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Spencer & Luka...good stuff.

People are thinking about masks all wrong. Have you seen all the choices now. They're for keeping dust out of your nose when 4 wheeling, making political statements, humor, wife (or favorite porn star) pics, can't see how many teeth you have, drool collectors, scent inhibitor for deer hunting, trend-setting fashion, and much more. I have a whole wardrobe closet full, but then again I've been a trend setter for years. Been social distancing and wearing holey jeans a long time.
Forgot to add, I think they even have latex masks to reduce STD transmission.
 
I'm a front line health care provider. I wear a mask and face shield the majority of every day at work. It's no big deal. In fact, I may be the dude you see driving down the street with a face mask on. It's second nature, I often forget to take it off (no texting though). However,
T8KUDWN makes a good point. Wearing a mask while in public places is very similar from refraining from texting and driving. Wearing a mask is not only about protecting yourself, it's about protecting others. Not just your loved ones, but the loved ones of others.

With Johnson County and counties in Iowa showing very high positive test rates at the moment. If we want to protect not only our own families but others as well, wearing a face mask, practicing good social distancing and washing hands/sanitizing is a very small sacrifice to make to protect the health of friends and families (even if they're not yours). If we all took these simple steps, Spencer would be back on the mat in the Black and Gold come wrestling season. However with the way many are acting, I feel like this is becoming more and more unlikely.

Let's all support Spencer, Luka and all our Hawkeye athletes and wear a mask.
 
Thank you for the insult. Your comment displays the verbal violence typical of people in the U.S. nowadays. Does anyone remember the days of civility and respect? Long gone.

You act like you aren't a contributor to this phenomenon. You posted about how you don't know anyone in a danger-zone category for COVID so you feel no need to be respectful to the vulnerabilities of others by not wearing a mask. That shows not just disrespect for other people in the sense of courtesy, but disrespect for the health of other people. So, please, don't lecture anyone on civility or respect until you start showing respect for the health of others by wearing a mask in public, observing social distance, and maintaining hygiene.
 
You act like you aren't a contributor to this phenomenon. You posted about how you don't know anyone in a danger-zone category for COVID so you feel no need to be respectful to the vulnerabilities of others by not wearing a mask. That shows not just disrespect for other people in the sense of courtesy, but disrespect for the health of other people. So, please, don't lecture anyone on civility or respect until you start showing respect for the health of others by wearing a mask in public, observing social distance, and maintaining hygiene.

I'll wait until you objectively review the data on state departments of health websites regarding Covid infections and deaths, then we can have an intelligent discussion. If you want, I'll provide you with links to those sites (New York City dept. of health also has a good website).
 
I don't wear a mask...and it won't make any difference for Luka or Spencer. They'll still work hard for what they want.

As for me?
My life. My choice. I'm healthy. Im not going live my life in hiding.

Just remember when you go to bed each night, that you are a contributing factor as to why this is going on for so long. I'm doing my part so we can have some normalcy in our lives.

You're healthy...I'm sure hundreds of thousands of COVID patients were healthy too. This statement is just completely ignorant.

Also, I am not "hiding" by any means. I'm smart enough to know why we are wearing them...#maskup
 
Just remember when you go to bed each night, that you are a contributing factor as to why this is going on for so long. I'm doing my part so we can have some normalcy in our lives.

You're healthy...I'm sure hundreds of thousands of COVID patients were healthy too. This statement is just completely ignorant.

Also, I am not "hiding" by any means. I'm smart enough to know why we are wearing them...#maskup

Do you wear your mask around every person you come across?
I will wait for your answer.
 
I'll wait until you objectively review the data on state departments of health websites regarding Covid infections and deaths, then we can have an intelligent discussion. If you want, I'll provide you with links to those sites (New York City dept. of health also has a good website).
Every public health official, including the president, is asking people to wear a mask in public. Do you think President Trump is lying to you? If so, why? What does he gain by you wearing a mask?
 
Yes, except my own family. When I am home, we don't sit by each other.

My wife and I are both teachers.

A) Thanks for being educators. Appreciate you all

B) you're OK with possibly exposing your family. Just remember, you're a contributing factor.
 
I'll wait until you objectively review the data on state departments of health websites regarding Covid infections and deaths, then we can have an intelligent discussion. If you want, I'll provide you with links to those sites (New York City dept. of health also has a good website).

Every developed country in the world is wearing masks right now to reduce the spread of the virus. People knew masks worked a century ago during the Spanish Flu. Why in the hell is this a political issue in America??
 
Every developed country in the world is wearing masks right now to reduce the spread of the virus. People knew masks worked a century ago during the Spanish Flu. Why in the hell is this a political issue in America??
The content of the messages doesn't really matter. There is a contingent in this country that simply hates being told what to do.

It reminds me of the thing with colloidal silver and libertarians a while back. It had less to do with them debating the safety of colloidal silver and more to with "you can't tell me not to turn myself blue, buddy."
 
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I don't wear a mask...and it won't make any difference for Luka or Spencer. They'll still work hard for what they want.

As for me?
My life. My choice. I'm healthy. Im not going live my life in hiding.
yeah, only problem there is I wear a mask to protect you and others and you only care about yourself. wish you would stay hidden!
 
I'll wait until you objectively review the data on state departments of health websites regarding Covid infections and deaths, then we can have an intelligent discussion. If you want, I'll provide you with links to those sites (New York City dept. of health also has a good website).

Stay strong bro. All of these people in here dog piling on you are cowards. They will never admit it to themselves, that’s why they always say some BS like “I’m wearing a mask to protect you.”

Everyone in here that jumped so enthusiastically onto team cuck muzzle knows deep down that they‘re just weak people. Easily manipulated followers that go along with whatever the rest of the crowd is doing.

The coward‘s mind is working so hard to convince himself that he’s not a pathetic weakling that nothing pisses him off more than seeing someone who is unafraid.
 
Every public health official, including the president, is asking people to wear a mask in public. Do you think President Trump is lying to you? If so, why? What does he gain by you wearing a mask?

It's not the wearing of a mask, per se, that I have an issue with, but rather the strategy/measures that were instituted at the outset, on a local, national and international level. Almost all resources should have been directed to those who really need protection, those who have compromised immune systems. Instead, decisions were made to lump everyone together, when in fact a very small percent of the population is at risk. Shutting down the whole world was not (in my opinion) the approach that should have been taken. Again, in my opinion, we all have one.
 
Every developed country in the world is wearing masks right now to reduce the spread of the virus. People knew masks worked a century ago during the Spanish Flu. Why in the hell is this a political issue in America??

Political? I don't get that. Wearing or not wearing a mask has absolutely nothing to do with my political beliefs. I would venture to say that if all 8 billion people in the world wore masks, people would still die from Covid.

Masks worked during the Spanish flu?? 50 million died!
 
Stay strong bro. All of these people in here dog piling on you are cowards. They will never admit it to themselves, that’s why they always say some BS like “I’m wearing a mask to protect you.”

Everyone in here that jumped so enthusiastically onto team cuck muzzle knows deep down that they‘re just weak people. Easily manipulated followers that go along with whatever the rest of the crowd is doing.

The coward‘s mind is working so hard to convince himself that he’s not a pathetic weakling that nothing pisses him off more than seeing someone who is unafraid.

Thanks for the encouragement! I sometimes utter "baaa baaa" (like a sheep) to people I encounter who appear to be doing something just because they're told to do it. Reminds me of a quote I came across years ago:

"I once complained to my father that I didn’t seem to be able to do things the same way other people did. Dad’s advice? “Don’t be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.”

However, nowadays that advice is flipped, because people want you to be a sheep, to believe and talk and act like they do, or else you're WRONG! and the hatred ensues.
 
What an AWFUL BURDEN it is to wear a mask, when it has been shown that wearing masks significantly cuts down on transmission of the virus TO or FROM others. It's mind-boggling that so many people consider this such an infringement on their liberty that they refuse to do this simple thing that may save their lives or the lives of others. In the absence of any condition that would somehow make it risky to wear a mask, the self-centered reasoning of these people is truly alarming and discouraging. To me, it demonstrates the weakness, pettiness and selfishness of these people.

To those who refuse to mask-up, I hope and pray that this narrow-minded attitude doesn't result in the infection or death of someone you love. If it does, dying on the hill of refusal to wear a mask as too much of an infringement on your liberty will feel pretty pathetic.
 
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It's not the wearing of a mask, per se, that I have an issue with, but rather the strategy/measures that were instituted at the outset, on a local, national and international level. Almost all resources should have been directed to those who really need protection, those who have compromised immune systems. Instead, decisions were made to lump everyone together, when in fact a very small percent of the population is at risk. Shutting down the whole world was not (in my opinion) the approach that should have been taken. Again, in my opinion, we all have one.

Wearing masks =\= shutting the world or shutting the economy down. In fact it has the exact opposite effect. Universal mask utilization, testing, and contact tracing allows everything to stay open and operate normally except you have to have a very small amount of discipline to be able to wear a mask without bitching that you're freedom is being infringed upon.

Too many Americans these days forget that the most important quality of a free society, is individual responsibility and accountability.
 
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Political? I don't get that. Wearing or not wearing a mask has absolutely nothing to do with my political beliefs. I would venture to say that if all 8 billion people in the world wore masks, people would still die from Covid.

Masks worked during the Spanish flu?? 50 million died!


If you haven't seen that masks have become highly politicized in America, your head is in the sand.

And what kind of reasoning is "people will still contract coronavirus and die even if everyone wears masks, therefore we shouldn't wear masks"? Do you have a high school diploma? This is an embarrassingly dumb statement.
 
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While we're throwing around sheep analogies, wouldn't a true sheepdog wear a mask to protect a flock of sheep, if it could?

Also, according to Nietzsche (Thus Spake Zarathustra), I understand it is empathy and pity (not cowardice) that prevent man from becoming Uberman.
 
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When early guidance did not advise the general public to wear mask, but some did, who was "the sheep" then?

According to Ayn Rand, one should never trade something of a personally higher morale value for a lower one. It seems individuals' decisions to wear of not wear a mask speak more to this.

Efforts to change another's value system are unlikely to succeed on a wrestling forum, especially when the other was inculcated as a youth to hold certain beliefs as core values.
 
Political? I don't get that. Wearing or not wearing a mask has absolutely nothing to do with my political beliefs. I would venture to say that if all 8 billion people in the world wore masks, people would still die from Covid
Masks worked during the Spanish flu?? 50 million died!

How dare you reference another disease.

That's sacrilegious
 
Stay strong bro. All of these people in here dog piling on you are cowards. They will never admit it to themselves, that’s why they always say some BS like “I’m wearing a mask to protect you.”

Everyone in here that jumped so enthusiastically onto team cuck muzzle knows deep down that they‘re just weak people. Easily manipulated followers that go along with whatever the rest of the crowd is doing.

The coward‘s mind is working so hard to convince himself that he’s not a pathetic weakling that nothing pisses him off more than seeing someone who is unafraid.

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Wearing masks =\= shutting the world or shutting the economy down. In fact it has the exact opposite effect. Universal mask utilization, testing, and contact tracing allows everything to stay open and operate normally except you have to have a very small amount of discipline to be able to wear a mask without bitching that you're freedom is being infringed upon.

Too many Americans these days forget that the most important quality of a free society, is individual responsibility and accountability.

First, I have said nothing about my "freedom" being infringed upon. Second, is your comment "the most important quality of a free society, is individual responsibility and accountability" simply your opinion, or based on some fact?

Apparently you slept through the past 6 months. So much was and continues to be shut down. That is why hundreds of millions of people have lost their jobs, why severe hunger issues are increasing, why economies are contracting at record rates, why many millions of businesses have had to (or soon will have to) permanently close, why suicide is on the rise, why people have illogically become germophobes, etc. etc.
 
If you haven't seen that masks have become highly politicized in America, your head is in the sand.

And what kind of reasoning is "people will still contract coronavirus and die even if everyone wears masks, therefore we shouldn't wear masks"? Do you have a high school diploma? This is an embarrassingly dumb statement.

So...Democrats wear masks and Republicans don't? I'm a registered Democrat, though my political views are all over the map, and I wear a mask only when I have no choice. Your comment about mask wearing being political is a gross generalization - for some people it is, for others it isn't.

You're right, I only have a third grade education and am extremely stupid. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone.
 
First, I have said nothing about my "freedom" being infringed upon. Second, is your comment "the most important quality of a free society, is individual responsibility and accountability" simply your opinion, or based on some fact?

Apparently you slept through the past 6 months. So much was and continues to be shut down. That is why hundreds of millions of people have lost their jobs, why severe hunger issues are increasing, why economies are contracting at record rates, why many millions of businesses have had to (or soon will have to) permanently close, why suicide is on the rise, why people have illogically become germophobes, etc. etc.
Mask usage is what makes it safer to open up the economy quicker. How is this so difficult for you to understand. The longer people just try to pretend this thing doesn't exist, the longer it will go on. Look at the rest of the world right now and look at us, and think about that for 10 seconds and reevaluate your position.
 
Thanks for the encouragement! I sometimes utter "baaa baaa" (like a sheep) to people I encounter who appear to be doing something just because they're told to do it. Reminds me of a quote I came across years ago:

"I once complained to my father that I didn’t seem to be able to do things the same way other people did. Dad’s advice? “Don’t be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.”

However, nowadays that advice is flipped, because people want you to be a sheep, to believe and talk and act like they do, or else you're WRONG! and the hatred ensues.
Beyond parody.
 
Stay strong bro. All of these people in here dog piling on you are cowards. They will never admit it to themselves, that’s why they always say some BS like “I’m wearing a mask to protect you.”

Everyone in here that jumped so enthusiastically onto team cuck muzzle knows deep down that they‘re just weak people. Easily manipulated followers that go along with whatever the rest of the crowd is doing.

The coward‘s mind is working so hard to convince himself that he’s not a pathetic weakling that nothing pisses him off more than seeing someone who is unafraid.


Are you the boogaloo boy who murdered a cop and shot others in Oakland to try to ignite a race war? Or was that just one of your friends? (Pence referred to this in his speech the other night, but implied it was protesters, and not a white supremacist.)
 
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Where the F are the mods around here? Start shutting these threads down the minute they turn political. I use to love checking this forum multiple times a day but it’s getting unbearable.
 
Mask usage is what makes it safer to open up the economy quicker. How is this so difficult for you to understand. The longer people just try to pretend this thing doesn't exist, the longer it will go on. Look at the rest of the world right now and look at us, and think about that for 10 seconds and reevaluate your position.

Mask use is not the panacea that most everyone makes it out to be. Case in point...for more than 5 months Argentina has been in the longest and one of the strictest quarantines/lock downs in the world, with extremely strict mask and social distancing rules, and the populace has abided by the rules. For 4 months the cases and deaths were very low, yet the past month has seen a very alarming spike in both cases and deaths. This has puzzled everyone. [Edit: I have no issue with people wearing masks - if they want to, fine. If they don't, that's fine too. If someone feels that my not wearing a mask is a threat to them, then they're welcome to protect themselves with a mask, simple as that].

Additionally, European countries that strictly followed the mask rules are now seeing a second spike, so masks are not the end-all. Only a vaccine will (partially) assuage the fears that people have.

Are you implying that I don't thing Covid exists, or that it's not a serious health threat for some people? I have NEVER stated nor implied that Covid doesn't exist, and it clearly IS a serious health threat for some people (but not the large majority). Also, your condescension in the last comment is not appreciated...as well as your implication that you are right and I am wrong, and I need to change my opinion to fit your's.
 
Mask use is not the panacea that most everyone makes it out to be. Case in point...for more than 5 months Argentina has been in the longest and one of the strictest quarantines/lock downs in the world, with extremely strict mask and social distancing rules, and the populace has abided by the rules. For 4 months the cases and deaths were very low, yet the past month has seen a very alarming spike in both cases and deaths. This has puzzled everyone. [Edit: I have no issue with people wearing masks - if they want to, fine. If they don't, that's fine too. If someone feels that my not wearing a mask is a threat to them, then they're welcome to protect themselves with a mask, simple as that].

Additionally, European countries that strictly followed the mask rules are now seeing a second spike, so masks are not the end-all. Only a vaccine will (partially) assuage the fears that people have.

Are you implying that I don't thing Covid exists, or that it's not a serious health threat for some people? I have NEVER stated nor implied that Covid doesn't exist, and it clearly IS a serious health threat for some people (but not the large majority). Also, your condescension in the last comment is not appreciated...as well as your implication that you are right and I am wrong, and I need to change my opinion to fit your's.


I recommend you do some more research on the efficacy of masks. You are reasoning that since Covid-19 is still circulating in countries that have mask mandates, that masks are thus ineffective at reducing the spread. How is that a logical conclusion? People also are killed in car crashes while wearing seat-belts. That obviously doesn't make seat belts pointless. I'm sure you can understand the concept of a range between two outcomes right? Universal mask usage and compliance is the most effective means we have at reducing the spread of Covid-19 while still continuing to live our lives and keep things open. That is the message that Spencer and Luka are trying to send and it seems to be going right over your head.

In regards to your point about people can wear masks if they want to be protected from you -- masks are most effective at preventing the infected person from spreading the virus to others through the projection of the infection particles while the person is talking. Masks do provide some protection to the wearer as well (in particular N-95 are most effective), but when both people are wearing masks, the risk of the virus spreading decreases drastically.

This info-graphic illustrates that point:

 
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The content of the messages doesn't really matter. There is a contingent in this country that simply hates being told what to do.

It reminds me of the thing with colloidal silver and libertarians a while back. It had less to do with them debating the safety of colloidal silver and more to with "you can't tell me not to turn myself blue, buddy."
That "contingent" is people with functioning brain matter who can think for themselves, regardless of topic. Maybe someday you'll have a similar ability and you can test the waters.
 
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I recommend you do some more research on the efficacy of masks. You are reasoning that since Covid-19 is still circulating in countries that have mask mandates, that masks are thus ineffective at reducing the spread. How is that a logical conclusion? People also are killed in car crashes while wearing seat-belts. That obviously doesn't make seat belts pointless. I'm sure you can understand the concept of a range between two outcomes right? Universal mask usage and compliance is the most effective means we have at reducing the spread of Covid-19 while still continuing to live our lives and keep things open. That is the message that Spencer and Luka are trying to send and it seems to be going right over your head.

In regards to your point about people can wear masks if they want to be protected from you -- masks are most effective at preventing the infected person from spreading the virus to others through the projection of the infection particles while the person is talking. Masks do provide some protection to the wearer as well (in particular N-95 are most effective), but when both people are wearing masks, the risk of the virus spreading decreases drastically.

This info-graphic illustrates that point:


Let's make a deal - I'll wear a mask 24/7, even while sleeping if you want, if you and everyone else stops using their cell phones while driving. Many thousands die every year from drivers using cell phones, yet nothing is done about it. If you think that the government should mandate mask wearing to protect the lives of everyone, why shouldn't you think the same about cell phone use while driving - it would save thousands of lives every year.
 
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Let's make a deal - I'll wear a mask 24/7, even while sleeping if you want, if you and everyone else stops using their cell phones while driving. Many thousands die every year from drivers using cell phones, yet nothing is done about it. If you think that the government should mandate mask wearing to protect the lives of everyone, why shouldn't you think the same about cell phone use while driving - it would save thousands of lives every year.

Almost every state has laws restricting the use of cell phones/texting while driving.


Why do you continue with the absurd reasoning?
 
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