Storm brewing for Little Rock (and 174 lbs bracket)

[johnyt9]

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Fantasy land but I wouldn't mind seeing something like this happen in the future:


Tagen Jamison weighs in, but does not make weight for 141. Oklahoma State now has the option to enter him at 149 (if they choose). In this presented scenario each team would also have the ability to have two guys weigh in at each weight (or at a predetermined amount of weights anyways).

If in this scenario Oklahoma State decides TJ is a better option than Travis at 149, they could still enter someone at 141 (assuming they had someone prepared to step up).

This still punishes a team by not allowing them their optimal lineup but doesn't completely decimate them and/or prevent someone like TJ from qualifying for NCAAs.

And hopefully prevents people from skirting weigh-in rules like altering underwear and trying to continue cutting weight while in line

 

[acuhawk]

Fantasy land but I wouldn't mind seeing something like this happen in the future:


Tagen Jamison weighs in, but does not make weight for 141. Oklahoma State now has the option to enter him at 149 (if they choose). In this presented scenario each team would also have the ability to have two guys weigh in at each weight (or at a predetermined amount of weights anyways).

If in this scenario Oklahoma State decides TJ is a better option than Travis at 149, they could still enter someone at 141 (assuming they had someone prepared to step up).

This still punishes a team by not allowing them their optimal lineup but doesn't completely decimate them and/or prevent someone like TJ from qualifying for NCAAs.

And hopefully prevents people from skirting weigh-in rules like altering underwear and trying to continue cutting weight while in line

No. That's a nightmare for brackets and everything else. it's a simple rule he should have been disqualified. I wonder if the coaches of other conferences are aware this happened?

 

[MilleGinja]

No. That's a nightmare for brackets and everything else. it's a simple rule he should have been disqualified. I wonder if the coaches of other conferences are aware this happened?

Yep. The not being in line at the right time is one thing. Because depending on how late a wrestler is, I think it’s okay to offer some leniency there. But leaving the line is different in my opinion.

 

[acuhawk]

Yep. The not being in line at the right time is one thing. Because depending on how late a wrestler is, I think it’s okay to offer some leniency there. But leaving the line is different in my opinion.

Honestly neither is ok. They all know skin checks are 15 minutes before, and all weight cutting activities must stop. Since it was weight cutting activities that caused him to be late it's DQ .

 

[WildTurk]

Really? I throw out hints all the time. Hell, I basically told every PSU fan out there that I am baiting them. If you think I am remotely as vested in ANY argument as Vodka was, you really haven't understood anything I have ever posted on here...

Edited to add: Here's the difference. I have FUN with the back and forth and actually enjoy some of the most ardent dissenting opinions. Most of the time, they put a big smile on my face. Meanwhile, I got the impression that Vodka took everything to heart and was constantly super offended on here.

This is FUN for me and I promise I take it WAY less seriously than nearly all that disagree with me on here!

Only a 3 paragraph response. I am impressed!

 

[SPOONER]

Fantasy land but I wouldn't mind seeing something like this happen in the future:


Tagen Jamison weighs in, but does not make weight for 141. Oklahoma State now has the option to enter him at 149 (if they choose). In this presented scenario each team would also have the ability to have two guys weigh in at each weight (or at a predetermined amount of weights anyways).

If in this scenario Oklahoma State decides TJ is a better option than Travis at 149, they could still enter someone at 141 (assuming they had someone prepared to step up).

This still punishes a team by not allowing them their optimal lineup but doesn't completely decimate them and/or prevent someone like TJ from qualifying for NCAAs.

And hopefully prevents people from skirting weigh-in rules like altering underwear and trying to continue cutting weight while in line

You and I have very, very different fantasies.

 

[johnyt9]

You and I have very, very different fantasies.

Haha I get that it won't happen and this system would be gamed big time. But I think it is interesting - no different than a basketball team changing their lineup around etc.

Whatever bad idea I get

 

[TNTwrestle]

Really? I throw out hints all the time. Hell, I basically told every PSU fan out there that I am baiting them. If you think I am remotely as vested in ANY argument as Vodka was, you really haven't understood anything I have ever posted on here...

Edited to add: Here's the difference. I have FUN with the back and forth and actually enjoy some of the most ardent dissenting opinions. Most of the time, they put a big smile on my face. Meanwhile, I got the impression that Vodka took everything to heart and was constantly super offended on here.

This is FUN for me and I promise I take it WAY less seriously than nearly all that disagree with me on here!

It is the way of his people. He coiuldn't help it. I will not elaborate.

 

[MilleGinja]

It is the way of his people. He coiuldn't help it. I will not elaborate.

Wildlings?

 

[MSU158]

Only a 3 paragraph response. I am impressed!

Come stand next to me when I use the facilities. THEN you will be impressed!

 

[MilleGinja]

Come stand next to me when I use the facilities. THEN you will be impressed!

/thread

 

[jmadden1998]

Come stand next to me when I use the facilities. THEN you will be impressed!

 

[WildTurk]

Come stand next to me when I use the facilities. THEN you will be impressed!

And the wink aswell? Dude

 

[MSU158]

And the wink aswell? Dude

Remember, how you picture me as way too vested in my posts…😉

 

[tigerhawk2015]

It is the way of his people. He coiuldn't help it. I will not elaborate.

Don’t worry he will!!!🤣🤣

 

[el dub]

Haha I get that it won't happen and this system would be gamed big time. But I think it is interesting - no different than a basketball team changing their lineup around etc.

Whatever bad idea I get

Still not sure if you, “get it,” Johny…..

 

[TarpHawk]

The eligibility infraction is cut and dried. You can't wrestle if you don't have eligibility. There is no rational counter argument.

The weigh-in debacle is more nuanced because on a scale of 1-10 it is a 2 in severity. The rule is to ensure a timely and orderly weigh-in. But the punishment is a 10.

One could argue that it is an arcane rule that an average wrestler or even coach could not be reasonably expected to be aware of. The wrestlers were not aware of it, and they broke it unintentionally. Their punishment should be a 2 in severity, whatever that would mean.

But I made the same argument with the gambling debacle. I thought that was a 2 in severity as well.

 

[Bogiyev]

The eligibility infraction is cut and dried. You can't wrestle if you don't have eligibility. There is no rational counter argument.

The weigh-in debacle is more nuanced because on a scale of 1-10 it is a 2 in severity. The rule is to ensure a timely and orderly weigh-in. But the punishment is a 10.

One could argue that it is an arcane rule that an average wrestler or even coach could not be reasonably expected to be aware of. The wrestlers were not aware of it, and they broke it unintentionally. Their punishment should be a 2 in severity, whatever that would mean.

But I made the same argument with the gambling debacle. I thought that was a 2 in severity as well.

Every wrestler and coach is aware of the weigh-in rules. The rule was implemented about the same time as a lot of "new" weight management initiatives (hydration test, body comp test, decent plan, etc.). Same rules apply in high school and college.

 

[MSU158]

Don’t worry he will!!!🤣🤣

Pretty sure you missed who he was referring to…

 

[acuhawk]

One could argue that it is an arcane rule that an average wrestler or even coach could not be reasonably expected to be aware of. The wrestlers were not aware of it, and they broke it unintentionally.

Every coach and athlete should know. No way David Taylor wouldn't know this.

 

[crossfacecradle]

Yep. The not being in line at the right time is one thing. Because depending on how late a wrestler is, I think it’s okay to offer some leniency there. But leaving the line is different in my opinion.

Yeah, we let people off for minor things like a little gambling all the time.

 

[MSU158]

Yeah, we let people off for minor things like a little gambling all the time.

Who is we? I am pretty sure Iowa lost several wrestlers for an entire season for it. Not sure who got let off…

 

[crossfacecradle]

Who is we? I am pretty sure Iowa lost several wrestlers for an entire season for it. Not sure who got let off…

/s

 

[smalls103]

The eligibility infraction is cut and dried. You can't wrestle if you don't have eligibility. There is no rational counter argument.

The weigh-in debacle is more nuanced.

it's really not.

you can't work out when skin checks start.

and you can't alter your underwear.

it's black and white and everyone in the weigh in area knew it. the head ref literally DQ'd them.

between this and the Brennan thing it's no rule season. so ridiculous.

 

[el dub]

it's really not.

you can't work out when skin checks start.

and you can't alter your underwear.

it's black and white and everyone in the weigh in area knew it. the head ref literally DQ'd them.

between this and the Brennan thing it's no rule season. so ridiculous.

Underwear-gate?

 

[smalls103]

Panty Raider Open

 

[LutherAce]

Panty Raider Open

 

[west2east]

John Smith and Chad Richison have been rumored as being involved in the discussions in the aftermath which is the craziest part of it all to me

 

[TarpHawk]

it's really not.

you can't work out when skin checks start.

and you can't alter your underwear.

it's black and white and everyone in the weigh in area knew it. the head ref literally DQ'd them.

between this and the Brennan thing it's no rule season. so ridiculous.

1. Do you think the wrestlers knew of the rule but were purposely breaking it because they were still trying to make weight? Have they made any public comments? What was their excuse?

2. Who overturned the decision and on what basis? If it's black and white, what was the rationale?

3. Has anyone ever been DQ'd for altering their underwear? What does that even mean? Putting a banana in it? Drawing a smiley face on it?

 

[SPOONER]

3. Has anyone ever been DQ'd for altering their underwear? What does that even mean? Putting a banana in it?

If that’s illegal then I should be in jail.

 

[mcpat]

1. Do you think the wrestlers knew of the rule but were purposely breaking it because they were still trying to make weight? Have they made any public comments? What was their excuse?

2. Who overturned the decision and on what basis? If it's black and white, what was the rationale?

3. Has anyone ever been DQ'd for altering their underwear? What does that even mean? Putting a banana in it? Drawing a smiley face on it?

On FRL it was said the waistband was cut out.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Every coach and athlete should know. No way David Taylor wouldn't know this.

The same rules apply to high school as well. They all know the rules, this isnt something new.

 

[Bones Malone]

It’s been a very long time since I wrestled but I always thought underwear was optional at weigh-ins. Is it was a requirement?

 

[OILCHECKER]

It’s been a very long time since I wrestled but I always thought underwear was optional at weigh-ins. Is it was a requirement?

Used to be able to weigh in naked or just in your underwear or in a singlet with no underwear or in whatever you wanted. That changed to having to weigh in in a competition singlet and undergarment.

 

[el dub]

1. Do you think the wrestlers knew of the rule but were purposely breaking it because they were still trying to make weight? Have they made any public comments? What was their excuse?

2. Who overturned the decision and on what basis? If it's black and white, what was the rationale?

3. Has anyone ever been DQ'd for altering their underwear? What does that even mean? Putting a banana in it? Drawing a smiley face on it?

It sounds to me like they knew they weren’t going to make weight and this is the length they went to in an effort to have more time, imo. I’m guessing the coaches knew about the situation as well.

 

[AFHawk86]

Used to be able to weigh in naked or just in your underwear or in a singlet with no underwear or in whatever you wanted. That changed to having to weigh in in a competition singlet and undergarment.

I didn’t realize this. So basically wrestlers have to weigh in “under” weight to account for the mandatory garments.

On a side note, I recall standing on my head a time or two immediately before weigh in because it could take off up to a couple tenths by some mysterious science. Somehow it worked.

 

[sdvike]

I didn’t realize this. So basically wrestlers have to weigh in “under” weight to account for the mandatory garments.

On a side note, I recall standing on my head a time or two immediately before weigh in because it could take off up to a couple tenths by some mysterious science. Somehow it worked.

You may have been bamboozled for your teammates entertainment.

 

[MilleGinja]

You may have been bamboozled for your teammates entertainment.

can’t argue with results!

 

[ferentzin04]

I didn’t realize this. So basically wrestlers have to weigh in “under” weight to account for the mandatory garments.

On a side note, I recall standing on my head a time or two immediately before weigh in because it could take off up to a couple tenths by some mysterious science. Somehow it worked.

I have to think they set the scale to account for the weight of the mandatory garments. Hence the rule against altering them in any way.

 

[AFHawk86]

You may have been bamboozled for your teammates entertainment.

All I know is it worked, but only on the electronic scales IIRC. I made weight that way multiple times after being over moments before standing on my head.