The real patient zero? Three Wuhan lab scientists genetically altering Covid were the FIRST to contract the virus, claims report

[tarheelbybirth]

The only thing that would qualify as a “smoking gun” would be a wild population carrying Covid-19. And that would be immediately dismissed by the lab accident crowd claiming they could have been infected by exposure to infected humans - and they’d be right. What’s absolutely certain is that all of the circumstantial evidence points to the wet market and a jump from animals to humans. All of it.

 

[bunsen82]

The only thing that would qualify as a “smoking gun” would be a wild population carrying Covid-19. And that would be immediately dismissed by the lab accident crowd claiming they could have been infected by exposure to infected humans - and they’d be right. What’s absolutely certain is that all of the circumstantial evidence points to the wet market and a jump from animals to humans. All of it.

I fully agree. The only ones that disagree, seem to be some of those on the right that want this to be a lab leak, because it makes China look bad, it makes Fauci look bad, it makes the scientists and reporting look bad. I would really like to know what the energy dept and FBI would have that would even make them question it is a lab leak, unless it is just politicization which is definitely possible.

 

[BustingNarratives]

Some additional detail on the three lab scientists … one was U.S. funded …all three worked on coronaviruses.

Today from the WSJ …

U.S.-Funded Scientist Among Three Chinese Researchers Who Fell Ill Amid Early Covid-19 Outbreak

The identification of the researchers linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology is fueling suspicion for proponents of the lab-leak theory.

www.wsj.com

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Some additional detail on the three lab scientists … one was U.S. funded …all three worked on coronaviruses.

Today from the WSJ …

U.S.-Funded Scientist Among Three Chinese Researchers Who Fell Ill Amid Early Covid-19 Outbreak

The identification of the researchers linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology is fueling suspicion for proponents of the lab-leak theory.

www.wsj.com

Is there any evidence that anyone at the hospital got sick? Is there any evidence that these researchers passed it to any family members? Is there any evidence that any of them had any ties to the market?

There is absolutely no way you could put three Covid patients in a US hospital prior to knowing this was a novel disease and not passed it on. Without some evidence that this was Covid - and the evidence seems to suggest it wasn’t - this isn’t very meaningful.

 

[BustingNarratives]

Is there any evidence that anyone at the hospital got sick? Is there any evidence that these researchers passed it to any family members? Is there any evidence that any of them had any ties to the market?

There is absolutely no way you could put three Covid patients in a US hospital prior to knowing this was a novel disease and not passed it on. Without some evidence that this was Covid - and the evidence seems to suggest it wasn’t - this isn’t very meaningful.

All valid questions but we will probably never get an answer from China on those because they refuse to cooperate with the international community on the origins.

 

[Joes Place]

Some additional detail on the three lab scientists … one was U.S. funded …all three worked on coronaviruses.

Today from the WSJ …

U.S.-Funded Scientist Among Three Chinese Researchers Who Fell Ill Amid Early Covid-19 Outbreak

The identification of the researchers linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology is fueling suspicion for proponents of the lab-leak theory.

www.wsj.com

The researchers’ names were noted last week in an article in Public, which publishes on the Substack platform, and were independently confirmed by the Journal.

So, yet again: we are flooding the zone with BS, from a single source.

 

[Joes Place]

Is there any evidence that anyone at the hospital got sick? Is there any evidence that these researchers passed it to any family members? Is there any evidence that any of them had any ties to the market?

There is absolutely no way you could put three Covid patients in a US hospital prior to knowing this was a novel disease and not passed it on. Without some evidence that this was Covid - and the evidence seems to suggest it wasn’t - this isn’t very meaningful.

WSJ lazily just quoted Tiabbi's nonsense. Did not verify anything, except some names.

This is how we "flood the zone".

 

[BustingNarratives]

The researchers’ names were noted last week in an article in Public, which publishes on the Substack platform, and were independently confirmed by the Journal.

So, yet again: we are flooding the zone with BS, from a single source.

This WSJ article added some great context though about the funding in the second half of the article. That is not “BS” … follow the money.

 

[Joes Place]

This WSJ article added some great context

It added nothing in addition to Tiabbi's innuendo and speculation.

 

[Joes Place]

This WSJ article added some great context

Dr Danielle Anderson, an Australian scientist, was on secondment at the Wuhan lab until November 2019, when Covid is thought to have started spreading in the city. At the time, none of her colleagues displayed any coronavirus-like symptoms, she says.

“We went to dinners together, lunches, we saw each other outside of the lab,” Dr Anderson told Bloomberg in an interview from 2021.

The virologist also confirmed to The Telegraph that she had attended a conference on the Nipah virus in Singapore, in December 2019, alongside Dr Zhengli Shi, the senior scientist at the Wuhan lab and “many other” researchers from the WIV. Colleagues say if there had been a leak and three of her juniors were ill she would not have been there.

“There was no chatter,” Dr Anderson said. “Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here.”

 

[BustingNarratives]

WSJ lazily just quoted Tiabbi's nonsense. Did not verify anything, except some names.

This is how we "flood the zone".

That’s rich. You, Chis, Ciggy, Tommy and a few others flood the zone here everyday. Check your post counts.

 

[bunsen82]

That’s rich. You, Chis, Ciggy, Tommy and a few others flood the zone here everyday. Check your post counts.

You have 3 scientists who may or may not have been sick and got care at a hospital. You have another scientist disputing all of it and she is not even from China. If these 3 were ground zero there would be spokes coming from contacts from the lab. They are not. Not a single case can be tied back to the lab beyond 3 people who supposedly had flu like symptoms.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Someone doesn’t remember the economic, educational, mental, social and political harm those shutdowns did to the country.

Please dear baby Jesus.....

 

[SA_Hawk]

You have 3 scientists who may or may not have been sick and got care at a hospital. You have another scientist disputing all of it and she is not even from China. If these 3 were ground zero there would be spokes coming from contacts from the lab. They are not. Not a single case can be tied back to the lab beyond 3 people who supposedly had flu like symptoms.

That’s assuming the Chinese Communist government is being truthful and transparent which they are not.

 

[timinatoria]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I’m not reading seven pages of this shit, I just hope it’s true so we can say Hu, Yu and Zhu from the Wu started it. It has a nice ring to it.

 

[Joes Place]

That’s rich.

You got caught.

 

[Joes Place]

You have 3 scientists who may or may not have been sick and got care at a hospital. You have another scientist disputing all of it and she is not even from China.

She "disputed it" in 2021, in statements to another newspaper.

So, it's not like anyone was "responding" here. Tiabbi just did really really poor investigative work, and didn't actually check any of his sources (again).

 

[BustingNarratives]

You got caught.

You got taught. Flood the zone Joe …flood the zone.

 

[Joes Place]

You got taught.

Taught what? More lies?

Tiabbi didn't vet his sources; missed the Australian researcher who was at meetings with Wuhan scientists during the timeframe he claims they were all "ill".

 

[BustingNarratives]

Taught what? More lies?

Tiabbi didn't vet his sources; missed the Australian researcher who was at meetings with Wuhan scientists during the timeframe he claims they were all "ill".

I will take Matt Tiabbi’s word over a message board hack who floods the zone with misinformation and has a user name coined from a shitty bar in IC.

 

[Joes Place]

I will take Matt Tiabbi’s word

I'm sure you will.

And you'll be duped, again. Just like the Twitter Files escapade, when Twitter's own lawyers blew up his who "investigative" piece in court.

 

[bunsen82]

That’s assuming the Chinese Communist government is being truthful and transparent which they are not.

So we can just make up points of contact or information if it doesn't fit our opinion? I agree they are not forthcoming, the oddity of it is that it started in a wet market where there are live animals that would have been capable of carrying carona virus. I guess I take 1 +1 =2. Unless you have info to dispute this information this is the most likely scenario.

 

[SA_Hawk]

So we can just make up points of contact or information if it doesn't fit our opinion? I agree they are not forthcoming, the oddity of it is that it started in a wet market where there are live animals that would have been capable of carrying carona virus. I guess I take 1 +1 =2. Unless you have info to dispute this information this is the most likely scenario.

If those animals were the source wouldn’t it have been easy to fan out to where they live and find huge reservoirs of the virus spreading actively in those animal populations?

Because the coronavirus lab in Wuhan studying live coronavirus couldn’t possibly be the source.

 

[bunsen82]

If those animals were the source wouldn’t it have been easy to fan out to where they live and find huge reservoirs of the virus spreading actively in those animal populations?

Because the coronavirus lab in Wuhan studying live coronavirus couldn’t possibly be the source.

Wouldn't it be easy to track down where ebola came from, not once, not twice but 34 times. How about another pandemic that took 15 years to discover the animal from which it came.

 

[IaHawk44]

They clearly both deserve scrutiny. And I think some people are focusing at times at Fauci because as someone from medical field, many didn't expect he would be anything but honest with the American people. Which in many cases, he was not .

I think most people just assume Trump was full of s--t and concerned most with self interests. That is why people were most surprised with Trump when RBG died and he said something that seemed non scripted and appropriate

What did Fauci lie about? Masks? Those attacking Fauci are pretty much those who excuse Trump for purposely downplaying Covid. Comparing Fauci with Trump takes a special kind of idiocy.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

What did Fauci lie about? Masks? Those attacking Fauci are pretty much those who excuse Trump for purposely downplaying Covid. Comparing Fauci with Trump takes a special kind of idiocy.

I'll miss some but here's some of the most egregious -
This couldn't have come from a lab, when it's likely it did.
That he didn't call for shutting down the country and schools when he did.
That nih wasn't funding any covid manipulating labs in Wuhan when they were.
That masks don't work, then they do.
That asymptomatic spread won't drive transmission but then it apparently did.
That the vax would stop transmission and prevent you from catching the virus when it did neither.
That 15 days would slow the spread when it didn't.
That the unvaxxed were driving transmission when it was everyone.
When 60% of the population is vaxxed herd immunity would be achieved. Then he changed it to 85% later.
That natural immunity offers little protection.
So yeah he either lied or was wrong about pretty much everything.
But at least pfizer made hundreds of billions.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendations for fully vaccinated individuals that vaccinated people become “dead ends” for COVID-19.

 

[Joes Place]

I'll miss some but here's some of the most egregious -
This couldn't have come from a lab, when it's likely it did.
That he didn't call for shutting down the country and schools when he did.
That nih wasn't funding any covid manipulating labs in Wuhan when they were.
That masks don't work, then they do.
That asymptomatic spread won't drive transmission but then it apparently did.
That the vax would stop transmission and prevent you from catching the virus when it did neither.
That 15 days would slow the spread when it didn't.
That the unvaxxed were driving transmission when it was everyone.
When 60% of the population is vaxxed herd immunity would be achieved. Then he changed it to 85% later.
That natural immunity offers little protection.
So yeah he either lied or was wrong about pretty much everything.
But at least pfizer made hundreds of billions.

Fauci didn't make those claims.

You're reading too much MAGA disinformation.

E.g. 15 days DID slow the spread. Exactly what happened back in March/April 2020.
Herd immunity was never assumed to be at "60%"; not with a virus that has such a high R0.

 

[bdg8]

What did Fauci lie about? Masks? Those attacking Fauci are pretty much those who excuse Trump for purposely downplaying Covid. Comparing Fauci with Trump takes a special kind of idiocy.

So making it seem like Covid was from nature wasn’t lying?

So lying about vaccination rates to encourage more people to the vaccine wasn’t lying

So saying the US didn’t fund gain of research in any form wasn’t lying

You are right you can’t compare Trump and Fauci. We all knew and expected Trump to be full of shit. It was just a surprise to see it from our scientific community as well

 

[Joes Place]

So making it seem like Covid was from nature wasn’t lying?

It was "from nature"; that's the most accepted explanation, to date. Whether you agree with that assessment, or not.

So lying about vaccination rates to encourage more people to the vaccine wasn’t lying

What "lying" about "vaccination rates"?

US policy was to NOT allow GOF research. Fauci confirmed that.

 

[Hawk_82]

It was "from nature"; that's the most accepted explanation, to date. Whether you agree with that assessment, or not.


What "lying" about "vaccination rates"?

US policy was to NOT allow GOF research. Fauci confirmed that.

What evidence do you have that links this to coming from nature? Please list them out so we know what facts we are working with.

 

[Joes Place]

What evidence do you have that links this to coming from nature?

Posted them, many times. You can find lots of peer-reviewed science on the topic, too. Try Google, and learn something.

 

[Hawk_82]

Posted them, many times. You can find lots of peer-reviewed science on the topic, too. Try Google, and learn something.

I have reviewed it, i know the evidence. So give a recap. I want to know what evidence helped you form your opinion.

 

[Joes Place]

I have reviewed it

You haven't "reviewed" shit. You're woefully uneducated on the topic, and probably have the science education of a 5th grader.

 

[Joes Place]

U.S. intel assessment just posted:

— no confirmed link between sick Wuhan researchers and covid
— no confirmed biosafety incident at Wuhan lab in 2019
— no SARS-Cov-2 at lab before Dec 2019


And no more clarity on origins.

 

[IaHawk44]

I'll miss some but here's some of the most egregious -
This couldn't have come from a lab, when it's likely it did.
That he didn't call for shutting down the country and schools when he did.
That nih wasn't funding any covid manipulating labs in Wuhan when they were.
That masks don't work, then they do.
That asymptomatic spread won't drive transmission but then it apparently did.
That the vax would stop transmission and prevent you from catching the virus when it did neither.
That 15 days would slow the spread when it didn't.
That the unvaxxed were driving transmission when it was everyone.
When 60% of the population is vaxxed herd immunity would be achieved. Then he changed it to 85% later.
That natural immunity offers little protection.
So yeah he either lied or was wrong about pretty much everything.
But at least pfizer made hundreds of billions.

Lmao - you're just another whiner loaded with right wing bullshit misinformation and SPECULATION.

Covid was a novel virus, they didn't know much about it at all and most of your whining doesn't even take that into consideration. It's funny those who doubt science always expects it to be perfect. As if.

Correcting Misinformation About Dr. Fauci - FactCheck.org

Dr. Anthony Fauci has announced that in December he will step down from his positions as chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden and as head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and its laboratory of immunoregulation. Here are some of the false and misleading claims...

www.factcheck.org

Fact Check - There is No "Fauci Coverup" - Andersen Lab

An in-depth Fact Check performed by researchers at FactCheck.org investigated the conspiracy theory put forward by several individuals, including politicians, that Dr. Anthony Fauci gave scientists, including Dr. Andersen, grants worth $9 million to alter the scientific narrative on how the...

andersen-lab.com

Fact Check - There is No "Fauci Coverup" - Andersen Lab

An in-depth Fact Check performed by researchers at FactCheck.org investigated the conspiracy theory put forward by several individuals, including politicians, that Dr. Anthony Fauci gave scientists, including Dr. Andersen, grants worth $9 million to alter the scientific narrative on how the...

andersen-lab.com

 

[IaHawk44]

So making it seem like Covid was from nature wasn’t lying?

So lying about vaccination rates to encourage more people to the vaccine wasn’t lying

So saying the US didn’t fund gain of research in any form wasn’t lying

You are right you can’t compare Trump and Fauci. We all knew and expected Trump to be full of shit. It was just a surprise to see it from our scientific community as well

Covid was a novel virus and they weren't sure of it's origin. It can't be a lie if THEY DIDN'T KNOW.

Trump wasn't just full of shit - that's excusing what he intentionally did too easily - what he did is called manslaughter.

 

[Pete Malloy]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump was right, “again”.

 

[Hawk_82]

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U.S. intel assessment just posted:

— no confirmed link between sick Wuhan researchers and covid
— no confirmed biosafety incident at Wuhan lab in 2019
— no SARS-Cov-2 at lab before Dec 2019


And no more clarity on origins.

Evidence supporting a lab leak:
- wiv scientists find Coronavirus in a cave in 2012 that turned out to be the only known sample that was 96% similar to covid - check
- wiv was the top lab for studying Coronaviruses world wide- check
- wiv has published research of gain of function research on chimeric viruses - check
- US gov confirmed research was being done where genetically you could not tell gain of function was performed - check
- US gov confirmed 3 wiv scientists got sick in fall of 2019 with covid like symptoms - check
- documented proof that the spread started at the wet market which was 17 miles away from wiv - check
- wiv required "routine cleaning of air ducts" in early jan 20 - check
- China refused to allow independent investigation into the lab leak theory - check
- accidental infections in labs have caused previous outbreaks in China- check
- Big gates was a big funder for gain of function research on coronaviruses - check
- Bill Gates and the WEF host event 201 just months before covid 19 hits where they discuss a coronavirus will be the cause of the next pandemic.

Evidence supporting natural origin
- Most previous transmission came from nature
- animal samples taken 2 weeks after humans contracted the virus are positive in the wet market

Your probably right though, it's just a coincidence that all this stuff happened in Wuhan. The only logical conclusion is that a bat from a long ways away flew to the Wuhan market, infected people and they flew away without leaving a trace.

 

[Joes Place]

Evidence supporting a lab leak:

Just admit it:

Tiabbi pushed a false narrative, which got picked up by multiple media sources who just kept repeating it.

Now, the actual info has come out, and confirms that this was all "speculation" - which is what I'd already explained to you based upon other sources who were with Wuhan scientists at the time.

Instead of being skeptical of Tiabbi (after his Twitter Files Boondoggle), you went "all in". And now you look foolish.