The real patient zero? Three Wuhan lab scientists genetically altering Covid were the FIRST to contract the virus, claims report

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Car-go]

Weird. Trump was right again

 

[bdg8]

Weird. Trump was right again

That is going to be great come election time. He was right on lab theory and he was right for calling Fauci out at times

Just super

 

[anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r]

Daily Mail, seems legit..

 

[Joes Place]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Probably just Matt Tiabbi again....

 

[ironside1]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You bring a tabloid as proof?

 

[Joes Place]

You bring a tabloid as proof?

Yup

Written by the guy who brought us The Twitter Files.

Which was debunked by Twitter's own lawyers, in court.

 

[TennNole17]

John Stewart agrees

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

You bring a tabloid as proof?

The London Times is by subscription…wanted to use their article.

What really went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted

Scientists in Wuhan working alongside the Chinese military were combining the world’s most deadly coronaviruses to create a new mutant virus just as the pandemi

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[BustingNarratives]

Always interesting to see the lab-leak deniers squirm and double down once again. They were wrong on so many counts.

 

[tumorboy]

Weird. Trump was right again

 

[Joes Place]

The London Times is by subscription…wanted to use their article.

What really went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted

Scientists in Wuhan working alongside the Chinese military were combining the world’s most deadly coronaviruses to create a new mutant virus just as the pandemi

www.thetimes.co.uk

Separate analysis shows the centre of the initial outbreak of Covid-19, which has killed more than seven million people, was close to the institute’s laboratory, rather than at the city’s “wet” wildlife market as had been thought.

Where is this "separate analysis"?

That is a statement with no citation, or map or anything to back it up.
Other analysis of the early cases clearly shows most of them near the markets.

 

[desihawk]

Always interesting to see the lab-leak deniers squirm and double down once again. They were wrong on so many counts.

this is something that has always puzzled me as well

regarding the article though i wonder if it’s a spoof with names ben who, ping you, and yan zhu…only last sounds legit.

 

[Scruddy]

Your tax dollars at work

 

[Joes Place]

this is something that has always puzzled me as well

regarding the article though i wonder if it’s a spoof with names ben who, ping you, and yan zhu…only last sounds legit.

It's called "evidence"

And speculation is not evidence.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Always interesting to see the lab-leak deniers squirm and double down once again. They were wrong on so many counts.

Of course the latest in our procession of wrongs on this topic was the raccoon dog explanation the anti lab leakers so eagerly glommed on to.

 

[Joes Place]

Of course the latest in our procession of wrongs on this topic was the raccoon dog explanation the anti lab leakers so eagerly glommed on to.

That was one direction the actual "evidence" led.

This Times article does not present ANY new evidence.
It cites unsubstantiated claims and reports that no one can access.

We have maps of the early outbreak, with most of the early cases in the Wet Market

If these new investigations have OTHER data, the proper approach here is to publish them and OVERLAY their new data with that, so we can compare it.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Of course the latest in our procession of wrongs on this topic was the raccoon dog explanation the anti lab leakers so eagerly glommed on to.

Unfortunately the politics of Covid make it difficult to have reasonable convyabout it…much better now though. During the pandemic it got pretty ridiculous

 

[Colonoscopy]

That was one direction the actual "evidence" led.

This Times article does not present ANY new evidence.
It cites unsubstantiated claims and reports that no one can access.

We have maps of the early outbreak, with most of the early cases in the Wet Market

If these new investigations have OTHER data, the proper approach here is to publish them and OVERLAY their new data with that, so we can compare it.

What times article? The article shared?... Very interesting, we'll see soon enough if there are anything to these claims. IMO, any of this government intelligence stuff eventually leaks or is shared.

My point with the raccoon dog stuff is that everyone is playing the same game. Pick a side on the topic and eagerly promote any bit of evidence that might support your position.

Naturally people get carried away.

 

[Joes Place]

Unfortunately the politics of Covid make it difficult to have reasonable convyabout it

Really?

How is asking for the "new evidence" laid out in comparison to the "existing evidence" NOT having a convo?

The Times article provides none of this and does not cite specifics on sourcing.

 

[Joes Place]

What times article?

You readin' the same thread I am, Homes?

 

[gamedayron01]

Yup

Written by the guy who brought us The Twitter Files.

Which was debunked by Twitter's own lawyers, in court.

Tabbi used to be good but now he’s because a total hack.

 

[Rudedolph]

Probably just a coincidence....

Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.

Three Wuhan lab scientists may have been FIRST to contract the virus

According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Any of them trans female athletes?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Any of them trans female athletes?

Chinese aren’t down with that Rudy so I’d say no….

 

[gamedayron01]

Unfortunately the politics of Covid make it difficult to have reasonable convyabout it…much better now though. During the pandemic it got pretty ridiculous

You sided with the right wing and said it was a hoax. Don’t act like you didn’t,

 

[Rudedolph]

Chinese aren’t down with that Rudy so I’d say no….

Okay then well then boring

 

[Colonoscopy]

Weird. Trump was right again

Trump was bull shitting at the time like he always does. That doesn't preclude the possibility of him being proven correct in time, but obviously his argument was not supported by the strength of the evidence available at the time. And so he gets no credit.

 

[desihawk]

Trump was bull shitting at the time like he always does. That doesn't preclude the possibility of him being proven correct in time, but obviously his argument was not supported by the strength of the evidence available at the time. And so he gets no credit.

afaik tangible evidence doesn’t exist for any explanation. it’s strength of circumstantial evidence only and the preponderance is in one direction

 

[BustingNarratives]

That was one direction the actual "evidence" led.

This Times article does not present ANY new evidence.
It cites unsubstantiated claims and reports that no one can access.

We have maps of the early outbreak, with most of the early cases in the Wet Market

If these new investigations have OTHER data, the proper approach here is to publish them and OVERLAY their new data with that, so we can compare it.

Your “maps of the early outbreak” were a bunch of dots the CCP put out there to deflect. If you are that gullible to believe any of their “data“you are not being objective. They did everything they could to blow smoke up the world’s ass and they continue to do that as we speak.

 

[Colonoscopy]

More food for thought https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65708746.amp

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Your “maps of the early outbreak” were a bunch of dots the CCP put out there to deflect. If you are that gullible to believe any of their “data“you are not being objective. They did everything the could to blow smoke up the world’s ass and they continue to do that as we speak.

Well you’re obviously a true believer in this most recent take. You sure showed those that thought otherwise I guess. Well at least until another article with slim to no evidence says differently.

Let’s suppose you’re right, then what’s next? How does any of this change anything other than being able to say I told you so? Is that the payoff you’re seeking? Seems pointless to me.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Let’s suppose you’re right, then what’s next? How does any of this change anything other than being able to say I told you so? Is that the payoff you’re seeking? Seems pointless to me.

it’s pointless to nail down the origin?

 

[coloradonoles]

That was one direction the actual "evidence" led.

This Times article does not present ANY new evidence.
It cites unsubstantiated claims and reports that no one can access.

We have maps of the early outbreak, with most of the early cases in the Wet Market

If these new investigations have OTHER data, the proper approach here is to publish them and OVERLAY their new data with that, so we can compare it.

Who is this we??? Were you on the investigation team?

Your hypothesis is that a novel coronavirus just happened to mutate into a deadly virus in the same exact location where they were doing gain of function research on coronaviruses?? And there are less than 10 of these labs in the whole world??

Thats the mother of all coincidences...

Clown.

 

[desihawk]

…

Let’s suppose you’re right, then what’s next? How does any of this change anything other than being able to say I told you so? Is that the payoff you’re seeking? Seems pointless to me.

not speaking for the poster you were responding to. but this is a zero partisanship type issue and there should be no i told you so type crap. the findings should be used to inform our approach in dealing with china and that seems to be the one topic on which there is baseline consensus at the voter level on both sides

 

[BustingNarratives]

Well you’re obviously a true believer in this most recent take. You sure showed those that thought otherwise I guess. Well at least until another article with slim to no evidence says differently.

Let’s suppose you’re right, then what’s next? How does any of this change anything other than being able to say I told you so? Is that the payoff you’re seeking? Seems pointless to me.

To start, how about holding them accountable for the millions who died and covering some of the damages they created?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

it’s pointless to nail down the origin?

Yeah, pretty much at this point. What will change in the present day knowing it somehow escaped a laboratory vs. zoonotic origin? What’s the fallout besides an organized worldwide scolding of the incompetence exhibited?

 

[Chishawk1425]

That is going to be great come election time. He was right on lab theory and he was right for calling Fauci out at times

Just super

Lol. The Democratic hoax against him? This guy?!

 

[Joes Place]

Your “maps of the early outbreak” were a bunch of dots

Yep

Of data.

 

[Joes Place]

Who is this we???

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

 

[TennNole17]

the origin should be studied for obvious reasons- it shouldn’t be politicized