If a new division is started with rules and punishments that will put all teams in that division at a competitive disadvantage
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If a new division is started with rules and punishments that will put all teams in that division at a competitive disadvantage
I would imagine the congressmen from states with schools with large NIL donations would be hesitant to support such legislation
People still need to better familiarize themselves with what SWARM is and how it operates, and how it connects athletes with the charities.
How Are Student-Athletes Compensated?
Student-athletes are paid by raising money or providing a service to community charities and nonprofits or by connecting with local businesses to market their goods or services. These activities could include autograph sessions, meet & greets, service work at non-profit events, promotion of a charities event or cause, after school programs, etc.
Does Swarm Gift Student-Athletes Money?
Student-athletes cannot receive ‘pay for play’ and NIL payments cannot be used to induce prospects. All payments must have a ‘value exchange’ between the nonprofit/charity and the student-athlete.
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so any deal has to be worked out after they have signed and no amount can be discussed before they sign? Am I reading that right?People still need to better familiarize themselves with what SWARM is and how it operates, and how it connects athletes with the charities.
How Are Student-Athletes Compensated?
Student-athletes are paid by raising money or providing a service to community charities and nonprofits or by connecting with local businesses to market their goods or services. These activities could include autograph sessions, meet & greets, service work at non-profit events, promotion of a charities event or cause, after school programs, etc.
Does Swarm Gift Student-Athletes Money?
Student-athletes cannot receive ‘pay for play’ and NIL payments cannot be used to induce prospects. All payments must have a ‘value exchange’ between the nonprofit/charity and the student-athlete.
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Eventually we will get to a point where no more money is there to support the continued expansion of crazy money.
My guess is by the time that happens there will be a lot less teams with a seat at that table. The schools left behind will be the minor leagues for the elite schools, if they look good a true elite will sweep them away for lifetime wealth. Eventually that will lead to less fan interest for many schools and maybe that causes the entire thing to collapse.
We are likely a generation or two away.
My guess is by the time that happens there will be a lot less teams with a seat at that table. The schools left behind will be the minor leagues for the elite schools, if they look good a true elite will sweep them away for lifetime wealth. Eventually that will lead to less fan interest for many schools and maybe that causes the entire thing to collapse.
We are likely a generation or two away.
D3 Schools can just close down the programs and go intramural , They are not revenue generators like D1. Athletes at that level are best served keeping Their pie holes shut and enjoy any scholarship , food and medical benefits They get.
This might be the best WOB I have ever seen on this cite. Well done.
I knew it would be bad but not this. I also knew it would make me care less about Iowa Football and basketball. I don’t watch men’s basketball much at all and football is gaining. I feel next to nothing when they lose now.
Same, although I usually try to stick it out with the football games longer - unless they're playing @ OSU, Michigan, etc; IE, a sure loss. Hawks can't ever be truly be written off when the D & STs can sometimes pull rabbits out of their hats. And its 12 (13/14) games for football vs 30+ with bball.
Iowa will land the occasional 'potential superstar' or two, either in recruiting or the transfer portal, but they won't be able to continually restock high-level talent like the elites of their respective sports will.
Maybe its a 'getting older' thing, but sports fandom is not the huuuge part of my life anymore like it used to be. The "pay for play" NIL landscape & a transfer portal with a virtually unlimited usage for any and all is certainly not helping this new viewpoint of the importance of following collegiate sports in my free time like it used to be, IMO.
Let's review:
The NCAA is a non-profit organization put together by colleges and universities to run competitions and enforce rules determined by those colleges and universities.
The NCAA has no real power and returns excess surplus funds to those schools they work for.
So blaming the NCAA is dumb...blame the University presidents...the NCAA is just the messenger.
As for straight paying the athletes that would make them employees of the schools and that would destroy the amateur status.
They increased the stipend to 36k/yr as cost of school equivalent.
Anyone think that giving them a bigger stipend years ago would preclude them seeking more is kidding themselves.
The courts opened this can of worms.
And the courts will render any attempt to impose any restrictions on athletes earning moot, with or without the NCAA.
I hate to say it but we.are experiencing the death throes of an entertainment system we all have loved and enjoyed for 75 years.
Blame the courts or college presidents but not the NCAA.
It's rather disheartening when you realize that the school you've pulled for your entire life is one of the ones that will fall by the wayside, primarily due to the inequity of funds available and the conservative attitude of the coaches toward NIL.
BirdistheWord
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Are conferences even that necessary in football? I get that the B1G and SEC are the big dogs but could they separate from ncaa and merge or cluster with other P5 programs to form a broader alliance?
BirdistheWord
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You have to direct that at the president and AD. They allow it to happen because money keeps pouring in and while the goose is not golden it is green enough to not rock the boat I guess, but people like Barta can’t even spell innovative. New AD has her hands full.
A new division that doesn't play unsanctioned NIL schools. Those that wish to play in the unsanctioned, cannot play the new division.
Either stop it now, or it will grow and worsen. Like a festering wound.
BirdistheWord
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It just keeps moving closer to professional athlete status if not already there. With no salary cap it will implode.
Correct, the NCAA enforces rules. Rules could have been created and enforced by the NCAA regarding payments to players. The payments didn't have to come directly from schools, but as for "amateur" status, who tf would consider college athletes amateurs now? You're splitting hairs, although I understand the employee status if the money came from the school.
If you want to blame the college presidents as well, fine, but the NCAA is culpable for not trying to get ahead of this 25+ years ago. There's a reason it was the NCAA on the losing end of this case, and it's not because the presidents are a bunch of dicks who left them out to dry. It's because it was their job all along to figure out how to keep this from it's current state.
Your assertion the courts would have overturned any attempt to keep this at bay could be accurate, but it's too late to even try now, hence the aforementioned shit show. You can blame whoever you like, but the NCAA doesn't get a pass from me, or the majority of fans who are watching college sport devolve into an all out money grab.
Mandel's late to the party. Its been over since NIL - and the transfer portal became the monster it now is - started.
Shirley you're joking about "cite" but I'm not taking the bate.
Sports is vital to DIII schools. Sports are a giant tuition machine for DIII. Central football has over 100 kids on their roster. Every single one comes with a big fat tuition check. Take away sports and I would bet DIII schools lose close to half their enrollment and most would go belly up.
1/2 the students at Central College play a sport. Central college needs sports more than Iowa does.
Also DIII can get NIL also.
You can’t legally cap NIL any challenge would get shot down in court.
NCAA is far from perfect but they simply did not have the authority to implement changes you suggest without the approval of their bosses, college presidents.
They make a convenient scapegoat for fans who do not understand the structure of college sports.
This brave new world sucks for old school fans like me.
Wish there was some happy medium cap where athletes get a reasonable compensation as apprentices training for being professionals after college.
Honest question - what is the purpose of the NCAA? Why are there people who have high paying jobs and getting a kickback off of student performance in this organization? How come we can't disband this and keep a rules committee at this point?
It's pretty clear that Nico Iamaleava (and his "camp") were negotiating compensation with at least one school well before he committed to Tennessee. This is the definition of pay to play.
The proof: the week before Iamaleava committed to Tennessee, Stewart Mandel of The Athletic reported that a 5-star prospect signed a contract with a school's NIL collective to pay him upwards of $8 million by the end of his junior year.
So, with the $8M contract signed, this happened on March 21, 2022:
Source:
Tennessee Lands 5-Star Quarterback, Price Tag $8 Million
Iamaleava is considered the No. 4 quarterback and the No. 7 player in the 2023 class making him a highly sought after recruit. In fact, the 6-foot-5 quarterback is the highest rated quarterback prospect to choose the Vols since Peyton Manning in 1994.
People still need to better familiarize themselves with what SWARM is and how it operates, and how it connects athletes with the charities.
How Are Student-Athletes Compensated?
Student-athletes are paid by raising money or providing a service to community charities and nonprofits or by connecting with local businesses to market their goods or services. These activities could include autograph sessions, meet & greets, service work at non-profit events, promotion of a charities event or cause, after school programs, etc.
Does Swarm Gift Student-Athletes Money?
Student-athletes cannot receive ‘pay for play’ and NIL payments cannot be used to induce prospects. All payments must have a ‘value exchange’ between the nonprofit/charity and the student-athlete.
About | Iowa Swarm
This is one arm of SWARM; the charitable arm.
The other arm is SWARM Inc, where the deals are made with prospects like Cade McNamara, Erick All, etc. SWARM Inc is funded by the Moon Family and other big wigs.
$2,942,301: what Brock Purdy will make his first 3 years as the San Francisco 49'ers QB
$8,000,000: what Nico Iamaleava will make his first 3 yrs at the University of Tennessee
Yes, which is yet another reason why people are confused.
As you point out, it's two separate legal entities, with separate purposes, using a very similar name.
BirdistheWord
HR Heisman
Maybe, maybe not. Saban seemed to worry Bama could not maintain its level. Maybe it means greater parity.
Waiting for UNLV to get those casinos to dump money in. Come to Vegas baby!
This was voted on by all the schools, why the NCAA lawyers did not bring that up is odd. The Tennessee and Virginia schools, which are voting members, agreed to these rules, which their AG's fought in court. When you dont like the rules you put in place, and when they are applied to Tennessee for example, this is how so many react today. The lawyer(s) for the NCAA were lame. I am sure the judge did not get the whole story. It's over for now will see what happens in the coming weeks. What's next - they wont attend classes? They will be employees so to speak now. Will contracts have stipulations in them that if you dont do A, B or C, we will not pay you? How will this be any different than the pro's? How does this affect the cost of college tuition for those that have to pay for it? There will be many many unintended consequences of this.
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Ofc NIL may end up completely destroying CFB, but I still think athletes should be able to be paid.
The status quo was good for lots of people, but not necessarily the players. Think of all the great players at the collegiate level who can't make it to the pros. They still help generate plenty of revenue, and for those players, this is their one chance to earn life-changing money.
Now what needs to happen is some growth into a more robust structure. There's a reason the NFL and NBA both have salary caps and that neither has unending unrestricted free agency. That produces competition problems and makes it nearly impossible to build a roster with confidence and security.
Something like the following would be way better than the status quo:
1. Athletes are paid by the schools directly, not third parties
2. Salary caps
3. ONE transfer ever per player that results in zero waiting time. All additional transfers require the player to sit one year.
4. A chunk of each year's salary should only be released after the player competes in that year's annual bowl game.
Now I think our current chaos is a necessary transition phase. We were never going to go straight from the players can't be paid a cent to a robust, organized, and fair system.
The status quo was good for lots of people, but not necessarily the players. Think of all the great players at the collegiate level who can't make it to the pros. They still help generate plenty of revenue, and for those players, this is their one chance to earn life-changing money.
Now what needs to happen is some growth into a more robust structure. There's a reason the NFL and NBA both have salary caps and that neither has unending unrestricted free agency. That produces competition problems and makes it nearly impossible to build a roster with confidence and security.
Something like the following would be way better than the status quo:
1. Athletes are paid by the schools directly, not third parties
2. Salary caps
3. ONE transfer ever per player that results in zero waiting time. All additional transfers require the player to sit one year.
4. A chunk of each year's salary should only be released after the player competes in that year's annual bowl game.
Now I think our current chaos is a necessary transition phase. We were never going to go straight from the players can't be paid a cent to a robust, organized, and fair system.
Crazy how this went from I want a cut of the jersey sales (Fair) or get a piece of the EA Sports pie (Also fair) to it's gonna take 2 million bucks to get my commitment out of high school. Yeah I'm sure in pretty rare circumstances there's been some money exchanged in order to land the 5 stars in the past, but nothing on the scale of what we're seeing now and I'm sure every school had some boosters who could take care of the star QB or RB etc.
MAYBE, the answer should be you can't get NIL as a freshman. There was a time when Freshmen weren't even eligible to play...now they can be millionares without having stepped on the field/court.
MAYBE, the answer should be you can't get NIL as a freshman. There was a time when Freshmen weren't even eligible to play...now they can be millionares without having stepped on the field/court.
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