Here's the thing about deterrence. If there is one thing we have learned from this episode, it is that the threat of pain, as opposed to actually feeling it, has little deterrent effect on this numbnuts.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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You should take a break from this thread for the day. Go calm down someplace.
This is probably not entirely accurate...but holy crap...
They are a very fatalistic bunch and frankly are delighted with their lives over the last twenty years. Like I said they can go into a grocery store and find food, and into a department store and buy clothes. There’s a Mercedes Benz factory there for heavens sake. They think things are pretty decent.
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That is also a salient point. However, the intent is to get the oligarchs to act, not Putin.
I think it’s better to show them the rewards of action vs. potentially pushing them to stay loyal to Putin. I would image the good guys would apply a bit of both approaches though.
You are trying way to hard little man. I get it my presence threatens you but cool your ****ing little tits, we are making our way through it. If Joe wants to continue that conversation he and I will do so in the other thread.
Threat of death and pain is what keeps them in line with Putin.
I'm not saying we should start executing oligarch's kids in the streets, but I would hope our covert services are making it very clear to oligarchs how easily we can get to them...financially, but also physically as well.
And the oligarchs themselves? I would imagine there are a few of them with enough blood on their hands that we could afford to make an example of them.
You think if we let this continue that Putin's successor is going to suddenly be a peaceful man?? Or will he learn from Putin that if you riddle the nuclear saber everyone will just roll over for you.
We are teaching future Russian leaders a lesson here.
It’s past time to have EVERYONE in this thread to just put you on ignore.
You start arguments every day just for your own entertainment.
Huge old man PAIN IN THE REAR syndrome,
I have so enjoyed and appreciated the information and sharing of thought by 98% of the folks who’ve been participating- if I put you on ignore I can continue to do so.
Carry on everyone. Y’all have been awesome. 👍
I've been wondering if the Ukrainians or someone else could offer payment to Russian soldiers that surrender and give up their weapons. Their families at home must be suffering and we know the troops are starving.
Were you alive in 1962?
“Risk nuclear war?” Are you nuckin futs?
I think it's going to be crazy interesting to see what they do with government moving forward. They have seen enough of the "west" now to atleast want to try it. (The people not the oligarchs)
I have to keep reminding myself that there is absolutely nothing I can do to help this situation otherwise I sit around getting overly angry and frustrated. But it is hard. Part of me wants us to just go in with our troops and put an end to this, but that risks not only an actual nuclear war, but also many of our allies turning their back on us because it shows we don't care if nuclear war comes to them. There are far more people than just Ukranians we have to be concerned with here. Alliances are stronger than they've been in a long time, the EU is growing in unity, and NATO likely comes out of this stronger as well. There is no way that Putin really wins if we stay united on this front. But that's a long game and it's going to leave us frustrated and Ukraine likely getting overrun unless someone in Russia takes care of the problem for us.
I do think we need to continue to escalate the sanctions every few days. Start seizing all financials for every Russian oligarch. Deport all of Putins family back to Russia and then begin doing the same with ALL Oligarchs and their families. There is no reason for any Oligarchs being anywhere outside of Russia right now.
I do think we need to continue to escalate the sanctions every few days. Start seizing all financials for every Russian oligarch. Deport all of Putins family back to Russia and then begin doing the same with ALL Oligarchs and their families. There is no reason for any Oligarchs being anywhere outside of Russia right now.
Hello friend Russia, this is the World Bank. I am having trouble wiring funds out. I am willing to compensate you for your help. I will send you a check for $100 billion and all I need is for you to wire me $10 billion in return. This is a fantastic opportunity for you. Do not let it go to waste.
Ukraine already offered Russian soldiers that surrender amnesty and 50,000,000 rubles or something like that. That's like 50k US even at the Rubles deflated value.
Yes, please can you go to another thread where you can continue being the antagonist.
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Yeahhhhh buddyyyyy.... now shit is getting real.
Kennedy did it by blockading Cuba. He was willing to sink Russian ships if he had to.
He stood up to them and they backed down.
The Russian Orthodox Church has been basically a fully integrated tool of Russian security forces, first under the Soviets and since under Putin. This is something...these people are completely surrounded by government collaborators and risk tremendous consequence. This is not the kind of "safe" statement we would consider it in the West.
Don't start your shit now China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-attempts-support-taiwan-will-be-futile-2022-03-01/
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-us-attempts-support-taiwan-will-be-futile-2022-03-01/
I enjoy a good fight as much as the next guy but time is on Ukrainians side here imo. No sense in giving Russia a chance to get froggy.
I think death/injured...I don't know if it includes captured.
LOL, I have to imagine that for anyone that can get close enough to Putin to actually do the dead, they've got $1M lost in their couch cushions.
You’re leaving out the part where the US removed nukes from Turkey.
I believe it's casualties. Militarily, the wounded are nearly as big of a deal as KIA, more-so in some ways. Extra resources, med supplies, etc.
Patience is something we have lost with the information boom.
When Western direct involvement, I think that's what it's going to look like. Protecting the border with Poland, protecting humanitarian convoys, etc. It will be a position that dares the Russians to fire on us, not one that sets us up to fire on them (like a no-fly zone).
wouldn't this imply acknowledgment by the russians that they've lost?
