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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Russia declares an emergency in Kursk, under attack by Ukraine. 14 die in a Russian strike on a mall​


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia declared a “federal-level” emergency in the Kursk region following a large-scale incursion from Ukraine and sent reinforcements there on Friday, four days after hundreds of Ukrainian troops poured across the border in what appeared to be Kyiv’s biggest attack on Russian soil since the war began.

Meanwhile, a Russian plane-launched missile slammed into a Ukrainian shopping mall in the middle of the day, killing at least 14 people and wounding 44 others, authorities said.

The mall in Kostiantynivka, in the eastern Donetsk region, is located in the town’s residential area. Thick black smoke rose above it after the strike.

“This is another targeted attack on a crowded place, another act of terror by the Russians,” Donetsk regional head Vadym Filashkin said in a Telegram post.

It was the second major strike on the town in almost a year. Last September, a Russian missile hit an outdoor market there, killing 17.

July saw the heaviest civilian casualties in Ukraine since October 2022, the U.N. Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine said Friday. Conflict-related violence killed at least 219 civilians and injured 1,018 in July, the mission said.


My apologies but the “ federal level emergency “ caught my eye.

Russia's 2020 nuclear doctrine sets out when its president would consider using a nuclear weapon: broadly as a response to an attack using nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction or conventional weapons "when the very existence of the state is put under threat".

Russia uses nukes and they are done.

That's all Lloyd Austin needs to tell them. Moscow will become melted glass & concrete.
 
Wonder if Ukraine has the manpower to 'end-around' from Kursk and just glide down the Russia/Ukraine eastern border and vacuum up Russian forces from the rear. Russia has no defensive positions for anything like that, and that move would simultaneously be cutting off Russian supply lines.

Some serious airpower to help pull that off.
 
Wonder if Ukraine has the manpower to 'end-around' from Kursk and just glide down the Russia/Ukraine eastern border and vacuum up Russian forces from the rear. Russia has no defensive positions for anything like that, and that move would simultaneously be cutting off Russian supply lines.

Some serious airpower to help pull that off.
For AirPower I hope they have some migs left in the tank they can use and the f16s can backfill what the migs were doing…
 
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Wonder if Ukraine has the manpower to 'end-around' from Kursk and just glide down the Russia/Ukraine eastern border and vacuum up Russian forces from the rear. Russia has no defensive positions for anything like that, and that move would simultaneously be cutting off Russian supply lines.

Some serious airpower to help pull that off.
I don't think I posted it but some say another force of around 3,000 Ukrainians are massed on the border. FWIW
 
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Wonder if Ukraine has the manpower to 'end-around' from Kursk and just glide down the Russia/Ukraine eastern border and vacuum up Russian forces from the rear. Russia has no defensive positions for anything like that, and that move would simultaneously be cutting off Russian supply lines.

Some serious airpower to help pull that off.
The problem is simply manpower. The farther they go the more forces they have to commit to cover their flanks and supply lines. The risk getting cut off if the go too far…
 
About preparation to Kursk invasion from the man from Sumy oblast, civil volunteer, whose workshop make camo nets for donates:

We almost a month have been making nets for Sumy direction, now it's clear why it was so large order. To surprise orcs it was a need properly mask a technic and personnel. I thank to all women of our project, which abandoned own market gardens and were executing military order.

 
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"Kursk Offensive Morning Situation 10.8.2024The information situation remains difficult. There are isolated images from the UA side that show occupied places, while from the RU side there are mostly embellished situation images from the Milbloggers. The map can therefore only give a rough approximation of realityThere is still fighting going on in Sudzha, but the rest of the RU are largely surrounded, as the neighboring towns on the arterial roads are all in UA hands.Yesterday it was already reported that the UA were continuing to attack S (arrows).
This morning the "dva majora" (RU Telegram channel) reported that the UA were advancing further into Ri Lgov and Kurchatov - no indication of how far. Therefore it remains uncertain whether the advance - as yesterday's reports suggested - has actually largely come to a standstillOther reports say that UA sabotage squads are operating deep in the hinterland, also aided by the lethargy of the security forces - no vehicle checks on the roads even close to the combat zone.According to a UA report, the remaining resistance nests between the advance routes are currently being cleared out - only then can we speak of full control1/2"

 
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"Meanwhile, a UA photo shows that the border was also crossed further south; members of the Georgian Legion occupied Poros, a strategically insignificant border village. The purpose is probably to prevent the transfer of Russian forces from Belgorod to Kursk.However, together with the advances from Sudscha, this may also be an attempt to occupy a protective strip in the relatively sparsely populated area in order to make it more difficult to attack one’s own towns.2/2"

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Russians just can't admit Ukraine can be this good. Also, this may explain Belarus massing forces on their border with Ukraine-these guys believe that is where Ukraine pulled the offensive forces from. By massing there they may hope to draw Ukraine forces back. I hope Poland will mass some forces to their East to give Belarus something to think about.

 
890 days in...

This was the first map from ISW, showing the extent of Russian advances:
Invasion on multiple independent axis north of Kiev, leveraging Belarus to approach Kiev from both sides of the dominant geographic feature in the whole country, the Dnipro river.
A Russian advance from Crimea is already across the Dnipro river at Kherson.

This first map also indicated the site of missile attacks and included formation symbols. They dropped these to clean up the map, and because nobody wanted to learn the symbol for a motorized division.

NqfNXSL.png


A few days later the Russians were threatening Nikolaev on the Southern Bug river, the last large natural barrier to defend the land approach to Odessa.
Mariupol was falling under siege and Kharkov was threatened with envelopment on both sides.
In the north the westernmost threat to Kiev was approaching city suburbs. The Russians' Feb 24th air assault on the Hostomel airport had been counter attacked and driven into the woods, but the Russians overland mechanized advance captured the airport on Feb 25th. The runways had been rendered unusable before this point to prevent airborne reinforcement of the air assault.

nNPIPAY.png



Mid March the attempt to bypass Nikolaev further north stalled out.
The left bank of the Dnipro had been further consolidated by the Russians, but the front line isn't near Zaporizhia, the regional capital.
Mariupol is encircled and progress continues in Luhansk and Donetsk has the Ukrainians force a slow advance and don't suffer any large scale encirclements.
The axis advancing on Kiev west of the Dnipro is stalling out, but consolidating in the east.
This is high tide in the north, and it becomes clear the Russians lack the logistics to field, much less the firepower to push, the northern pincers on Kiev.

zClpLE9.png


The Russian pull back entirely in the north.
Biggest defeat in the war so far (I mean to today).
Nut jobs tried to dig in around Chernobyl(!) before somebody realized they didn't have firepower to push anywhere anymore. We'll learn in the future how much of that was because they didn't have the logistics stockpiled to feed a real fight on this front.
Russian airpower isn't in anyway comparable to US, and when you consider the level of air defenses they tried to fly air support into, they were doomed.
The US spent a lot of time and effort on SEAD and softening up [read: killing while instilling moral and physical helplessness in the enemy] in Desert Storm. It's hard to appreciate what it's liked to be bombed for weeks and weeks, able to do nothing but pray it's not your turn.
Anyway, the strategic concession of the entire north front threat I think can't be overstated. The hope to decapitate the seat of power taken off the table. Major cities in the NE of Chernigov and Sumy retained for Ukraine's war effort.
While the Russians consolidated rural territory on the right bank of the Dnipro north of Kherson they were counter attacked in their efforts to cross the Bug and retreated to Kherson. Threat to Odessa, and effort to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea lifted.
Mariupol still under siege and Russian pincer attempts in Luhansk and Donetsk can never get a breakthrough to exploit.

iRcKtlv.png


Into May the Russians are still making exceedingly slow progress in Luhansk and Donetsk, but Ukrainian counter attacks have relieved Kharkiv's flanks and the Russian crossing of the Dnipro is being slowly reduced.

zEjClIm.png


Jumping ahead a few months to September as fighting focused over the summer slowly reducing the Russian crossing of the Dnipro in the south, with the continued grinding advance by the Russians in the center at Luhansk and Donetsk reinforced by the units withdrawn in the northern advances on Kiev earlier in the war.
With the focus on the south Ukrainians achieve strategic surprise and clear much of Kharkiv oblast with a rapid advance on the northern end of the line that the Russians stabilize by the end of September.

PMGG1fq.png


Within two months of the surprise advance clearing Kharkov the Ukrainians succeed in compelling the Russians to retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro, and Kherson is liberated in late November.

5NTxbxS.png


From this point the conflict is strategically frozen.
Ukrainian counteroffensive hoping to reach the sea of Azov and break the land bridge to Crimea comes to naught, and Russian offensives in Luhansk and Donetsk are still slow grinds.
Reminiscent of mid-late Korean War.
ISW map today, hardly changed from the end 2022, the relative scale of the Russians recent attempt to again threaten Kharkov show how little headway is made compared to 2022. Maneuver warfare seems dead in the age of drone ISR and attack response.
Then suddenly in the last week Ukrainians again achieve their own strategic surprise, with an offense in Kursk oblast, invading Russian territory in what so far appears to be a Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian ex-pat, or other foreign legions) driven offensive. Not simply a raid, but an effort to grab some bargaining chips and create international and internal embarrassment for the Russians.

VLARyUf.png


As a confessed Thomas Jackson superfan this is the most intriguing part of the war so far.

“Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him, never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible maneuvering you can hurl your own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible.”​

― Stonewall Jackson
 
890 days in...

This was the first map from ISW, showing the extent of Russian advances:
Invasion on multiple independent axis north of Kiev, leveraging Belarus to approach Kiev from both sides of the dominant geographic feature in the whole country, the Dnipro river.
A Russian advance from Crimea is already across the Dnipro river at Kherson.

This first map also indicated the site of missile attacks and included formation symbols. They dropped these to clean up the map, and because nobody wanted to learn the symbol for a motorized division.

NqfNXSL.png


A few days later the Russians were threatening Nikolaev on the Southern Bug river, the last large natural barrier to defend the land approach to Odessa.
Mariupol was falling under siege and Kharkov was threatened with envelopment on both sides.
In the north the westernmost threat to Kiev was approaching city suburbs. The Russians' Feb 24th air assault on the Hostomel airport had been counter attacked and driven into the woods, but the Russians overland mechanized advance captured the airport on Feb 25th. The runways had been rendered unusable before this point to prevent airborne reinforcement of the air assault.

nNPIPAY.png



Mid March the attempt to bypass Nikolaev further north stalled out.
The left bank of the Dnipro had been further consolidated by the Russians, but the front line isn't near Zaporizhia, the regional capital.
Mariupol is encircled and progress continues in Luhansk and Donetsk has the Ukrainians force a slow advance and don't suffer any large scale encirclements.
The axis advancing on Kiev west of the Dnipro is stalling out, but consolidating in the east.
This is high tide in the north, and it becomes clear the Russians lack the logistics to field, much less the firepower to push, the northern pincers on Kiev.

zClpLE9.png


The Russian pull back entirely in the north.
Biggest defeat in the war so far (I mean to today).
Nut jobs tried to dig in around Chernobyl(!) before somebody realized they didn't have firepower to push anywhere anymore. We'll learn in the future how much of that was because they didn't have the logistics stockpiled to feed a real fight on this front.
Russian airpower isn't in anyway comparable to US, and when you consider the level of air defenses they tried to fly air support into, they were doomed.
The US spent a lot of time and effort on SEAD and softening up [read: killing while instilling moral and physical helplessness in the enemy] in Desert Storm. It's hard to appreciate what it's liked to be bombed for weeks and weeks, able to do nothing but pray it's not your turn.
Anyway, the strategic concession of the entire north front threat I think can't be overstated. The hope to decapitate the seat of power taken off the table. Major cities in the NE of Chernigov and Sumy retained for Ukraine's war effort.
While the Russians consolidated rural territory on the right bank of the Dnipro north of Kherson they were counter attacked in their efforts to cross the Bug and retreated to Kherson. Threat to Odessa, and effort to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea lifted.
Mariupol still under siege and Russian pincer attempts in Luhansk and Donetsk can never get a breakthrough to exploit.

iRcKtlv.png


Into May the Russians are still making exceedingly slow progress in Luhansk and Donetsk, but Ukrainian counter attacks have relieved Kharkiv's flanks and the Russian crossing of the Dnipro is being slowly reduced.

zEjClIm.png


Jumping ahead a few months to September as fighting focused over the summer slowly reducing the Russian crossing of the Dnipro in the south, with the continued grinding advance by the Russians in the center at Luhansk and Donetsk reinforced by the units withdrawn in the northern advances on Kiev earlier in the war.
With the focus on the south Ukrainians achieve strategic surprise and clear much of Kharkiv oblast with a rapid advance on the northern end of the line that the Russians stabilize by the end of September.

PMGG1fq.png


Within two months of the surprise advance clearing Kharkov the Ukrainians succeed in compelling the Russians to retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro, and Kherson is liberated in late November.

5NTxbxS.png


From this point the conflict is strategically frozen.
Ukrainian counteroffensive hoping to reach the sea of Azov and break the land bridge to Crimea comes to naught, and Russian offensives in Luhansk and Donetsk are still slow grinds.
Reminiscent of mid-late Korean War.
ISW map today, hardly changed from the end 2022, the relative scale of the Russians recent attempt to again threaten Kharkov show how little headway is made compared to 2022. Maneuver warfare seems dead in the age of drone ISR and attack response.
Then suddenly in the last week Ukrainians again achieve their own strategic surprise, with an offense in Kursk oblast, invading Russian territory in what so far appears to be a Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian ex-pat, or other foreign legions) driven offensive. Not simply a raid, but an effort to grab some bargaining chips and create international and internal embarrassment for the Russians.

VLARyUf.png


As a confessed Thomas Jackson superfan this is the most intriguing part of the war so far.

“Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him, never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible maneuvering you can hurl your own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible.”​

― Stonewall Jackson
I can remember reading that north of Kiev, the Ukraine armor had to be supported by their National Guard infantry which is not the way it was supposed to happen, but they made it work anyway.
 

Ukraine-Russia latest: Putin orders evacuation of 76,000 people in Kursk as Zelensky’s invasion deepens​


Russia has evacuated over 76,000 people in the Kursk region after declaring a state of emergency amid fierce fighting in its borders with Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin has been forced to call in reserve troops as a federal level emergency was declared in Russia over the Ukrainian incursion across the border into Kursk

With the incursion entering its fifth day, Moscow is dealing with a among Russia’s forces, Volodymyr Zelensky praised his army’s ability “to surprise” and “achieve results” while not directly mentioning the raid by name.

Around 1,000 Ukrainian troops in tanks and armoured vehicles broke through the Russian border and into the Kursk region in the early hours of Tuesday, with US-based analysts suggesting they had penetrated more than six miles into Russia, breaking through two defensive lines and a stronghold.

 
890 days in...

This was the first map from ISW, showing the extent of Russian advances:
Invasion on multiple independent axis north of Kiev, leveraging Belarus to approach Kiev from both sides of the dominant geographic feature in the whole country, the Dnipro river.
A Russian advance from Crimea is already across the Dnipro river at Kherson.

This first map also indicated the site of missile attacks and included formation symbols. They dropped these to clean up the map, and because nobody wanted to learn the symbol for a motorized division.

NqfNXSL.png


A few days later the Russians were threatening Nikolaev on the Southern Bug river, the last large natural barrier to defend the land approach to Odessa.
Mariupol was falling under siege and Kharkov was threatened with envelopment on both sides.
In the north the westernmost threat to Kiev was approaching city suburbs. The Russians' Feb 24th air assault on the Hostomel airport had been counter attacked and driven into the woods, but the Russians overland mechanized advance captured the airport on Feb 25th. The runways had been rendered unusable before this point to prevent airborne reinforcement of the air assault.

nNPIPAY.png



Mid March the attempt to bypass Nikolaev further north stalled out.
The left bank of the Dnipro had been further consolidated by the Russians, but the front line isn't near Zaporizhia, the regional capital.
Mariupol is encircled and progress continues in Luhansk and Donetsk has the Ukrainians force a slow advance and don't suffer any large scale encirclements.
The axis advancing on Kiev west of the Dnipro is stalling out, but consolidating in the east.
This is high tide in the north, and it becomes clear the Russians lack the logistics to field, much less the firepower to push, the northern pincers on Kiev.

zClpLE9.png


The Russian pull back entirely in the north.
Biggest defeat in the war so far (I mean to today).
Nut jobs tried to dig in around Chernobyl(!) before somebody realized they didn't have firepower to push anywhere anymore. We'll learn in the future how much of that was because they didn't have the logistics stockpiled to feed a real fight on this front.
Russian airpower isn't in anyway comparable to US, and when you consider the level of air defenses they tried to fly air support into, they were doomed.
The US spent a lot of time and effort on SEAD and softening up [read: killing while instilling moral and physical helplessness in the enemy] in Desert Storm. It's hard to appreciate what it's liked to be bombed for weeks and weeks, able to do nothing but pray it's not your turn.
Anyway, the strategic concession of the entire north front threat I think can't be overstated. The hope to decapitate the seat of power taken off the table. Major cities in the NE of Chernigov and Sumy retained for Ukraine's war effort.
While the Russians consolidated rural territory on the right bank of the Dnipro north of Kherson they were counter attacked in their efforts to cross the Bug and retreated to Kherson. Threat to Odessa, and effort to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea lifted.
Mariupol still under siege and Russian pincer attempts in Luhansk and Donetsk can never get a breakthrough to exploit.

iRcKtlv.png


Into May the Russians are still making exceedingly slow progress in Luhansk and Donetsk, but Ukrainian counter attacks have relieved Kharkiv's flanks and the Russian crossing of the Dnipro is being slowly reduced.

zEjClIm.png


Jumping ahead a few months to September as fighting focused over the summer slowly reducing the Russian crossing of the Dnipro in the south, with the continued grinding advance by the Russians in the center at Luhansk and Donetsk reinforced by the units withdrawn in the northern advances on Kiev earlier in the war.
With the focus on the south Ukrainians achieve strategic surprise and clear much of Kharkiv oblast with a rapid advance on the northern end of the line that the Russians stabilize by the end of September.

PMGG1fq.png


Within two months of the surprise advance clearing Kharkov the Ukrainians succeed in compelling the Russians to retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro, and Kherson is liberated in late November.

5NTxbxS.png


From this point the conflict is strategically frozen.
Ukrainian counteroffensive hoping to reach the sea of Azov and break the land bridge to Crimea comes to naught, and Russian offensives in Luhansk and Donetsk are still slow grinds.
Reminiscent of mid-late Korean War.
ISW map today, hardly changed from the end 2022, the relative scale of the Russians recent attempt to again threaten Kharkov show how little headway is made compared to 2022. Maneuver warfare seems dead in the age of drone ISR and attack response.
Then suddenly in the last week Ukrainians again achieve their own strategic surprise, with an offense in Kursk oblast, invading Russian territory in what so far appears to be a Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian ex-pat, or other foreign legions) driven offensive. Not simply a raid, but an effort to grab some bargaining chips and create international and internal embarrassment for the Russians.

VLARyUf.png


As a confessed Thomas Jackson superfan this is the most intriguing part of the war so far.

“Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him, never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible maneuvering you can hurl your own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible.”​

― Stonewall Jackson
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