This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[h-hawk]

Russian propaganda is upset.

" Putin:If a mass enemy missile or UAV is launched towards Russia or these weapons enter Russian territory, we will use NUCLEAR weapons.-Elite News"

 

[h-hawk]

And a response.

 

[wilson reborn]

Russian propaganda is upset.

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" Putin:If a mass enemy missile or UAV is launched towards Russia or these weapons enter Russian territory, we will use NUCLEAR weapons.-Elite News"

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Putin’s nuclear threats mean nothing with his US puppet taking over in a few weeks

 

[Joes Place]

Putin’s nuclear threats mean nothing with his US puppet taking over in a few weeks

Like I posted a week or so ago: Trump is gonna "greenlight" Putin to use nukes.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[billanole]

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Let the fur fly. Bust a muuve.

 

[seminole97]

I'm trying to imagine how the U.S. would have responded in 1967 if the Soviets gave the North Vietnamese missiles that could strike the U.S.

Would LBJ have started pulling U.S. troops out, or would it have led to war between the US and USSR?

 

[wilson reborn]

I'm trying to imagine how the U.S. would have responded in 1967 if the Soviets gave the North Vietnamese missiles that could strike the U.S.

Would LBJ have started pulling U.S. troops out, or would it have led to war between the US and USSR?

What a ridiculous analogy. Who do you work for?

 

[seminole97]

What a ridiculous analogy. Who do you work for?

We had troops in Vietnam propping up a puppet government, and bombing the nationalists who were fighting for independence for their whole country. The Soviet Union provided them weapons to be used in that fight, but no weapons with which to strike at the United States.

I work for the Bureau of Child Protection and Special Technology.

 

[BlIIlken2]

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Thanks Trump

 

[GES4]

We had troops in Vietnam propping up a puppet government, and bombing the nationalists who were fighting for independence for their whole country. The Soviet Union provided them weapons to be used in that fight, but no weapons with which to strike at the United States.

I work for the Bureau of Child Protection and Special Technology.

YGTBFKM

 

[Tenacious E]

YGTBFKM

I put him back on ignore.

 

[seminole97]

YGTBFKM

I'd wager I've had more FBI background checks than everyone here but @alaskanseminole

 

[wilson reborn]

We had troops in Vietnam propping up a puppet government, and bombing the nationalists who were fighting for independence for their whole country. The Soviet Union provided them weapons to be used in that fight, but no weapons with which to strike at the United States.

I work for the Bureau of Child Protection and Special Technology.

God bless you for your opposition to an unjust war that happened 60 years ago. Where are you on an unprovoked attack by a tyrant on a peaceful country, with indiscriminate attacks on civilians, including children, taking place now? You work for the Bureau of Child Protection? How ironic.

 

[seminole97]

God bless you for your opposition to an unjust war that happened 60 years ago. Where are you on an unprovoked attack by a tyrant on a peaceful country, with indiscriminate attacks on civilians, including children, taking place now?

I think it was morally unjustified, I don't think it was unprovoked.
I think it was deliberately provoked.

If the U.S. had invaded Cuba in 1962, as the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended to the President, it would have been morally unjustified, but I don't think anyone would argue it was unprovoked.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I'd wager I've had more FBI background checks than everyone here but @alaskanseminole

Probably a fair assertion.

Funny story, recollection rather, my first background check sent investigators to my hometown of Tavares. They were knocking on all kinds of doors, ex-girlfriends, acquaintances, etc. My best friend called me asking me "what the hell, bro! I wasn't sure if I was supposed to lie for you or what 'cause we used to do some dome $hit!" LOL

 

[bhawk24bob]

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Somebody get pornhub on the horn and make sure they have bandwidth for this

 

[h-hawk]

Coming soon to a dachas near you?


"Flamethrower systems "Sivalka-VM8" of units of the Support Troops Command inflict fire damage on enemy manpower"

 

[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

"Germany is preparing to provide Ukraine with new technological support in times of war. The German company Helsing will supply Ukraine with 4,000 drones with artificial intelligence, reports Bild.

These drones, Mini-Taurus, will be equipped with modern systems that make them virtually invulnerable to Russian electronic warfare systems and GPS interference.
German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius confirmed the delivery of drones to Ukraine."

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/germany-to-provide-ukraine-with-new-ai-drones-1731919483.html

 

[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Tenacious E]

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Sure would have been nice if this had coincided with Ukraine's spring offensive 8 months ago....

Good news but the timing is a bit suspect.

How long-range missiles striking Russia could affect Ukraine war​

ATACMS: How long-range missiles striking Russia could affect Ukraine war

The US has never allowed Kyiv to use long-range missiles for attacks inside Russia proper – until now.

www.bbc.com

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I'm trying to imagine how the U.S. would have responded in 1967 if the Soviets gave the North Vietnamese missiles that could strike the U.S.

Would LBJ have started pulling U.S. troops out, or would it have led to war between the US and USSR?

Quite the stretch. The soviets would have had to given them intercontinental ballistic missiles.

ATACMS aren't the same thing...

Having said that I have some ??? about the timing of this.

 

[lucas80]

Sure would have been nice if this had coincided with Ukraine's spring offensive 8 months ago....

Good news but the timing is a bit suspect.

How long-range missiles striking Russia could affect Ukraine war​

ATACMS: How long-range missiles striking Russia could affect Ukraine war

The US has never allowed Kyiv to use long-range missiles for attacks inside Russia proper – until now.

www.bbc.com

The timing isn’t suspect, it’s overdue. Biden was too cautious. Hopefully Trump isn’t a eunuch to Putin and reversed this. The final straw was the introduction of NK troops, and a gradual raise in US support is harder for Trump to justify with NKs on the ground. Even Fox viewers will get edgy about this development and approve of blowing up some NK soldiers

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

The timing isn’t suspect, it’s overdue. Biden was too cautious. Hopefully Trump isn’t a eunuch to Putin and reversed this. The final straw was the introduction of NK troops, and a gradual raise in US support is harder for Trump to justify with NKs on the ground. Even Fox viewers will get edgy about this development and approve of blowing up some NK soldiers

...and after Harris lost he isn't cautious anymore.

It's a little suspect Lucas.

Anyway, better late than never.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Maybe this is "doom porn," but if we allow Ukraine to fire our missiles deep into Russian territory, how is that different than Russia allowing Cuba to fire Russian-supplied missiles deep into US territory?

 

[GES4]

Maybe this is "doom porn," but if we allow Ukraine to fire our missiles deep into Russian territory, how is that different than Russia allowing Cuba to fire Russian-supplied missiles deep into US territory?

Well to begin with, one of your scenarios is happening and other never happened. Secondly, the U.S., to my knowledge, is not currently an occupying invasion force in Cuba. Thirdly, what point do you think you're making?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Well to begin with, one of your scenarios is happening and other never happened. Secondly, the U.S., to my knowledge, is not currently an occupying invasion force in Cuba. Thirdly, what point do you think you're making?

I guess my point is that we have become cavalier about the risk of a direct conflict between the two largest nuclear powers.

 

[h-hawk]

I guess my point is that we have become cavalier about the risk of a direct conflict between the two largest nuclear powers.

The alternative is to continue to allow Russia to destroy Ukraine while feeding North Korean troops into a war in Europe. The West has to stand up to Putin's blackmail at some point. I still think we should have given Ukraine what they needed early so Putin would realize we were serious. Instead we are still slow playing sending the good stuff - tanks, aircraft and missiles.

 

[h-hawk]

BRUSSELS, Nov 18 (Reuters) - The European Union has widened its sanctions against Iran over Tehran's support of Russia in its war with Ukraine, the European Commission said on Monday.
The Commission said it had added the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL) and its director Mohammad Reza Khiabani, among others, to its sanctions list.
The fresh sanctions are against vessels and ports used for transporting Iranian-made Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), missiles and related technologies and components. They include prohibiting any transaction with ports and locks owned, operated or controlled by the sanctioned individuals and entities.

The Managing Director of Iran's Ports and Maritime Organization Ali Akbar Safaei condemned the fresh sanctions and denied the "European accusations" as "baseless", Iran's official IRNA News Agency reported on Monday.
The EU is also sanctioning three Russian shipping firms - MG Flot, VTS Broker, and Arapax - for transporting Iranian weapons, including drone parts, across the Caspian Sea to resupply Russian troops in Ukraine."

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[h-hawk]

"On Monday, millions of Swedes will start receiving copies of a pamphlet advising the population how to prepare and cope in the event of war or another unexpected crisis.
“If crisis or war comes” has been updated from six years ago because of what the government in Stockholm calls the worsening security situation, by which it means Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The booklet is also twice the size.
Neighbouring Finland has also just published its own fresh advice online on “preparing for incidents and crises”.
And Norwegians have also recently received a pamphlet urging them to be prepared to manage on their own for a week in the event of extreme weather, war and other threats.

During the summer, Denmark's emergency management agency said it was emailing Danish adults details on the water, food and medicine they would need to get through a crisis for three days.
In a detailed section on military conflict, the Finnish digital brochure explains how the government and president would respond in the event of an armed attack, stressing that Finland’s authorities are “well prepared for self defence”.
Sweden joined Nato only this year, deciding like Finland to apply after Moscow expanded its war in 2022. Norway was a founder member of the Western defensive alliance.
Unlike Sweden and Norway, the Helsinki government has decided not to print a copy for every home as it “would cost millions” and a digital version could be updated more easily.
“We have sent out 2.2 million paper copies, one for each household in Norway,” said Tore Kamfjord, who is responsible for the campaign of self-preparedness at the Norwegian Directorate for Civil Protection (DSB)." (More)

Sweden, Finland and Norway release new advice on surviving war

Sweden said the new advice follows a worsening security situation, by which it means the war in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

 

[h-hawk]

Huge FWIW (Hard to imagine there will not be a reaction if Russia did this.)

 

[Joes Place]

Huge FWIW (Hard to imagine there will not be a reaction if Russia did this.)

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Putin needs more "encouragement" now.
Take the gloves off and mitigate the threat to the West.

 

[GES4]

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BRUSSELS, Nov 18 (Reuters) - The European Union has widened its sanctions against Iran over Tehran's support of Russia in its war with Ukraine, the European Commission said on Monday.
The Commission said it had added the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines (IRISL) and its director Mohammad Reza Khiabani, among others, to its sanctions list.
The fresh sanctions are against vessels and ports used for transporting Iranian-made Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), missiles and related technologies and components. They include prohibiting any transaction with ports and locks owned, operated or controlled by the sanctioned individuals and entities.

The Managing Director of Iran's Ports and Maritime Organization Ali Akbar Safaei condemned the fresh sanctions and denied the "European accusations" as "baseless", Iran's official IRNA News Agency reported on Monday.
The EU is also sanctioning three Russian shipping firms - MG Flot, VTS Broker, and Arapax - for transporting Iranian weapons, including drone parts, across the Caspian Sea to resupply Russian troops in Ukraine."

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Literally every time a new sanction like this is announced, I think to myself "Why weren't we doing this already?!"

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Quick question as we commit billions in more dollars of aid, while not having a withdrawal plan 1 year in. When we inevitably spend several trillion more dollars to backfill our supplies we are sending over there, that goes on this wars tab also right? We like to explain how this is like the cheapest way ever to take on Russia, while footing the bill for most of the world, I just want to make sure we are all in agreement on that.


I would hope that we would all agree that if they came to us now and said they need x trillion dollars for military spending they would get laughed out of the room. When they do so in 2-3 years under the guise of resupply the money will be spent without much thought.



We need to support Ukraine. We need to have a plan for that side of the world taking over the primary role in what has now become NATOs proxy war with Russia.

I asked this 18 months ago, at the time we had been there for a year with no plan, again I will ask, almost 3 years in, what is the plan?


What are we going to do to make this NOT another 20 year war we foot the bill for and inevitably walk away?




Ukraine needed help, Europe needed help, there is a difference between helping and enabling someone.