This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
- Thread starter Nole Lou
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As already noted in an earlier post: What happens in Ukraine when far-right candidates take over NATO countries. Like even the USA?
We gonna turn our backs on Ukraine and let Putin win then?
Who you vote for in 2022 and 2024 matters more than just in America...
Reagan is turning over in his grave right now.
Too bad Ukraine didn't have these at the start of the war
I don’t condone terrorism, but you have to expect it when you kill people’s kids.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Yep, hearing about all this makes me about want to puke. I would support military action against Russia….the world said never again nearly 80 years ago…not never again unless the other side could threaten OUR homes….then go ahead and carry on….
Trivia - The famous Swiss Oerlikon 20mm anti aircraft gun was used by both the Axis and Allies in WW2, usually mounted on warships.
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I’m a pretty liberal democrat, but Kinzinger is exactly the type of leader we need in the Oval Office and I would vote for him in a second.
Maybe this will change some minds, if they get the chance to see it that is.
I know this is a radical idea, but what if some of the best farmland in the world (in Iowa and the Midwest) was used to efficiently grow food for humans?
The fascists have all disowned the Pope. Ask the board's righties what they think of God's vicar here on earth.
A Democrat from the 1930's would be a conservative today. I am pretty sure the guys that stormed the beaches at Normandy knew what a woman was.
Well Laura...some people have little patience for dipshits that disregard the Nuclear threat.
Human suffering obviously takes precedence but how sad is this...
According to the charity UAnimals, the shelter's 485 dogs remained locked in their cages from the beginning of the war in late February until the beginning of April, after Russian soldiers left Borodyanka and charity volunteers were able to return to the shelter. During that time, the dogs were left without any food or water, the charity said. By the time the volunteers finally gained access to the building on April 1, all but 150 of the 485 animals had died.
More than 300 dogs found dead in Ukrainian shelter after weeks without food or water due to the war, charity says
Disturbing footage appeared to show dead dogs on the floor of the shelter.www.cbsnews.com
All of those good conservatives elected FDR 4 times.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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And many Republicans from the 2020’s would be supporting the guys on the cliffs of those beaches back then. What’s your point?
You're contradicting yourself here. Do you want the US to get militarily involved or not?
Is Zelensky/Ukr considering giving Russia land in Ukraine as a concession for Putin to stop the war? Thought I saw this mentioned in the thread but skimmed it quick and haven't seen anything else on this.
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MARCH 30, 2022, 12:57 PM
In recent days, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky walked the first steps toward peace by announcing his openness to making several concessions to Russian demands. These include a commitment to Ukrainian neutrality with respect to military alliances, a rejection of any nuclear arsenal, and an acceptance of Russian control over Ukraine’s eastern regions. He even indicated a readiness to change language policies that had disadvantaged Russian speakers.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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so why would that calculus suddenly change if Putin does the same thing to Poland or the baltics?
MARCH 30, 2022, 12:57 PM
In recent days, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky walked the first steps toward peace by announcing his openness to making several concessions to Russian demands. These include a commitment to Ukrainian neutrality with respect to military alliances, a rejection of any nuclear arsenal, and an acceptance of Russian control over Ukraine’s eastern regions. He even indicated a readiness to change language policies that had disadvantaged Russian speakers.
Clearly defined red line, NATO treaty obligations....that's why Putin has avoided attacking NATO countries. He knows exactly what the response will be.
If we didn't want him to attack Ukraine NATO/US should have let Ukraine in or given security guarantees BEFORE he invaded. We us/nato made it abundantly clear we WOULD NOT get involved militarily in Ukraine.
Attacking the Baltics or Poland is essentially a declaration of war against NATO countries.
This was before the Bucha and other war crimes were uncovered, right? I hope he walks this back - at least from where I sit I would. Can't concede to a murderous criminal imo.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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NATO treaty does not require defense of member states. Article V says that each member state may respond by taking the actions we deem necessary….we could respond by a strongly worded message and flipping Putin off and still fulfill our obligations
