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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

82 countries were against or abstained. 82

93 voted for it....54%

If these countries aren't gonna vote for this they certainly aren't participating in any sanctions.
That’s been the case.
These are Western sanction on Russia, not global.


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Basically South America, Africa and Asia are pro Putin zones it seems...
Considering Europe spent most of their history raping and looting most of those countries, I'm not surprised that they aren't on our side. I'm not certain that they're all on Putin's side, but for most of them they don't see it as their fight to have so why get involved. The disappointments so far have been countries like Israel, India, Mexico, and South Africa. China is actually playing it neutral which is a win in our favor considering I figured they'd be supporting them all in when this started.

As to what's happening. It seems to me that Putin's next plan is to throw everything he has at Ukraine. I think at this point he's going to do everything he can to bring in other countries to the fight, I think it's the only way he can see this winning is if he somehow can make this fight about more than Ukraine. I don't think he's going to start a massive all out nuclear war; but I would not be surprised to see the use of tactical nukes if things continue to go against him as a final threat to try to break the spirit of the West.
 
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Considering Europe spent most of their history raping and looting most of those countries, I'm not surprised that they aren't on our side. I'm not certain that they're all on Putin's side, but for most of them they don't see it as their fight to have so why get involved. The disappointments so far have been countries like Israel, India, Mexico, and South Africa. China is actually playing it neutral which is a win in our favor considering I figured they'd be supporting them all in when this started.
It’s wildly ironic that so many countries support Russian imperialism to stick it to the former imperial powers.
 
It’s wildly ironic that so many countries support Russian imperialism to stick it to the former imperial powers.
As long as the Russian Imperialism isn't coming for them I guess. To them they're both Imperialistic colonizers but only one has actively come for them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
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Considering Europe spent most of their history raping and looting most of those countries, I'm not surprised that they aren't on our side. I'm not certain that they're all on Putin's side, but for most of them they don't see it as their fight to have so why get involved. The disappointments so far have been countries like Israel, India, Mexico, and South Africa. China is actually playing it neutral which is a win in our favor considering I figured they'd be supporting them all in when this started.

As to what's happening. It seems to me that Putin's next plan is to throw everything he has at Ukraine. I think at this point he's going to do everything he can to bring in other countries to the fight, I think it's the only way he can see this winning is if he somehow can make this fight about more than Ukraine. I don't think he's going to start a massive all out nuclear war; but I would not be surprised to see the use of tactical nukes if things continue to go against him as a final threat to try to break the spirit of the West.
I think it has more to do with China's influence and possibility of cheap russian oil in those regions....your point definitely resonates though.
 
Off on a tangent - I was told that in Vietnam, if the US wanted something protected and they could not do it themselves, they had the ROK do it. There was a total trust in their ability.

A person could read the reports and the US Army or Marines would report 15 VC prisoners, 1 killed or 16 prisoners 0 killed for example. The ROKs would list 16 killed 2 prisoners or 22 killed 1 prisoner.
 
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They’ll get slaughtered.
It sounds like a lot of people but then you think it's only 20K more than the number of people in the Big House on a football saturday, spread out over a country the size of Texas. If they are all concentrated in a small area in the South or East, a few well-placed and well-timed bombs could do wonders.
 
Anyone else willing to admit his/her surprise at how non-white these Russians are? I wonder if as such, when prisoners were executed by the Ukrainians, they were readily identifiable as persons who committed the Bucha atrocities.
Many of the conscripts are from Russia’s Far East — poor, rural, Asian.
 
I will admit I am not dialed into Russia's demographics as they relate to geography and conscription practices.
Many of the conscripts come from areas of the vast Russian landmass so remote that, in a less polite era, geographers would not have hesitated to call them hinterlands. These include places so distant from the symbolic seats of national power that many of their residents emphatically refuse to consider themselves Russian; in the first four years of occupation, an estimated eighteen thousand Crimeans, for example, were conscripted into the occupying Russian armed forces. Wherever they hail from, the conscripts are overwhelmingly poor, having proven unable to procure an exemption to mandatory military service, as is the well-established practice for their countrymen of higher social status. And all of them are young — unthinkably and hauntingly young. Most are around twenty years old.

 
I generally am pro-environmentalist, but the fight against nuclear power has never made sense to me.

The threat of disposing/storing nuclear waste as well as the threat of major accidents at plants is far, far, far less than the harm done to the planet from fossil fuels.
 


I know folks on here are giving Germany grief....but they're in a tight spot. Gas is around $10 a gallon and they need NG/oil for industry....

They cut off Russian oil/gas they're probably looking at tanking their economy at the moment...

Anyway, they made their bed....


I highly doubt Americans would cut themselves off from Russian oil if faced with the same consequences...


In this sense, the challenge for Germany is two-fold. First, its economy is heavily dependent on industry and manufacturing. Manufacturing is Germany’s most important sector in industry and accounts for 79 percent of total production. Germany’s industrial sector accounts for 40% of its electricity demand. The majority of its natural gas provides fuel for its industrial sector. This will provide a challenge to replace, as many of industrial processes require massive amounts of energy for their transformative processes.

The importance of Germany’s industrial sector cannot be underestimated: it drives the German economy, which drives the European economy. And constraints on the power that run this would have a global impact.

The second challenge is Germany’s already high-power prices. In January 2022, German manufacturers paid 25% more for power than they had the year before, a tip-off of how the sector is already paying the cost of war.

And it follows a year that had already set a new precedent for high power prices.

 
I generally am pro-environmentalist, but the fight against nuclear power has never made sense to me.

The threat of disposing/storing nuclear waste as well as the threat of major accidents at plants is far, far, far less than the harm done to the planet from fossil fuels.
Reminds of a Monty Burns line when in the 1990s he lamented that eggs have gotten a bad rap lately.

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I will admit I am not dialed into Russia's demographics as they relate to geography and conscription practices.

It was posted, probably only once or twice, so it was easily missed. Many of their conscripts/cannon fodder are ethnic minorities from conquered states in their federation. Also, the defense minister, if he is still in that job, is unique among Russian ministers in that he is a non-Russian minority.
 
I generally am pro-environmentalist, but the fight against nuclear power has never made sense to me.

The threat of disposing/storing nuclear waste as well as the threat of major accidents at plants is far, far, far less than the harm done to the planet from fossil fuels.
This...

Germany's problem is the Green Party is usually part of the coalition government...they're pretty implaccable when it comes to Nuclear. Strange since they're also leading the charge for renewable energy and take climate the most seriously...a few more Nuclear plants would have put them in a much better situation in regards to Russia as well.
 
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