This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[seminole97]

I have little doubt that nuking Lviv triggers Article 5. Poland is right there.

Even the real Nazis didn't f*ck with Habsburg cities.

War is hell.
How much do we lean on Putin’s strategic calculus, acumen, and humanity?

Dresden has a long history as the capital and royal residence for the Electors and Kings of Saxony, who for centuries furnished the city with cultural and artistic splendor, and was once by personal union the family seat of Polish monarchs. The city was known as the Jewel Box, because of its baroque and rococo city centre. The controversial American and British bombing of Dresden in World War II towards the end of the war killed approximately 25,000 people, many of whom were civilians, and destroyed the entire city centre.

This was done, as a show of force to the Soviets as much as the Nazis (Red Army was approaching the city, which had been largely untouched until then).

Would China stop trade with Russia if they dropped a nuke? I lean toward ‘no’.

 

[Tenacious E]

Captured occupier says Russian command fled Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast Security Service of Ukraine

VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER, 2022, 12:15 A Russian invader who has been stationed in the Chuhuiv district of Kharkiv Oblast since March has described how the counteroffensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine demoralised Russian troops.

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[Tenacious E]

Ukraine's military claims downing Iran drone used by Russia

Ukraine's military claimed Tuesday for the first time that it encountered an Iranian-supplied suicide drone used by Russia on the battlefield, showing the deepening ties between Moscow and Tehran as the Islamic Republic's tattered nuclear deal with world powers hangs in the balance. U.S...

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[GES4]

War is hell.
How much do we lean on Putin’s strategic calculus, acumen, and humanity?

Dresden has a long history as the capital and royal residence for the Electors and Kings of Saxony, who for centuries furnished the city with cultural and artistic splendor, and was once by personal union the family seat of Polish monarchs. The city was known as the Jewel Box, because of its baroque and rococo city centre. The controversial American and British bombing of Dresden in World War II towards the end of the war killed approximately 25,000 people, many of whom were civilians, and destroyed the entire city centre.

This was done, as a show of force to the Soviets as much as the Nazis (Red Army was approaching the city, which had been largely untouched until then).

Would China stop trade with Russia if they dropped a nuke? I lean toward ‘no’.

And Dresden sat in dismal rubble until East Germany finally pulled itself free of the Soviet system. Then it was promptly rebuilt stone by stone.

And I lean toward "yes."

 

[MitchLL]

Rightly so, I think NATO/US intelligence might have slightly overestimated Russian capabilities to be prepared for "worst case scenario" in terms of weaponry and response.

It's a hell of a lot easier to downsize your plans than to suddenly realize you've UNDERestimated your foe.

It's just so amazing how the tide turned since August and it kinda falls in line with those that said we'd see major Ukrainian gains in the current timeframe back in May/June.

When you don't have religious undertones in a war, I think it's easier to use logic and common sense in battle planning.

Oh.. and Fvck Russia.

 

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Looks like me after the Iowa State game.

 

[seminole97]

And Dresden sat in dismal rubble until East Germany finally pulled itself free of the Soviet system. Then it was promptly rebuilt stone by stone.

That’s not true.

1945:

1955:

One destroyed landmark of the old city, the 18th-century Lutheran Frauenkirche, was left untouched, its scorched ruins serving as a memorial against war.

Some historic buildings, such as the Zwinger palace and Semper Opera House, were rebuilt to match their former glory, while large sections of the city center were cleared to make room for new complexes built in the Socialist Modern style.

 

[GES4]

That’s not true.

1945:

1955:

One destroyed landmark of the old city, the 18th-century Lutheran Frauenkirche, was left untouched, its scorched ruins serving as a memorial against war.

Some historic buildings, such as the Zwinger palace and Semper Opera House, were rebuilt to match their former glory, while large sections of the city center were cleared to make room for new complexes built in the Socialist Modern style.

LMAO. That 1955 picture is dismal. Now do 2022.

 

[GES4]

LMAO. That 1955 picture is dismal. Now do 2022.

How Frauenkirche was left by the Soviets for 45 years.

and today.

 

[Cougar63]

Is there a coup in Moscow or not, what's going on?

 

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[notlongago]

The Ukrainians attacked an airbase in Russia. Why havent they nuked yet dumfuk?

intellectual giant here

 

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[WhiteSoxClone]

I think it’s more that too many people, myself included, underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and overestimated the Russian military.

Not a problem for me, I relish being wrong on both points, but it’s also not my job.

These guys missed big on the main thing they were paid to do. Luckily our military didn’t. We weren’t just providing weapons and training out of a moral obligation to a lost cause.

To think that back in March I thought there was a good chance Putin would take Ukraine and then turn his attention to Poland or the Baltic states and set up a showdown with NATO. The idea of Russia attacking a NATO country now seems absurd. It would be shorter than Israel’s Six-Day War.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

To think that back in March I thought there was a good chance Putin would take Ukraine and then turn his attention to Poland or the Baltic states and set up a showdown with NATO. The idea of Russia attacking a NATO country now seems absurd. It would be shorter than Israel’s Six-Day War.

It would be longer than that just because the land is so vast. But their conventional forces would be destroyed fast.

 

[lucas80]

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The West needs to outbid Russia for this stockpile.
Not joking. Keep starving Russia of munitions while supplying Ukraine's Soviet era weapons.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[TigerHawk33]

I think it is striking and very indicative of the differences between the UA and RU soldiers in just the uniform appearance. UA soldiers appear professional and have uniforms made for the battlefield. RU soldiers are wearing what appears to be any type of clothing they could get their hands on because RU leadership does not even see fit to properly attire their soldiers. That says a lot about the level of concern each country has for the soldiers fighting in their armies. If you can't provide your soldiers with the absolute bare minimum for clothing, how can you be expected to provide them with food, good weapons, good maintenance on those weapons and leadership. All marks of a very corrupt and poorly run military.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[lucas80]

I think this question was posed several pages ago, but do we assist with detention of POWs? Ship them to Poland or Germany for safekeeping to free up Ukrainians to fight and not be prison guards?

No. That would be unwise. Even as supportive as Poland has been, I cannot see them allowing combatants to be detained on their soil, and we know the Germans wouldn't.

 

[Tenacious E]

I think it is striking and very indicative of the differences between the UA and RU soldiers in just the uniform appearance. UA soldiers appear professional and have uniforms made for the battlefield. RU soldiers are wearing what appears to be any type of clothing they could get their hands on because RU leadership does not even see fit to properly attire their soldiers. That says a lot about the level of concern each country has for the soldiers fighting in their armies. If you can't provide your soldiers with the absolute bare minimum for clothing, how can you be expected to provide them with food, good weapons, good maintenance on those weapons and leadership. All marks of a very corrupt and poorly run military.

Assuming Ukraine does not run Russia out of its borders in the next couple of months, that will be even more important once it turns cold...

 

[Joes Place]

How Frauenkirche was left by the Soviets for 45 years.

and today.

I was over in East Berlin a few years after the wall came down.

There were those tower-cranes EVERYWHERE.
The locals I was working with were excited about how they could "rebuild" the city, and the opportunity of vast open swaths of dead space they could design and rebuild - something no other major city practically ever had the opportunity to do.

 

[lucas80]

Looks like me after the Iowa State game.

Beat me too it, however I was going to say this will be me if we lose to Nevada.

 

[Tenacious E]

Beat me too it, however I was going to say this will be me if we lose to Nevada.

If we lose to Nevada, that would mean our offense has sunk to to Lickliteresque levels...

 

[lucas80]

I think it is striking and very indicative of the differences between the UA and RU soldiers in just the uniform appearance. UA soldiers appear professional and have uniforms made for the battlefield. RU soldiers are wearing what appears to be any type of clothing they could get their hands on because RU leadership does not even see fit to properly attire their soldiers. That says a lot about the level of concern each country has for the soldiers fighting in their armies. If you can't provide your soldiers with the absolute bare minimum for clothing, how can you be expected to provide them with food, good weapons, good maintenance on those weapons and leadership. All marks of a very corrupt and poorly run military.

I had the same thought watching the video on this page of the soldiers ripping up the Russian flag. All of them looked to have new uniforms. The boots are critical, and they all looked to be in good shape. I know this is one area the West has been pouring in resources, and it shows.
There are rumors of the Russian Army being so corrupt that soldiers have to buy their own uniforms, and they don't even get the best of the stuff. The rest is sold off by corrupt officers and supply staff.

 

[h-hawk]

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Close to dividing Russian forces again?

 

[lucas80]

UPDATE 1-Kremlin says Putin making 'every effort' to de-escalate Armenia-Azerbaijan hostilities

Russian President Vladimir Putin is doing everything he can to help de-escalate hostilities between Armenia and Azerbaijan, the Kremlin said on Tuesday. "It is difficult to overestimate the role of Russia, and the role of Putin personally" in mediating between the two countries, Kremlin...

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Putin cannot have hostilities break out in this region. Just like Kazakhstan, and the troops he has in Belarus to keep Lukashenko in. power. He is being stretched thin.

 

[Tenacious E]

Close to dividing Russian forces again?

 

[h-hawk]

More on the southern breakthrough.

"ProRussian channels reported that the Ukrainian Armed Forces penetrated the defenses of Russian forces in the settlement of Davydiv Brid in the region #Kherson . If the Ukrainian Army reached Davydiv Brid, it meant that they had crossed the East bank of the river"

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

intellectual giant here

You have added precisely nothing to the conversation and should be treated like the dunce you are.

 

[Tenacious E]

More on the southern breakthrough.

"ProRussian channels reported that the Ukrainian Armed Forces penetrated the defenses of Russian forces in the settlement of Davydiv Brid in the region #Kherson . If the Ukrainian Army reached Davydiv Brid, it meant that they had crossed the East bank of the river"

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If so...

 

[h-hawk]

I may be this excited if Iowa's offense ever scores a touchdown

 

[seminole97]

There are rumors of the Russian Army being so corrupt that soldiers have to buy their own uniforms, and they don't even get the best of the stuff. The rest is sold off by corrupt officers and supply staff.

@SSG T or someone else can comment, but I think the U.S. has for a long time provided a uniform allowance, and it's on the members to buy their own uniforms (desire being to put the onus on them to take care of them, I guess).

 

[notlongago]

You have added precisely nothing to the conversation and should be treated like the dunce you are.

Digital insults - another sign of mental superiority. Cant wait to see whats next.

 

[h-hawk]

Smoke ring-wild.

 

[h-hawk]

I think if enough stuff like this got to the Russian public, Putin would be gone.

 

[DogBoyRy]

@SSG T or someone else can comment, but I think the U.S. has for a long time provided a uniform allowance, and it's on the members to buy their own uniforms (desire being to put the onus on them to take care of them, I guess).

Not in all cases.