This team will beat Iowa State
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I've been daring to think the same since last night. But I haven't watched Iowa State yet this year. One thing I do know, if we take care of business against the guys we should beat in nonconference play we can't finish worse than 9-3, and we'll have three top 100 wins and 3 top 100 losses.
But wow....that Iowa State game and no slip ups...and 10-2 would look pretty good.
But wow....that Iowa State game and no slip ups...and 10-2 would look pretty good.
I hate to say it, but I don't know if that will happen based on last night. Don't get me wrong, I would love for a Hawkeye victory, but I highly doubt that ISU will go 5-23 from the 3 point line. FSU had some open looks and just couldn't hit them. We can't give Long and Cooke those open looks, even Niang and Morris, and expect them to miss.
Iowa matches up well against anyone if they can keep their hot 3 pt shooting and rebound well.
Iowa St has superior talent, but not much depth, so their margin for error in regards to injuries or foul trouble is slim.
If Iowa chooses to drive on Iowa State and get to the line, they'll be in the game. If Iowa tries to run with Iowa St and settle for jump shots.....they will lose by double digits (ex - last year in Iowa City).
Iowa St has superior talent, but not much depth, so their margin for error in regards to injuries or foul trouble is slim.
If Iowa chooses to drive on Iowa State and get to the line, they'll be in the game. If Iowa tries to run with Iowa St and settle for jump shots.....they will lose by double digits (ex - last year in Iowa City).
I like our team and think we will be solid, but I think we have very next to zero chance to beat ISU at Hilton. I root against the Clones every game, but dang they are good and they know it. The thing that bothers me about comparing them and Iowa is they seems to just have an incredible confidence in themselves and expect to win. Our guys over the last few years too often take a passive approach when things start go south leading to missed shots/FTs, turnovers, and defensive breakdowns. Now this could just be my perception based on watching Iowa all the time and ISU only here and there, and Jok certainly had the gusto/confidence to attempt to make things happen last night. Hope I am wrong on this, and what do I know? I thought the football team would be lucky to win 7.
Before FSU and after Advocare, I'd say no way. Still think it's a long shot in Ames. With the dynamic we have with that school right now, I think it's better to have the attitude of no expectations on that game. If they play like they have nothing to lose, they might have a shot. If they play tight, it's a loss.
Who guards who? I don't see Woodbury matching up well with McKay. McKay has little offensive game but his athleticism against Woodbury will probably lead to plenty of garbage/transition buckets
Last year hinged almost completely on Iowas mental collapse in the first two minutes of the second half, where they turned the ball over like 8 times in a row without even getting a shot off. Half of which were pretty much unforced.
It didn't have anything to do with shot selection or pace if play.
This is just ludicrous.... @Hilton, we haven't been defending the 3 point line all that well, and they got too much talent along with much more rest. If we keep it within 10, I'll be happy.
The thing about Iowa this year in comparison to the last time they visited Hilton is that now they have a few players that the fan base feels comfortable in hitting a last second shot. Two years ago they didn't.
Exactly. Iowa St speeds things up with a lot of people, forces hurried shots and/or turnovers and they end up scoring a ton of points in transition. Those mini-runs are how Iowa St won the majority of their games last year.
Nice optimism. But, no.
While there is always a chance at an upset, 'clones have the better team. And, it's not really that close.
isu is legitimate top 10. Hawks are maybe top 40.
While there is always a chance at an upset, 'clones have the better team. And, it's not really that close.
isu is legitimate top 10. Hawks are maybe top 40.
Woodbury will be fine just like he is every game.
Just about every week some one posts "Woodbury can't match up with X", and then he goes out and gets his 8-10 points and rebounds , plays good D and sets screens.
It's like no ones ever actually watched him play, he runs the floor better than 95% of 7 footers.
Woodbury as usual will be the least of our concerns.
Woodbury guarded Niang the last two years and Niang averaged 20ppg in those games.
I haven't seen Iowa play that much this year but from what I saw they haven't been very good in transition defense. That could be a big issue and Woodbury can't keep up with McKay
It wasn't anything to do with being sped up, that's the reality of it.
It was just straight effing up by Iowa under little to no pressure.
Hawks weren't even pushing the ball.
The only pressure was mental and they collapsed.
2 things I think can make this a good game. Not saying Iowa will win but give us a great shot. The first is the refs. Basically if they call a game like Dayton where they are calling it close could be to Iowa's advantage in ISU's depth on the bench is slim. Granted their top 7 is very very good but if Niang or McKay get into foul trouble that could hurt them with lack of production after those 2 in the post. Against NDSU only played 7 guys until last minute or 2 which was pretty close until ISU ran them out of the building in last 10 min. In first game that's what happened Niang and McKay picked up some early fouls and allowed Colorado to hang around. 2nd is kind of obvious 3 point shooting. ISU has shown when they have an off night behind the arc a team of lesser talent can hang around with how much they shoot the long ball. Point and case UAB. If Iowa can shoot around or above avg and ISU below could make it a lot closer game or dare I say a win.
Had Marble 2 years ago.... I think everyone was comfortable with him taking last second shots.
Pretty simple, if Iowa is hitting the 3's then we have a pretty good chance. If not, we're toast. Lots of parity in college basketball and 3's are the great equalizer. ISU has played more to potential the past couple of games vs Iowa than we have, maybe we are due for a poor game on their part.
He guarded him some of the time.
Niang is an outlier because his outside game is more like a guard. He's a terrible defensive matchup for any post player.
I'm sure McKay will get some transition buckets but so will Iowa, that's not going to decide the game.
Woodbury just matched up with probably the most athletic team we will see all year in FSU and did fine .
The most intriguing matchups to me will be Niang vs Uthoff and Jok vs Nader if he's at the 3.
Last year was really a tale of 2 halves. Woody did a great job on him in first half and he really struggled. Unfortunately Morris kept getting in the lane with ease and Long and Nader were killing us from down town. 2nd half every clone lit Iowa up especially Niang. May see Uthoff on him more and Woody on McKay this year to start is my guess.
Woodbury hopefully won't guard Niang at all but definitely won't be on him if McKay is in too.
Marble was brutal on last second shots. I think someone posted a stat once on his FG percentage on shots at the end of the game to win or tie, and it was really bad. That being said, I think ISU beats us by 15 or more. Morris is going to destroy our guards with dribble penetration.
That's true. Yet when the game was on the line McCabe was the only one Iowa St left open and he barely hit rim.
It was actually in and out but he was WIDE open. Can't believe ISU gave up a look like that up 3
Just throwing this out there. I was at the ISU game Tuesday night when they played NDSU and ISU shot 5-26 from three. It was a 2 point game with about 8 mins left, so it seems ISU is not as unbeatable as some on here think. Now I'm not saying they'll shoot that bad against us, because they always seem to bring their A game, but I do think we'll be competitive.
Naz Long can be the equalizer or not. He had surgery on both hips in the off season, twice on one hip I believe and seemed to hurt it again in a recent game after hitting 6 of 9 threes in one game this year.
As for McKay not having any offense he is averaging 14 points and 11.8 rebounds this season including games scoring 23 and 25 and rebounds of 17 and 19 in 30 minutes a game. I don't remember his name but ISU will have a very good addition to the team for the next semester.
The Cyclones were 7-27 from three with North Dakota State, very bad for them but they still shot 50i% from the field compared to only 36.1 for NDS.
As for McKay not having any offense he is averaging 14 points and 11.8 rebounds this season including games scoring 23 and 25 and rebounds of 17 and 19 in 30 minutes a game. I don't remember his name but ISU will have a very good addition to the team for the next semester.
The Cyclones were 7-27 from three with North Dakota State, very bad for them but they still shot 50i% from the field compared to only 36.1 for NDS.
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Everyone knows ISU eats carbon and iron and poops out steel. They are fantastic!!! Absolutely amazing. It's best that Iowa win on the 5th and the 7th so we'll feel better after the utter demolition we face on the 10th. Because KenPom can't possibly be right that they are only the 15th best team in the nation while Iowa is 22nd. No, that would indicate Iowa has a chance!
We don't have a chance. Ames has great water.
We don't have a chance. Ames has great water.
I think it'll be a very competitive game. If Jok and Uthoff are hitting from outside Iowa could absolutely win. The Cyclones can present a lot of problems, but they are by no means an elite team at this point.
I wouldn't hold your breath. This Iowa team is worse than last year and Iowa State is at least as good as last year.
I believe Iowa CAN beat and play with Iowa State, although its hard to argue that they seem to play with more swagger and confidence then our guys. I think last nights win was BIG in that hopefully our guys were able to gain some confidence and know that they can win each and every time they step out onto the floor.
Would love to see our guys play much more fearless and we absolutely cannot make lazy passes.
Florida State was a lot like Iowa State in that they will want to up-tempo the hell out of us and I agree I don't see them clunking the open threes like the Seminoles did.
Wont lie, kind of nervous about the game against the clones. Is it just me... cannot stand how cocky Nader plays and acts. I hope our play wipes the shit-eating-grin off his face
Guess we will find out soon enough if these guys are up to Hilton challenge but first things first lets win the game on Saturday (both games on Saturday would be nice)
Would love to see our guys play much more fearless and we absolutely cannot make lazy passes.
Florida State was a lot like Iowa State in that they will want to up-tempo the hell out of us and I agree I don't see them clunking the open threes like the Seminoles did.
Wont lie, kind of nervous about the game against the clones. Is it just me... cannot stand how cocky Nader plays and acts. I hope our play wipes the shit-eating-grin off his face
Guess we will find out soon enough if these guys are up to Hilton challenge but first things first lets win the game on Saturday (both games on Saturday would be nice)
You wouldn't be the first team to do it. What's great about Georges is that if he and his team loses to the Hawks he will own up and tip his hat to your team. He's just a great dude.
The biggest factor in this game is Iowa's on ball defense. If they continue to play how they have this year Morris, Niang, and even Nader will dribble drive to the hoop at will and it could get ugly fast.
No way Iowa doesn't have a chance to win this game. I feel good about the game, probably because we have a group of starters that have played in Hilton. Certainly ISU will be and should be favored but I do remember 2 years ago we outplayed them for the first 35 minutes and then let it slip away.
ISU starting lineup is really good (everyone knows that) but Iowa's isn't shabby. I would think ISU won't take us for granted....or will they?
either way..will be another good test for Iowa prior to the B1G which is what non-conference games allow. Lets win Saturday and not take Western Illinois for granted (they beat Wisky).
ISU starting lineup is really good (everyone knows that) but Iowa's isn't shabby. I would think ISU won't take us for granted....or will they?
either way..will be another good test for Iowa prior to the B1G which is what non-conference games allow. Lets win Saturday and not take Western Illinois for granted (they beat Wisky).
I think McCabe's awful, punch in the gut air ball came against Wisconsin. It was WIDE open as well.
The ISU game remains the biggest stomach game for me the the past 5 years. The team played so well that game. MG missing FTs at the end still haunts me!
At the same time last year, or the end of the year?
Iowa was not very good to start the season last year if you will remember. Lots of people wondering if Fran was the guy. Then about two months latter they turned it up.
This Iowa team is IMO, clearly better than the one that played ISU last year.
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How about that 'dang good' isu defense... football, that is?
Not liking the odds. Keep it close and move on. Gonna have to be hitting on 3's and either Jok or Uthoff is going to have to have a big game.
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