This team will beat Iowa State

[SDHawkDoc]

Not as if anyone is going to confuse this message board with Firing Line with William F. Buckely, Jr., but I appreciate it when there is a more civilized tone with the back and forth. The best comebacks are those that are cleverly constructed. Multiple expletives, poor grammar, and bad language usage are signs of weak arguments and limited thinking.

I await the torrent of F-bombs in response.

 

[Ronman]

Compared to the civility espoused on CyFan toward the Hawkeyes, this board is a stroll through the park.

 

[CyCity]

If you were responding to me, you misread. I didn't say Woodbury holds people to anything.

I said he holds his own, gets his 8 -10 points and rebounds and plays good D, as well as a bunch of other things that don't show up in stats.

I can guarantee you no one will walk away from that game thinking Woodbury was over matched against McKay even though McKay may outscore him.

Sorry I misread what you said.

You guarantee there is no way Woodbury will looked over matched against McKay? If McKay puts up a lot of points and/or rebounds how did he not over match him?

 

[Lone Clone]

Sorry I misread what you said.

You guarantee there is no way Woodbury will looked over matched against McKay? If McKay puts up a lot of points and/or rebounds how did he not over match him?

McKay struggles with strong guys, and Woodbury is bigger and stronger. He might be able to out-muscle McKay. A lot depends on how the game is called (but that's always the case, and not just in the paint).

 

[CyCity]

McKay struggles with strong guys, and Woodbury is bigger and stronger. He might be able to out-muscle McKay. A lot depends on how the game is called (but that's always the case, and not just in the paint).

I think ISU is going to push tempo and Woodbury won't be able to keep up in transition

 

[Lone Clone]

I think ISU is going to push tempo and Woodbury won't be able to keep up in transition

I think that's a given. Iowa doesn't match up well against ISU in a couple of respects. For instance, the Hawks have struggled against teams with good, quick guards, and ISU has that in spades.

But either team can win this game.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Compared to the civility espoused on CyFan toward the Hawkeyes, this board is a stroll through the park.

well said.

 

[HerkysDad]

Shouldn't we call Colin and get his expert opinion on this game?

 

[hawk44ever]

I agree- this Iowa team will beat ISU on Thursday night. I have watched- in person- both teams play 2 games. The Cyclones are more talented, no doubt. However, they will be much better and deeper when Burton becomes eligible a week later. That is not the main reason we will win Thursday night- remember, they have a new coach. This is not the well-oiled Hoiberg machine from last year. This group is still trying to get a feel for the game, even with all their experience and talent. They look lost at times on offense and resort to individual one on one play. They will get it together by February but we beat them Thursday night. We also have a lot of experience and the same game plan and philosophy. Mac will (and should) outcoach Prohm on Thursday night. 99.l9% guaranteed.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

I like our team and think we will be solid, but I think we have very next to zero chance to beat ISU at Hilton. I root against the Clones every game, but dang they are good and they know it. The thing that bothers me about comparing them and Iowa is they seems to just have an incredible confidence in themselves and expect to win. Our guys over the last few years too often take a passive approach when things start go south leading to missed shots/FTs, turnovers, and defensive breakdowns. Now this could just be my perception based on watching Iowa all the time and ISU only here and there, and Jok certainly had the gusto/confidence to attempt to make things happen last night. Hope I am wrong on this, and what do I know? I thought the football team would be lucky to win 7.

This is how I feel about wrestling except switch the teams.

 

[CyCity]

I agree- this Iowa team will beat ISU on Thursday night. I have watched- in person- both teams play 2 games. The Cyclones are more talented, no doubt. However, they will be much better and deeper when Burton becomes eligible a week later. That is not the main reason we will win Thursday night- remember, they have a new coach. This is not the well-oiled Hoiberg machine from last year. This group is still trying to get a feel for the game, even with all their experience and talent. They look lost at times on offense and resort to individual one on one play. They will get it together by February but we beat them Thursday night. We also have a lot of experience and the same game plan and philosophy. Mac will (and should) outcoach Prohm on Thursday night. 99.l9% guaranteed.

ISU is averaging 87 ppg

 

[hawk44ever]

ISU is averaging 87 ppg

I was at the game last night and there is no way they are playing well right now- and you know it. That was a close game until the 6:00 mark. Shooters left wide open- McKay had hands of stone, Morris looked disinterested, Long off. Niang showed up. Baseline given up 3-4 times, box-outs not happening, out of bounds plays not run correctly. ISU will be a very good team this year- top 10, but not on Thursday night. Hawks win by 12 and are ranked top 25 next week.

 

[CyCity]

I was at the game last night and there is no way they are playing well right now- and you know it. That was a close game until the 6:00 mark. Shooters left wide open- McKay had hands of stone, Morris looked disinterested, Long off. Niang showed up. Baseline given up 3-4 times, box-outs not happening, out of bounds plays not run correctly. ISU will be a very good team this year- top 10, but not on Thursday night. Hawks win by 12 and are ranked top 25 next week.

I was at the game last night and I thought they looked terrible. McKay was trying to do much and besides Niang/Cooke they looked liked they were sleep walking through the game. The thing is they still won by 21 pts and scored 84 pts and I expect them to play with a little more fire Thursday. I also don't know how Iowa is going to match up with ISU. Jok on Nader? Woodbury vs McKay in transition? ISU should have it's chances to exploit some mismatches

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I was at the game last night and there is no way they are playing well right now- and you know it. That was a close game until the 6:00 mark. Shooters left wide open- McKay had hands of stone, Morris looked disinterested, Long off. Niang showed up. Baseline given up 3-4 times, box-outs not happening, out of bounds plays not run correctly. ISU will be a very good team this year- top 10, but not on Thursday night. Hawks win by 12 and are ranked top 25 next week.

I like your optimism. I'm guessing Iowa State's intensity will be at a little different level for Iowa, though. I was actually at the Buffalo/ISU game last night too. Before the season started, I was thinking their was no way Iowa had a chance at Hilton. I would now give their chances a little above slight.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I was at the game last night and I thought they looked terrible. McKay was trying to do much and besides Niang/Cooke they looked liked they were sleep walking through the game. The thing is they still won by 21 pts and scored 84 pts and I expect them to play with a little more fire Thursday. I also don't know how Iowa is going to match up with ISU. Jok on Nader? Woodbury vs McKay in transition? ISU should have it's chances to exploit some mismatches

I would say they looked "disinterested" as opposed to "terrible."

 

[Lone Clone]

I was at the game last night and I thought they looked terrible. McKay was trying to do much and besides Niang/Cooke they looked liked they were sleep walking through the game. The thing is they still won by 21 pts and scored 84 pts and I expect them to play with a little more fire Thursday. I also don't know how Iowa is going to match up with ISU. Jok on Nader? Woodbury vs McKay in transition? ISU should have it's chances to exploit some mismatches

They weren't focused at all against the Bulls, and they were trying to do crap they presumably won't try against better opponents. Basically, they were trying to make too many spectacular plays. You can't get an alley-oop on EVERY trip down the court, guys.

My concern about tomorrow night -- besides the fact Iowa is a decent team -- is that it's Prohm's first big game as ISU coach. If Fred were still there, I'd put the probabilities of an ISU win well over 90%.

 

[HerkyFan]

Compared to the civility espoused on CyFan toward the Hawkeyes, this board is a stroll through the park.

Wait clone fans act like douches? Is this really breaking news? In fact if you talk to or read Propaganda Pete acting like a douche is a badge of honor to be worn proudly by isu fans, players, coaches and AD.

 

[thewop]

I think we match up very well with them. We will right the ship this year.

Go Hawks!

After reading the thread title, I opened it expecting to see a picture of the Kansas basketball team.

Seriously though, I've just not been attuned to this game yet (Rose Bowl baby). Go Hawks, I hope we can do it. My feeling is we have too many young guys going into a truly hostile environment. It'll be a "win" from an experience perspective in the long run, but not on the scoreboard Thursday night. This should help prepare the younger guys for most road environments in B1G play.

 

[Hawkfreak2k15]

Any rivalry game should be competitive. I think Iowa definitely has a chance to come out with the W. They almost need a perfect game though. Playing at Hilton is such a huge disadvantage.

 

[StormHawk42]

Haven't read through this thread really, but has this game snuck up on any other Hawk fans? After the big ten championship game, I was looking at the basketball schedule and, holy crap, we play ISU this week. Doesn't really feel like there has been a lot of buildup for this one. That can obviously be attributed to the Iowa football team I suppose.

 

[Lone Clone]

Haven't read through this thread really, but has this game snuck up on any other Hawk fans? After the big ten championship game, I was looking at the basketball schedule and, holy crap, we play ISU this week. Doesn't really feel like there has been a lot of buildup for this one. That can obviously be attributed to the Iowa football team I suppose.

It snuck up on me, too. We aren't going to the Rose Bowl, but we're going through the throes of a coaching change, so I've been thinking football, too.

Besides, basketball ain't football. If Iowa pulls off the upset tomorrow, I'll be bummed for a day or two and you guys will be able to give us crap for a year, but it won't have much effect on the season. ISU lost to a mediocre Iowa team in '01 and still won the Big XII.

 

[hawk-i bob]

It snuck up on me, too. We aren't going to the Rose Bowl, but we're going through the throes of a coaching change, so I've been thinking football, too.

Besides, basketball ain't football. If Iowa pulls off the upset tomorrow, I'll be bummed for a day or two and you guys will be able to give us crap for a year, but it won't have much effect on the season. ISU lost to a mediocre Iowa team in '01 and still won the Big XII.

that Iowa mediocre team you are referring to did win 4 straight games in the BTT (knocking off some not so mediocre B1G teams) to claim the BTT Championship...assuming by 01 you are referring to 2000-2001. If not the 2002 team did win 3 straight BTT games.

Just saying "mediocre" sounds a little low.

 

[CanadaHawk]

At Ames, Iowa is likely to lose Thursday’s game. But there are some fallacies in this thread. ISU’s bench is NOT deep. They have 7 players who average more than 3 minutes a game. Unlike years past, Iowa is statistically a better 3pt shooting team this year than ISU. Now ISU is a more physical team. The last few years it’s always been a length vs strength/quickness type of game. But ISU is not going to out-veteran Iowa. The 2 teams are actually similarly constructed that way. The game is in Ames and ISU is highly ranked for a reason. They are expected to win. Iowa is the best team they have faced to date. It would be a good win for ISU. However, it would be a devastating loss. That program is in transition now, with a new coach trying to impress recruits. For Iowa, on the other hand, they are expected to lose. It’s really just a strength-of-schedule game for them in the big picture. I’m expecting ISU to out-physical Iowa, get some calls, and win in Ames. But last year’s TO fest isn’t going to happen with 2 starting veteran PGs. Iowa could make it uncomfortably close for ISU, especially if they shoot well.

 

[hawk-i bob]

At Ames, Iowa is likely to lose Thursday’s game. But there are some fallacies in this thread. ISU’s bench is NOT deep. They have 7 players who average more than 3 minutes a game. Unlike years past, Iowa is statistically a better 3pt shooting team this year than ISU. Now ISU is a more physical team. The last few years it’s always been a length vs strength/quickness type of game. But ISU is not going to out-veteran Iowa. The 2 teams are actually similarly constructed that way. The game is in Ames and ISU is highly ranked for a reason. They are expected to win. Iowa is the best team they have faced to date. It would be a good win for ISU. However, it would be a devastating loss. That program is in transition now, with a new coach trying to impress recruits. For Iowa, on the other hand, they are expected to lose. It’s really just a strength-of-schedule game for them in the big picture. I’m expecting ISU to out-physical Iowa, get some calls, and win in Ames. But last year’s TO fest isn’t going to happen with 2 starting veteran PGs. Iowa could make it uncomfortably close for ISU, especially if they shoot well.

good post...I'm not sure it would be a devastating loss to ISU though. Sure they want to take their win streak over us to 3 years in a row...but if we knock them off I would think it wouldn't take long for them to look at the bigger picture..which is and should be their conference games.

I know if we had to lose 1...I'll take a loss to ISU and a win over MichSt on Dec 28th anytime.
OK lets win both...greed is a good thing.

 

[Lone Clone]

that Iowa mediocre team you are referring to did win 4 straight games in the BTT (knocking off some not so mediocre B1G teams) to claim the BTT Championship...assuming by 01 you are referring to 2000-2001. If not the 2002 team did win 3 straight BTT games.

Just saying "mediocre" sounds a little low.

that Iowa mediocre team you are referring to did win 4 straight games in the BTT (knocking off some not so mediocre B1G teams) to claim the BTT Championship...assuming by 01 you are referring to 2000-2001. If not the 2002 team did win 3 straight BTT games.

Just saying "mediocre" sounds a little low.

Losing season in the conference, finished in the middle of the pack, didn't reach 20 wins.....that's kinda the definition of mediocre: Not good, not bad.

 

[Lone Clone]

good post...I'm not sure it would be a devastating loss to ISU though. Sure they want to take their win streak over us to 3 years in a row...but if we knock them off I would think it wouldn't take long for them to look at the bigger picture..which is and should be their conference games.

I know if we had to lose 1...I'll take a loss to ISU and a win over MichSt on Dec 28th anytime.
OK lets win both...greed is a good thing.

Absolutely. Give me a choice between Iowa and Kansas and it isn't even close.

 

[Lone Clone]

At Ames, Iowa is likely to lose Thursday’s game. But there are some fallacies in this thread. ISU’s bench is NOT deep. They have 7 players who average more than 3 minutes a game. Unlike years past, Iowa is statistically a better 3pt shooting team this year than ISU. Now ISU is a more physical team. The last few years it’s always been a length vs strength/quickness type of game. But ISU is not going to out-veteran Iowa. The 2 teams are actually similarly constructed that way. The game is in Ames and ISU is highly ranked for a reason. They are expected to win. Iowa is the best team they have faced to date. It would be a good win for ISU. However, it would be a devastating loss. That program is in transition now, with a new coach trying to impress recruits. For Iowa, on the other hand, they are expected to lose. It’s really just a strength-of-schedule game for them in the big picture. I’m expecting ISU to out-physical Iowa, get some calls, and win in Ames. But last year’s TO fest isn’t going to happen with 2 starting veteran PGs. Iowa could make it uncomfortably close for ISU, especially if they shoot well.

Much of what you say is true, starting with the fallacies in the thread. One guy suggested Iowa would win if it could force ISU to run instead of play a half-court game. Another guy said ISU was deep. I suspect these are guys who couldn't find Ames with a GPS and a native guide.

This is the kind of game I hate; just hoping not to lose instead of hoping to win. It's a no-lose proposition for Iowa, no pressure whatever.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Losing season in the conference, finished in the middle of the pack, didn't reach 20 wins.....that's kinda the definition of mediocre: Not good, not bad.

We also lost Recker due to injury...take a Morris or a Niang off your team and see what happens. Iowa was 23-12 so not sure about didn't reach 20 wins...Oh maybe you are not counting the last 5 or 6 games? Winning the BTT & a NCAA berth isn't a not good, not bad..its certainly not mediocre team...but carry on referencing everything you like find to play the typical ISU intelligence when it comes to Iowa.

This my friend is why I will never root for ISU when you don't play us and hope for nothing but the worse for your teams. Its this blindness that makes rubbing shoulders worse then hitting myself with a hammer. Didn't use to be that way. I loved watching the ISU teams with Don Smith,, etc.

ISU fans are over the top...just like the one who calls a BTT champion NCAA tournament team "mediocre".

 

[hoythawk]

Absolutely. Give me a choice between Iowa and Kansas and it isn't even close.

SURE IT ISN'T

 

[Cydkar]

We also lost Recker due to injury...take a Morris or a Niang off your team and see what happens. Iowa was 23-12 so not sure about didn't reach 20 wins...Oh maybe you are not counting the last 5 or 6 games? Winning the BTT & a NCAA berth isn't a not good, not bad..its certainly not mediocre team...but carry on referencing everything you like find to play the typical ISU intelligence when it comes to Iowa.

This my friend is why I will never root for ISU when you don't play us and hope for nothing but the worse for your teams. Its this blindness that makes rubbing shoulders worse then hitting myself with a hammer. Didn't use to be that way. I loved watching the ISU teams with Don Smith,, etc.

ISU fans are over the top...just like the one who calls a BTT champion NCAA tournament team "mediocre".

Lone Clone says silly things that aren't true as if he's getting paid to do it.

 

[Lone Clone]

We also lost Recker due to injury...take a Morris or a Niang off your team and see what happens. Iowa was 23-12 so not sure about didn't reach 20 wins...Oh maybe you are not counting the last 5 or 6 games? Winning the BTT & a NCAA berth isn't a not good, not bad..its certainly not mediocre team...but carry on referencing everything you like find to play the typical ISU intelligence when it comes to Iowa.

This my friend is why I will never root for ISU when you don't play us and hope for nothing but the worse for your teams. Its this blindness that makes rubbing shoulders worse then hitting myself with a hammer. Didn't use to be that way. I loved watching the ISU teams with Don Smith,, etc.

ISU fans are over the top...just like the one who calls a BTT champion NCAA tournament team "mediocre".

Iowa was 18-9 in the regular season, 7-9 in the league. I guarantee you that if ISU has those numbers at the end of this season, the fans will not be calling it a good season.

If you don't like the word "mediocre," that's your privilege. It was not one of Iowa's best seasons, how's that?

You may have loved watching the teams with Smith, but Iowa refused to play them. Which is a major reason so many Cyclone fans root against Iowa whenever the opportunity arises.

 

[HerkyFan]

Iowa was 18-9 in the regular season, 7-9 in the league. I guarantee you that if ISU has those numbers at the end of this season, the fans will not be calling it a good season.

If you don't like the word "mediocre," that's your privilege. It was not one of Iowa's best seasons, how's that?

You may have loved watching the teams with Smith, but Iowa refused to play them. Which is a major reason so many Cyclone fans root against Iowa whenever the opportunity arises.

isu has always been little bro and always will be. Certain and select time frames are all clone fans are left with. Well that and their bogus SOS arguments.

 

[Ronman]

good post...I'm not sure it would be a devastating loss to ISU though. Sure they want to take their win streak over us to 3 years in a row...but if we knock them off I would think it wouldn't take long for them to look at the bigger picture..which is and should be their conference games.

I know if we had to lose 1...I'll take a loss to ISU and a win over MichSt on Dec 28th anytime.
OK lets win both...greed is a good thing.

It may not be a devastating loss to the team, but it would be a crushing defeat to the Clown fans. Beating Iowa in basketball is really all they've got left

 

[hawk-i bob]

Iowa was 18-9 in the regular season, 7-9 in the league. I guarantee you that if ISU has those numbers at the end of this season, the fans will not be calling it a good season.

If you don't like the word "mediocre," that's your privilege. It was not one of Iowa's best seasons, how's that?

You may have loved watching the teams with Smith, but Iowa refused to play them. Which is a major reason so many Cyclone fans root against Iowa whenever the opportunity arises.

in typical ISU fashion...you ignore the BTT Championship..you ignore a NCAA tournament berth..you ignore the fact Iowa lost one of their best players...which I believe at the time Iowa was highly ranked. So all you got is to backtrack from calling a team with these accomplishments "mediocre". Congrats you just proved you are indeed an ISU fan.

if ISU would happen to lose a Morris or a Niang and finished 18-9, 7&9 with a Big12 Tourney championship & a NCAA invite along with a 1st round win...you & your buddies would not be calling your team "mediocre". You'd be saying we did pretty good considering we lost one of our top players. But see you ISU people can't take the blinders off when it comes to Iowa.

the majority of your ISU people were not even around when Smith played..you really think the fact Iowa did not start playing ISU in basketball til the middle 70's is "today" the reason why ISU fans root against Iowa? Give your bias brain a break.

 

[hawk-i bob]

It may not be a devastating loss to the team, but it would be a crushing defeat to the Clown fans. Beating Iowa in basketball is really all they've got left

Oh you are spot on. I was referring to the ISU players. Yes ISU fans will be ready to self-commit mode.

 

[HerkyFan]

It may not be a devastating loss to the team, but it would be a crushing defeat to the Clown fans. Beating Iowa in basketball is really all they've got left

This is not true. isu beat Big bro Iowa in men's and women's cross-country. I almost typed that without laughing.

 

[CeMar_Clone]

SURE IT ISN'T

Based upon Stub Hub prices, the Iowa game is an average game price wise.

All tickets for the remainder of the season are resale tickets. Here are the price ranges for conference games and Iowa:

KU 167 to 1500
OU 95 to 750
OSU 85 to 750
KSU 95 to 223
UT 75 to 295
TCU 84 to 205
BU 50 to 223
WV 50 to 223
TT 39 to 278

Iowa 55 to 250

Based on this, Iowa tickets are as valued as Texas Tech tickets, the least desireable Big 12 game. Just going by the minimum resale for each game, their are 6 school in Big 12 play that are demanding higher ticket prices than Iowa. So I guess this means the Iowa game is the 7th most important game on the Home slate in Ames.

Heck, the most expensive Iowa tickets price wise would be a steal for the KU game.

 

[5Fan5]

Based upon Stub Hub prices, the Iowa game is an average game price wise.

All tickets for the remainder of the season are resale tickets. Here are the price ranges for conference games and Iowa:

KU 167 to 1500
OU 95 to 750
OSU 85 to 750
KSU 95 to 223
UT 75 to 295
TCU 84 to 205
BU 50 to 223
WV 50 to 223
TT 39 to 278

Iowa 55 to 250

Based on this, Iowa tickets are as valued as Texas Tech tickets, the least desireable Big 12 game. Just going by the minimum resale for each game, their are 6 school in Big 12 play that are demanding higher ticket prices than Iowa. So I guess this means the Iowa game is the 7th most important game on the Home slate in Ames.

Does the isu AD's office print a manual of 'clone debating points'? This was heard (and is retrievable here on HR, I believe), early on in the football schedule. Or, maybe it was that Iowa was only the second (meaning next to last) toughest opponent that isu would face on the field in 2015. In either case, you can see just how foolish those claims were then and continue to be now.

For anyone to argue that isu does not covet the possibility to beat Iowa and that it is not paramount in many of their fan's minds is only kidding oneself.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Based upon Stub Hub prices, the Iowa game is an average game price wise.

All tickets for the remainder of the season are resale tickets. Here are the price ranges for conference games and Iowa:

KU 167 to 1500
OU 95 to 750
OSU 85 to 750
KSU 95 to 223
UT 75 to 295
TCU 84 to 205
BU 50 to 223
WV 50 to 223
TT 39 to 278

Iowa 55 to 250

Based on this, Iowa tickets are as valued as Texas Tech tickets, the least desireable Big 12 game. Just going by the minimum resale for each game, their are 6 school in Big 12 play that are demanding higher ticket prices than Iowa. So I guess this means the Iowa game is the 7th most important game on the Home slate in Ames.

Holly Cow ... you spent the time to research this? OK...the Iowa BB game in Ames is not as important to ISU as others based on stub hub..feel better? I'm so glad I wasn't raised in Story county and nearby. I can't wait til tomorrow is over so you can go back to ISU Report and you can converse with your fellas.

...help me.

 

[hoythawk]

Based upon Stub Hub prices, the Iowa game is an average game price wise.

All tickets for the remainder of the season are resale tickets. Here are the price ranges for conference games and Iowa:

KU 167 to 1500
OU 95 to 750
OSU 85 to 750
KSU 95 to 223
UT 75 to 295
TCU 84 to 205
BU 50 to 223
WV 50 to 223
TT 39 to 278

Iowa 55 to 250

Based on this, Iowa tickets are as valued as Texas Tech tickets, the least desireable Big 12 game. Just going by the minimum resale for each game, their are 6 school in Big 12 play that are demanding higher ticket prices than Iowa. So I guess this means the Iowa game is the 7th most important game on the Home slate in Ames.

Heck, the most expensive Iowa tickets price wise would be a steal for the KU game.

I would guess most of your season ticket holders keep their Iowa tickets to watch their super bowl game.