Took us out of our game. Allowed them to dictate the pace.
Expect more from Illinois.
Expect more from Illinois.
Tough man to man from the Hoosiers
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Kinda wonder what Iowa's record is in BigTen games when Paul Szelc and Courtney Green are officials?
I know I often cringe when I see them when I watch any BigTen games..... they are horrible
I know I often cringe when I see them when I watch any BigTen games..... they are horrible
They really did play great help D.
Missing CJF really hurt.
Toussaint can get to the rim at will on anyone in this league.
Missing CJF really hurt.
Toussaint can get to the rim at will on anyone in this league.
Yep. People will complain about the loss I'm sure but holy smokes Indiana's defense was impressive
I thought our ball / player movement was lacking.... too much dribbling as well. Defensive pressure seemed to bother our cuts.... course some could argue freedom of movement was being impeded?
Defense is easy when you only have to key on two guys. Fran made it easy by refusing to play Murray or Toussaint.
Played great defense. Got up in Iowa’s grill and a bunch of experienced players for Iowa backed down
Jesus Joe. Come the **** on
Good scouting on their part too. They knew exactly who they could sag off on from 3 pt range. Not having that 3rd 3 point shooter (CJ) in the game made it easy for them to double Garza while still making sure Bohannon and Joe W didn't get open looks.
The difference in our 1st half vs 2nd half offense was crazy. Really missed CJ in 2nd half, offense just didn't flow without him.
joeT can get to rim but whether he finishes or turns it over before he gets to the rim is the question.
If you knew ahead of time that JBo wouldn't make any shots, then JoeT was certainly an upgrade. I suppose Fran should have figured it out sooner than waiting until last 2 minutes to get a better defensive unit out there.
Like everybody except Garza.
Murray still played aggressive but he doesn’t fit in the category of our experienced players.
yes we missed healthy CJ. He hasn't really been much of a factor in last 5 games. JBO did have a few clean looks and he blew those shots. Not that he missed badly, but he is such a good shooter you expect him to drain a good look.
Murray was good. Gave the effort he typically does. Wish some of the experienced guys had his mindset
Weak shit Joe. Create your own shot. You can’t always take what the defense gives you
Yes it was.
When it was called late in the game to allow Weiskamp to go make 1 of 2 clutch FTs, it was one of those calls where you're thinking the refs are thinking, "Oh yeah....that's been happening all game.....I should probably call that now."
IU did play a great defensive second half for sure. That freshman that they put on Garza was impressive in that ten minute run. Imagine if IU could shoot threes or free throws. It's one game. Your team will be fine. I'd be more concerned about Fran's health. JK
Yep.
Yep.
& Yep... Hats off Indiana for playing outstanding D in the second half & the combo of Fran not putting in the lock down D unit until it was too late kinda did it for the Hawks. When the shots aren’t falling gotta be able get to the RAC to take pressure off Luca and get better looks from 3.
Agree. Once they recognized Jbo was off they tightened up on Weiser and that was it. That’s really the recipe to beat Iowa. Let Luka have his and slow down outside shooting.
Ya, was a bad sign when Iowa would get it inside and then kick it out and still not have open looks. Indiana closed out so fast.
Seriously, they're awful. Nothing like calling fouls after waiting to see if a shot goes in.
I have been critical of Big 10 officiating for years. Not just in Iowa games. And not just when the Hawks lose.
The officiating did NOT determine the outcome last night. But good grief, something needs to be done. Some teams (Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Purdue), are allowed to hack, mug, and hand check at will, while other teams get called for fouls just by breathing too hard on the other player.
Garza gets assaulted nearly every time he gets the ball down low.....yet Nunge and JoeT get whistled for phantom touch fouls.
The officiating did NOT determine the outcome last night. But good grief, something needs to be done. Some teams (Indiana, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Purdue), are allowed to hack, mug, and hand check at will, while other teams get called for fouls just by breathing too hard on the other player.
Garza gets assaulted nearly every time he gets the ball down low.....yet Nunge and JoeT get whistled for phantom touch fouls.
Agreed. Iowa would have had a much better chance if there had been consistency in the foul calling last night.
Indiana is a nightmare match up for Iowa and this type of team will pose a significant challenge come NCAA tourney time. On one hand I haven't seen Indiana play that level of D all year. On the other, Iowa's guards are very easy to defend with even moderate ball pressure. Connor and Jbo are not quick enough to get past anybody and they knew it so they got up into them.
IMO Fran should have looked to Joe T, Perkins, and Ulis in some combination in the second half during the prolonged scoring drought. Murray was the only guy (when he was in) that was capable of driving. Compare this to IU with multiple dribble, drive, kick / score threats and it was just a bad match up.
It's one game but IU showed that Iowa is Garza and 3-point shooting and without both clicking is a very easy team to defend.
IMO Fran should have looked to Joe T, Perkins, and Ulis in some combination in the second half during the prolonged scoring drought. Murray was the only guy (when he was in) that was capable of driving. Compare this to IU with multiple dribble, drive, kick / score threats and it was just a bad match up.
It's one game but IU showed that Iowa is Garza and 3-point shooting and without both clicking is a very easy team to defend.
This began last season when he became the man for Iowa. If they called all the fouls committed on Garza, he would average 40 points a game and shooting a record number of free throws. I just can't understand the officials attitude toward him. I can't think of any player who was allowed to be banged, pushed, and smacked like Luka is, well really, ever.
This is still a guard's game. I expect iowa to continue to struggle when t hey face quicker more athletic guards - which you see a ton of in t he NCAA tourney. Garza will get his #'s, but when Bohanon isn't a threat to drive and isn't making 3's teams don't gaurd him.....Credit to Indiana - they adjusted at half and executed well.
The "bad" Iowa defense also s howed up in the 2nd half - Let's hope that goes away.
This was a combination of Fredrick being unable to go in the second half and Bohannon having a bad shooting night,.. From Indiana's perspective, once you remove CJ and Jordan as outside threats you can concentrate more on the interior, dial up the pressure on Wieskamp and more easily collapse on Garza,.. Connor isn't a significant offensive threat so you just play off of him,.. Que Sera Sera, I hope CJ is back soon.
Great defense is all about being allowed to be physical, grab, hold, and push without retribution from the referees. That was very apparent watching last nights game. It was Indiana's only hope of pulling off an upset and Iowa didn't adjust to the way the game was being called.
That has always been Iowa's kryptonite, whether it's been against Michigan St., or Wisconsin, or any other team that pushes the defensive envelope to the max with the hope the men in stripes swallow their whistle.
To Iowa's end, yes CJ Fredrick's injury is disturbing. If it's the same injury he experienced last year he may be hampered for the rest of the season. That alone is very disturbing, along with the no show of Ahron Ulis.
As far as Jordan Bohannan performance, there's not much to add, to probably what's already been said, Iowa can't compete against any Big Ten team with a Connor McCaffery who has a pass first mentality and when Jordan is completely off on his 3 point shot and I'll finish this by saying Iowa can't continue to play defense with the hope that the other team misses open shots whether from 3 or not, sometimes you have to close the gap and get your hand up, something that seems very foreign to this team....
That has always been Iowa's kryptonite, whether it's been against Michigan St., or Wisconsin, or any other team that pushes the defensive envelope to the max with the hope the men in stripes swallow their whistle.
To Iowa's end, yes CJ Fredrick's injury is disturbing. If it's the same injury he experienced last year he may be hampered for the rest of the season. That alone is very disturbing, along with the no show of Ahron Ulis.
As far as Jordan Bohannan performance, there's not much to add, to probably what's already been said, Iowa can't compete against any Big Ten team with a Connor McCaffery who has a pass first mentality and when Jordan is completely off on his 3 point shot and I'll finish this by saying Iowa can't continue to play defense with the hope that the other team misses open shots whether from 3 or not, sometimes you have to close the gap and get your hand up, something that seems very foreign to this team....
weezy played like a sissy in the 2nd half . reminded me of uthoff against iowa st a few years back
nothing wrong with the defense indy played they were physical . officiating had very little bearing on the game .
I agree Fran should have went to JoeT and Ulis half way into the 2nd half and let Keegan play with fouls. He made the wrong moves.
But, we're half way through the season and Iowa has the second best offense in the country. You cant put up those numbers and also be easy to defend. Its just not possible.
That was the first poor offensive game of the year. Every team has a crap game or two.
CJ was out which is huge, JBO missed 4 or 5 wide open 3s, hawks missed allot of layups especially Pat, Garza got impatient and stopped passing out of triple teams, Fran got wacky with the subs and Indiana played fantastic defense.
Iowa beats Indiana 9 times out of 10.
IU isn't a nightmare matchup for anyone, let alone Iowa.
This was the 1 where everything fell in place for IU.
Indiana did not stop guarding JBO, they were all over him.
The easy looks he got were off kickouts and rebounds.
Other than that they locked him up.
Last night was bad. I’ve played in many games like that, super inconsistent reffing. It presents a mental challenge as much as physical. The one that cracked me up was when Jackson-Davis tried that dumb Blake Griffin wannabe shit on Nunge... Jack is vertical, legal as all fückout, never breaks his plane nor reach for the ball or anything, J-D uses off arm (offensive foul arguably) and flails his stupid-ass attempt... foul on Nunge lol. That was bad, and followed at least a few other similar plays where Garza or Nunge or Murray were super-vertical and not moving into guys or late or anything.
And the biggest frustration I have with games being reffed like that is it seems like it happens a lot on Iowa’s own damn court, like reverse home court advantage.
That said I want Toussaint to get more PT in games like that—not so much fir whatever he might bring on offense, but rather that he will help Iowa match that type of defensive play and intensity. Fran has that card and needs to play it. And coach Ulis and Perkins to play super-aggressively on D, too, of course within reason so bigs aren’t left in rim foul situations all the time.
That’s what makes Luka’s stats all the more impressive. He deserves national POY, but I expect it will go to someone else.
I think we missed CJ more for his presence on the court than his shooting - tho that is important too. I think we were way out of position many times allowing open dunks inside, because we had a different 5 players on the court. Murray is good, but with a new guy, it seemed like the starters (or Murray) would forget who they were guarding several times.
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