Correct this seems to have started before the football incident. I think the admin was just a little more open to letting Cael run with this pony after the football black eye so they could start building their reputation back up. Thing is this may be another black eye down the road when this is all brought to light.
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From my recollection of the sanctions, PSU agreed to be extra scrutinized athletically in all sports for a number of years. I don't think you'll find any hanky panky going on.
Not gonna argue my point any more. You know better unless you just started following NCAA wrestling a few years ago and your trying to justify the stock piling.
You mean the timeline doesn't match up when it became public? Matches up when the investigation started.
Obviously, I don't know better despite having followed youth, HS, NCAA and international wrestling for far longer than a few years and am arguing this from an individual recruit point of view rather than the team point of view that you take.
Maybe not now but I could see just about any of those younger guys making senior teams in the future. Other than Snyder and maybe Cox, I don't expect the current guys at the top to be competing past this Olympic cycle. Injury and declining skills will knock some of them off before 2020.
If you think the slush fund is big for the wrestling team, you should see what we have for the hockey team. One donor gave more than $100 million to the program
http://news.psu.edu/story/149402/20...ease-penn-state-hockey-commitment-102-million
Can't believe everything you read. In this same thread he received a full scholarship offer from Minnie and less money than others offered from Minnie. Example of why trying play fantasy GM as a fan is pointless.
He wanted to go to PSU. He went to PSU. All that matters.
He wanted to go to PSU. He went to PSU. All that matters.
What's hard to believe is that any school actually offered him a full scholarship this late in the recruiting cycle. Any team that still has 1.0 of its 9.9 available either mismanages its finances or screws over the guys already on the roster.
More likely he was offered packages that included loans, zero out of pocket today, the bill comes later.
A Goofer trolling Lions on the Hawk board. It's like Jammen only without the charm.
Crazy how you CAN NOT promise a recruite additional money upon graduation whether he takes a full, partial or no scholarship money. Would that be smarter or just more likely to skirt NCAA rules....I think that has something to do with a person's ETHICS.
Show me Air Force involved in anything. Deployed to Italy, maybe? kidding, not really. Slush fund of the DOD
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If it is almost impossible to qualify for academic aid at PS then all other aid, other than the $5000 through FAFSA elegibility would count toward the 9.9 scholarship limit. If that is not being counted and there are discussions about money being available after graduation to make up for not receiving aid it would be a violation of NCAA rules and regulations.
Other than conspiracy theorists, where does this stuff come from? Where is the smoking gun? Where is the disgruntled wrestler making these claims? I know it has become a running joke, but some of you seem to actually believe it...
It's only real if you believe. With that said. There is serious questions about what PSU is doing. It's only a matter of time before rules are changed and PSU is, yet again, shady in the public eyes. Have fun in Happy Valley...even though you are not there.
I think you are way too defensive. I never once accused anyone of anything. What I said is true, "other than "qualified" financial aid coming from the school, all aid received by an athelete would be counted toward scholarship llimits and that it is also against NCAA rules to talk of other funds being available during or after eligibility. Now if you think that applies to any particular school that would be coming from you.
This is incorrect. It may have been true at one time IDK - I think you were associated with the program at one time - but I've been through the process recently and it is the same at every school I have dealt with. You are eligible for any aid that is available to the normal student - assuming it is awarded by the same criteria as a normal student - including financial aid and it does not count towards the 9.9. Of course, any athletic aid received must be figured into the financial need analysis so that can be a sort of diminishing returns situation. Obviously all this depends on if you are eligible to receive financial aid. And as pointed out above, most aid besides state and Pell grants comes in the form of loans (which doesn't reduce cost, just defers it).
Of course there are some suggesting here (and on other boards and not just about PSU) that there is some kind of monkeying going around with aid awards. Which is ludicrous when you know that a university would put it's federal subsidies at risk if any improprieties are found awarding financial aid.
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I don't - there is simply no relationship between money and intercollegiate athletics.
What you fail to distinguish is aid given to a non counter and that given to a counter as far as scholarship eligibility. Any aid can be given to a non counter which I believe you are talking about. To a counter, one who is on any portion of an athletic scholarship, that aid must be classified as exempt not to be added to the athletic scholarship amount credited.
I'm not failing to distinguish anything. Outside aid is available to scholarship athletes in all sports (I think all) except football and basketball (which isn't relevant here as no partial scholarships are available) as long as "it is awarded solely on the basis of having no relationship to athletic ability (this is one excerpt from the NCAA guidelines that refers to this)." I'm not sure where you are getting your info from, but would hope that it's not from someone dealing with wrestling scholarships at Iowa.
TBH, it's a very confusing process - see my post above about diminishing returns - but it is not how you stated it above. Perhaps your last sentence regarding classification as exempt is adding confusion.
Not confusing. NCAA rules specify what aid is expempt when applied to a counter in any sport other than basketball and football. If it is not classified as exempt then it adds to the scholarship amount being received by that counter athelete,
Here's what I think:
Berge is going to leave PSU- too much of a geographical cultural difference from the east coast attitude.
Verk is going to be a starter, and be a national champ.
Manville will never wrestle for PSU.
Hall will never lose again in college.
Taylor won't make a world team. Cox is a standup better person, and better wrestler.
PSU wrestling club is going to continue to be second best, at that.
Berge is going to leave PSU- too much of a geographical cultural difference from the east coast attitude.
Verk is going to be a starter, and be a national champ.
Manville will never wrestle for PSU.
Hall will never lose again in college.
Taylor won't make a world team. Cox is a standup better person, and better wrestler.
PSU wrestling club is going to continue to be second best, at that.
So, simply, you are telling me that federal and state financial aid grants count against the 9.9? Because if you are not, then we are not in disagreement.
Lets talk about something other than PSU wrestling on the Hawkeye forum. Lets talk about the Titan Mercury clog. Who are they? It seems like they had the most champs at the open. Anyway where do they train from and who represents them?
I should not say the most champs, but I kept hearing and seeing their name.
I should not say the most champs, but I kept hearing and seeing their name.
Also, the PSU run will be over after Taylor/Ruth graduate.
Very few people on message boards should be taken seriously, myself included. By and large we're a bunch of keyboard jockeys.
When Brands or Tan Tom or Smith make the accusations you're making, I'll take them seriously. Message board posters? Caveat emptor.
From what I understand, Titan Mercury is not a training facility but a funding source. Run by the big money in NY that put on Beat the Streets. They simply fund raise and promote wrestling and then get behind wrestlers. For example there have been HWC members who wrestled under Titan Mercury because that was the primary source of their funding.
Thanks that makes sense and I am glad there is such a thing as that. Anything that helps the guys and supports them works for me.
Assuming there is a limit to the # of scholarships available for d1 hockey (like 9.9 for wrestling), how does this limit even matter, when you have "endowments?"
From Sullivan's linked story above:
<<UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Terrence M. and Kim Pegula, who committed $88 million in 2010 to launch Penn State’s entry into NCAA Division I hockey and construction on a state-of-the-art arena, have raised their total support for the initiative to $102 million. The additional $14 million gift was announced by Terry Pegula at the April 20 groundbreaking for the Pegula Ice Arena. The Pegulas’ total commitment includes $13 million for endowed scholarships supporting Penn State men’s hockey players in addition to $89 million for the facility.
"A program is only as strong as the student athletes who chose to dedicate their time and talent to making it great," said Pegula. "We hope that through these scholarships, Penn State will be able to build a team of rising hockey stars who will succeed athletically and academically at the University. >>
From Sullivan's linked story above:
<<UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. -- Terrence M. and Kim Pegula, who committed $88 million in 2010 to launch Penn State’s entry into NCAA Division I hockey and construction on a state-of-the-art arena, have raised their total support for the initiative to $102 million. The additional $14 million gift was announced by Terry Pegula at the April 20 groundbreaking for the Pegula Ice Arena. The Pegulas’ total commitment includes $13 million for endowed scholarships supporting Penn State men’s hockey players in addition to $89 million for the facility.
"A program is only as strong as the student athletes who chose to dedicate their time and talent to making it great," said Pegula. "We hope that through these scholarships, Penn State will be able to build a team of rising hockey stars who will succeed athletically and academically at the University. >>
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