Just means PSU doesn't have to raise money for those scholarships. Still can't spend more than the NCAA cap each year.
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Endowments have nothing to do with a scholarship. They provide money to replace the value of the scholarship given by the university. Non-revenue sports are grateful for endowments because they lessen the financial burden these sports place on the university and make them less of a target to be cut.
Endowed scholarships are common in wrestling programs.
Endowments only provide the "source of funds". In this instance, it's being obtained from a private individual, rather than traditional sources such as an athletic budget or another university funds.
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My thinking as well Papa. In my opinion, a lot of these recruits Cael is bringing in are better free style wrestlers than folk....Teasdale being one of them. I see no reason why these cadet and junior world team members and champs won't continue on the same path of success.
no question cheaters you don't like me saying tfb, lotta class coming over here telling someone to shutup,punk.
I can't wait to see the reaction and calls of cheating when PSU beats Iowa 40-0 at Bryce Jordan Center. It could end up 37-3, but I think 40-0 is more likely. What you guys should actually be concerned instead of looking at psu who gets audited by the NCAA every year is what Tigre doing and who is running your program. You fall short in both areas.
I think you should prove he's wrong or STFU. It's reasonable.
I actually don't care if you STFU but you see how that can work both ways?
White still going to tOSU? Or is he looking for greener pastures?I think you should prove he's wrong or STFU. It's reasonable.
I actually don't care if you STFU but you see how that can work both ways?
WHY would you come onto the board of another school's fan base, and be rude and use profanity? Didn't your parents teach you to be respectful when you go to someone else's house?
ggcpsu let the cat out of the bag. Part of our whole "fun" thing that's killing it. You should be concerned.
Yes, but he was one of his coaches and a family friend. Was just wondering if he had any insight.
That's some serious accusation there.
If true, I hope nothing short of the death sentence for Cael and psu wrestling.
Iowa recruits by the book even tho many many other D1 coaches don't.
Terry even mentions that he removes himself from rooms and goes out of the way to not talk to potential recruits cause that's the rule. Other coaches don't do that.
That is why I took that part off my post. It is all 2nd hand news as far as it goes from my end. I just keep hearing story after story from different sources of this type of thing out east and if a tenth of it is true it is really gross.
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DonHawkeye said:
Oh they also totally missed the ball on this Verk ordeal. I mean the kid is going around telling college coaches that Cael can't offer him scholarships but promised to pay him mid six figures for multiple years through the NLWC after graduation. If a slub like myself has heard this, I am sure the Flo guys have heard the same thing.
If Cael is really doing this he must truly think he is untouchable and maybe he is.
A lot of NLWC coaches NLWC wrestlers are going to be very unhappy to hear that Cael promised an 18 year old HS senior that won one PA state title multiple, multiple times the amount of support they are receiving from the NLWC.
I'm wondering if I can talk someone out of his LOI immediately.
Oh they also totally missed the ball on this Verk ordeal. I mean the kid is going around telling college coaches that Cael can't offer him scholarships but promised to pay him mid six figures for multiple years through the NLWC after graduation. If a slub like myself has heard this, I am sure the Flo guys have heard the same thing.
If Cael is really doing this he must truly think he is untouchable and maybe he is.
A lot of NLWC coaches NLWC wrestlers are going to be very unhappy to hear that Cael promised an 18 year old HS senior that won one PA state title multiple, multiple times the amount of support they are receiving from the NLWC.
I'm wondering if I can talk someone out of his LOI immediately.
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DonHawkeye said:
Oh they also totally missed the ball on this Verk ordeal. I mean the kid is going around telling college coaches that Cael can't offer him scholarships but promised to pay him mid six figures for multiple years through the NLWC after graduation. If a slub like myself has heard this, I am sure the Flo guys have heard the same thing.
If Cael is really doing this he must truly think he is untouchable and maybe he is.
A lot of NLWC coaches NLWC wrestlers are going to be very unhappy to hear that Cael promised an 18 year old HS senior that won one PA state title multiple, multiple times the amount of support they are receiving from the NLWC.
I'm wondering if I can talk someone out of his LOI immediately.
Yeah, even as a Hawk fan I'm calling BS on this. First, Cael isn't offering him mid six figures after graduation. Second, the kid wouldn't be telling coaches from other schools this if he planned on accepting the walk-on now, pay me later offer.
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While it's nice FLO is getting top events streamed and boosting wrestling's visibility, it's seems pretty clear that both Willie and CP are PSU fans, and don't particularly like Iowa.
Parts of that FLR was hard to listen to.
CP mentions the Hawkeye Report by name, to claim 'they' post this nonsense about Verkleeren being "afraid to compete." As far as I can tell, this was posted by one guy (NoTapedLaces), who joined this board a week earlier and has only a handful of posts. Other HR posters countered saying Verk was not afraid to compete. Wow.
Aside from that, there was the rah-rah 'PSU is the greatest place to go if you want to be a great wrestler.'
Hall was cited as an example of a guy that wrestled in a HS post season match only months earlier, but now was an NCAA champ!!! No mention that Hall was already a World gold medal champ and considered the #1 recruit, before even setting foot in the PSU room.
There were some other quotes "they developed Hall," "PSU does the best job of developing", "if you want to reach your potential you go to PSU", "you'll be the best you can be at PSU" etc.
They did mention, there are a couple of other top programs that can develop wrestlers, mentioning tOSU and Okla St, but (surprise!) not Iowa.
All in all, it was closer to a PSU pep rally than journalism.
To quote James Comey, listening to it made me feel "mildly nauseous."
Mid six figures for multiple years. LOL
I guess Hall has a multimillion dollar deal to collect on in a few years.
Shyt is too ridiculous to repeat without laughing. There are 5 star football recruits not being offered that kinda dough and they actually generate income. C'mon man.
I guess Hall has a multimillion dollar deal to collect on in a few years.
Shyt is too ridiculous to repeat without laughing. There are 5 star football recruits not being offered that kinda dough and they actually generate income. C'mon man.
I think we had one other guy that said Verk would just be happy to be on the winning team but I get your point...hardly a consensus. 1-3 posters say something and it because written in stone. Flo uses us as a strawman frequently to further whatever narrative they are floating at the time and it's getting pretty old. Did they talk about fans on this forum raising 100,000 in a month? Shit man, that's news.
Agree with this as there is always a loony or two on every board posting. But they started calling out - justifiably - a PSU loose cannon, no pun intended. I think it's kind of a funny thing to them and there are only really two boards to really comment on.
I don't see the anti-Iowa bias that SOME on here see. I see FLO giving plenty of respect to the historic program. IMO rossell's slant above is off-base. They are obviously impressed with PSU which is understandable given what they have accomplished over the past seven years. It would be the same way with Iowa if FLO was around previously, they are going to be impressed with the dominant program.
BTW, who is this AZChief character I saw referenced by a poster yesterday on BWI? Any relation????
As Rossel said, the dude pushing it has like ten posts on here and I am not sure he is an Iowa fan. It would be like putting Spyker on blast (although Spyker has said much worse) as a representation of BWI. Azchief32 is an idiot cousin of mine...always calling people DBags
EDIT: Just saw it...Matter is still dining out on me calling VT Vag Tech after all these months. Gotta love the fake outrage.
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Oy vey fellas, everyone knows the NCAA and every other oversight organization is performing a colonoscopy on every Penn State sport with respect to any violation of recruiting or anything else. Don't think Penn State would get away with giving out a free cheeseburger without getting caught after the last 6 years.
I was just talking to a U of I grad who knew the Banachs and Lewis and some others when he was in school there. He is a wrestling fan and he said it as simply as I have. This is how it was when Gable was coaching. He got everyone he wanted and they came there for almost nothing. For whatever reason, it is PSU's turn to be the hot destination.
I remember talking to Purdue's coach on the flight to nationals one year. He thought he had a real good shot at getting Mike Mena. Now remember this is around mid March and we are on the way to the NCAA tournament. He said the only thing that concerned him is that Gable called him a couple of weeks ago. Gable did not even begin recruiting Mena until the beginning of March of his senior year and he landed him. Of course, I have to assume the coach knew what he was talking about.
Mark Johnson recruited Ramos and gave him a full ride offer. Ramos came to Iowa for books (according to Johnson) Again, I assume the coach knows what he is talking about.
I don't think PSU is cheating, they are just the hot spot right now. However, I have been around long enough to never and I mean never count the Hawks out. They/you guys will be back.
I remember talking to Purdue's coach on the flight to nationals one year. He thought he had a real good shot at getting Mike Mena. Now remember this is around mid March and we are on the way to the NCAA tournament. He said the only thing that concerned him is that Gable called him a couple of weeks ago. Gable did not even begin recruiting Mena until the beginning of March of his senior year and he landed him. Of course, I have to assume the coach knew what he was talking about.
Mark Johnson recruited Ramos and gave him a full ride offer. Ramos came to Iowa for books (according to Johnson) Again, I assume the coach knows what he is talking about.
I don't think PSU is cheating, they are just the hot spot right now. However, I have been around long enough to never and I mean never count the Hawks out. They/you guys will be back.
As Rossel said, the dude pushing it has like ten posts on here and I am not sure he is an Iowa fan. It would be like putting Spyker on blast (although Spyker has said much worse) as a representation of BWI. Azchief32 is an idiot cousin of mine...always calling people DBags
EDIT: Just saw it...Matter is still dining out on me calling VT Vag Tech after all these months. Gotta love the fake outrage.
You did it again!
You monster!!!Midwesterner with idiot cousin in the desert ... where have we seen this before?As Rossel said, the dude pushing it has like ten posts on here and I am not sure he is an Iowa fan. It would be like putting Spyker on blast (although Spyker has said much worse) as a representation of BWI. Azchief32 is an idiot cousin of mine...always calling people DBags
EDIT: Just saw it...Matter is still dining out on me calling VT Vag Tech after all these months. Gotta love the fake outrage.
Midwesterner with idiot cousin in the desert ... where have we seen this before?
I have even taken the Damn Dam tour
Click bait.... CP is smart enough to know that Iowa fans that have a brain don't think that about Verkleeren. It does show a little more anti Iowa bias as he is talking about our wrestling forum. Where was he when Amalone and some of the nut jobs from BWI were saying stupid stuff. Really tired of the Flo boys and some of the things they say.
I'll buy this to an extent.
The main factor here is the indisputable fact that kids are far more college ready coming out of high school than they have ever been before in the history of the sport, and recruiting rankings are much much more accurate due the the many national tourneys pitting big names against each other as well as the the international experience of making cadet and junior teams.
These kids are getting coached up by world champions before they hit high school sometimes.
In Gables day, you were lucky to find a vhs tape that showed you how to defend a single leg.
The development gap between than and now is far smaller.
Your post cannot be disputed. Neither can it's impact on recruiting nowadays. Anyone notice that more freshmen are impacting nationals in the past 5 years than ever before?
Maybe someone can dig up the stats on this. A comparison of freshman qualifiers/AAs/champs through the years would be very interesting.
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