Was Helene worse due to hurricane weather modification?

[Hawk_82]

The government tried to modify hurricanes back in 1947, do you believe that in today's era where climate change is presented as an existential threat; that they are not trying to modify our weather and natural disasters? I believe that humans will do more harm than good by using geo-engineering. Could Helene be the most recent example of this? I provided a bunch of legit links for those who don't think this stuff is happening. I don't have conclusive evidence that geo-engineering was the reason for Helene's damage, but there is enough historical evidence to make us question whether geo-engineering was a factor. Is it possible that geo-engineering is also contributing to the droughts we are seeing?

"The use of cloud seeding to alter a storm was not a new idea -- in fact, a weather modification program known as Project Cirrus accomplished the first cloud seeding of a hurricane back in 1947. However, instead of using silver iodide, this project experimented with dry ice as a method of seeding. Despite its ambitious nature, the successful seeding didn’t come without consequences: the hurricane, which had initially been tracking west to east and heading out to sea, reversed its path after it was seeded and made landfall in Savannah, Georgia, causing local destruction. Many blamed the seeding for this disaster, which had a negative effect on political and legal arrangements for future modification efforts. The project was officially canceled, and the embarrassing incident set back seeding research for more than a decade."

Almost Science Fiction: Hurricane Modification and Project STORMFURY - National Weather Service Heritage - Virtual Lab

In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an ambitious direction that almost sounds like science fiction: human interference and the modification of hurricanes. In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an...

vlab.noaa.gov

Eight States Are Seeding Clouds to Overcome Megadrought

But there is little evidence to show that the process is increasing precipitation

www.scientificamerican.com

A startup says it’s begun releasing particles into the atmosphere, in an effort to tweak the climate

Make Sunsets is already attempting to earn revenue for geoengineering, a move likely to provoke widespread criticism.

www.technologyreview.com

http://sonmi.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/7/4/24749526/project_hurrmit_woodley.pdf

Project Cirrus – Hurricane Modification - The Black Vault

Project Cirrus was an early attempt at weather modification, conducted in the late 1940s by a collaboration between the U.S. military and General Electric (GE). Launched in 1947, its primary goal was to alter weather patterns by seeding clouds with dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide) or silver...

www.theblackvault.com

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www.chathamhouse.org

NOAA Refuses DHS Hurricane Modification Program • Weather Modification History

As we reported in May, more than 25 years after termination of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Project Stormfury, which aimed to weaken hurricanes by seeding clouds with silver i

weathermodificationhistory.com

- From 2009: "While OAR recognizes that weather modification, in general, is occurring through the funding of private enterprises, NOAA does not support research that entails efforts to modify hurricanes."

2C.1 The Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP): A HAMP Contribution (2010 - 29Hurricanes_29hurricanes)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/09/16/stop-hurricanes-weather-climate-change/

DHS Hurricane Mitigation: Project HURRMIT and HAMP • Weather Modification History

The back-to-back devastating hurricane seasons of 2004 and 2005 suggested that hurricanes might be a threat to national security, especially as the climate warms, and by 2008, the Department of Homela

weathermodificationhistory.com

The Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program - The Salata Institute

The Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program (SGRP) produces knowledge to help society decide whether—and if so, how—solar geoengineering should play a role in global efforts to manage the growing risks from climate change.

salatainstitute.harvard.edu

Met Office position on geoengineering research

This page outlines the Met Office's position on conducting science in the field of geoengineering.

www.metoffice.gov.uk

 

[IANDFAN]

No

 

[The Tradition]

And now you know the rest of the story....

 

[Hawki97]

You need to worry more about the bio scanners in your cereal. They’re THIS close to being able to use them to change your DNA. 23 and Me is going to be a mess.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

 

[pjhawk]

This is the kind of "free speech" that MAGA and Elon want to not only protect but amplify.

It's A-OK however to censor TV ads in support of ballot initiatives in Florida.

 

[bagdropper]

It is absolutely idiotic to do stuff like this. They have no real idea what the total consequences are.

We're already doing plenty of harm to this earth we all live on. Maybe we should get our shit together fixing that before we start deliberately throwing crap in the atmosphere. We absolutely could and probably would do more harm than good.

 

[alaskanseminole]

You need to worry more about the bio scanners in your cereal. They’re THIS close to being able to use them to change your DNA. 23 and Me is going to be a mess.

I'm still dealing with my 5G chip and the magnetic forehead issue.

 

[BelemNole]

Ok, so I need to put op on ignore. I can’t deal with weaponized stupidity.

 

[win1forthe]

OP must have been out of his mind with Y2K

 

[alaskanseminole]

Ok, so I need to put op on ignore. I can’t deal with weaponized stupidity.

If that's your threshold, you're going to have to ignore half the country. LOL

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Yes, but it wasnt science, it was faith. I prayed the shit out of it to punish red staters. God agreed. Mission accomplished. Currently evaluating my next target, so mind your ass or you’re next.

 

[runkpanole]

Oh goodie, another weather modification thread.

 

[runkpanole]

If that's your threshold, you're going to have to ignore half the country. LOL

Touché

 

[Hawksfinal4]

OP must have been out of his mind with Y2K

True story Y2K a resident in my community stored like 40 gallons of gasoline in his basement . When hot water tank kicked on the vapors ignited and burned house down. Luckily everyone escaped without any major injuries, a little smoke inhalation but not serious, however house didn’t fair so well

 

[The Tradition]

True story Y2K a resident in my community stored like 40 gallons of gasoline in his basement . When hot water tank kicked on the vapors ignited and burned house down. Luckily everyone escaped without any major injuries, a little smoke inhalation but not serious, however house didn’t fair so well

Gas heater?

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Gas heater?

Yes

 

[Hawk_82]

This is the kind of "free speech" that MAGA and Elon want to not only protect but amplify.

It's A-OK however to censor TV ads in support of ballot initiatives in Florida.

Pleaseclarify your position. Do you think geoengineering isn't happening? Or do you think geoengineering is good (wont have adverseconsequences) ?

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Pleaseclarify your position. Do you think geoengineering isn't happening? Or do you think geoengineering is good (wont have adverseconsequences) ?

Here’s one answer.
geoengineering
Climate engineering is an umbrella term for both carbon dioxide removal and solar radiation modification, when applied at a planetary scale. However, these two processes have very different characteristics. For this reason, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change no longer uses this overarching term

 

[Hawk_82]

Here’s one answer.
geoengineering
Climate engineering is an umbrella term for both carbon dioxide removal and solar radiation modification, when applied at a planetary scale. However, these two processes have very different characteristics. For this reason, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change no longer uses this overarching term

The IPCC is not using the term geo engineering because they realize there are bad associations with the term. They want to continue modifying the weather, so they will change the term as needed.

I think this emphasizes the need for awareness to be brought to the issue.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

The government tried to modify hurricanes back in 1947, do you believe that in today's era where climate change is presented as an existential threat; that they are not trying to modify our weather and natural disasters? I believe that humans will do more harm than good by using geo-engineering. Could Helene be the most recent example of this? I provided a bunch of legit links for those who don't think this stuff is happening. I don't have conclusive evidence that geo-engineering was the reason for Helene's damage, but there is enough historical evidence to make us question whether geo-engineering was a factor. Is it possible that geo-engineering is also contributing to the droughts we are seeing?

"The use of cloud seeding to alter a storm was not a new idea -- in fact, a weather modification program known as Project Cirrus accomplished the first cloud seeding of a hurricane back in 1947. However, instead of using silver iodide, this project experimented with dry ice as a method of seeding. Despite its ambitious nature, the successful seeding didn’t come without consequences: the hurricane, which had initially been tracking west to east and heading out to sea, reversed its path after it was seeded and made landfall in Savannah, Georgia, causing local destruction. Many blamed the seeding for this disaster, which had a negative effect on political and legal arrangements for future modification efforts. The project was officially canceled, and the embarrassing incident set back seeding research for more than a decade."

Almost Science Fiction: Hurricane Modification and Project STORMFURY - National Weather Service Heritage - Virtual Lab

In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an ambitious direction that almost sounds like science fiction: human interference and the modification of hurricanes. In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an...

vlab.noaa.gov

Eight States Are Seeding Clouds to Overcome Megadrought

But there is little evidence to show that the process is increasing precipitation

www.scientificamerican.com

A startup says it’s begun releasing particles into the atmosphere, in an effort to tweak the climate

Make Sunsets is already attempting to earn revenue for geoengineering, a move likely to provoke widespread criticism.

www.technologyreview.com

http://sonmi.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/7/4/24749526/project_hurrmit_woodley.pdf

Project Cirrus – Hurricane Modification - The Black Vault

Project Cirrus was an early attempt at weather modification, conducted in the late 1940s by a collaboration between the U.S. military and General Electric (GE). Launched in 1947, its primary goal was to alter weather patterns by seeding clouds with dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide) or silver...

www.theblackvault.com

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www.chathamhouse.org

NOAA Refuses DHS Hurricane Modification Program • Weather Modification History

As we reported in May, more than 25 years after termination of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Project Stormfury, which aimed to weaken hurricanes by seeding clouds with silver i

weathermodificationhistory.com

- From 2009: "While OAR recognizes that weather modification, in general, is occurring through the funding of private enterprises, NOAA does not support research that entails efforts to modify hurricanes."

2C.1 The Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP): A HAMP Contribution (2010 - 29Hurricanes_29hurricanes)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/09/16/stop-hurricanes-weather-climate-change/

DHS Hurricane Mitigation: Project HURRMIT and HAMP • Weather Modification History

The back-to-back devastating hurricane seasons of 2004 and 2005 suggested that hurricanes might be a threat to national security, especially as the climate warms, and by 2008, the Department of Homela

weathermodificationhistory.com

The Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program - The Salata Institute

The Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program (SGRP) produces knowledge to help society decide whether—and if so, how—solar geoengineering should play a role in global efforts to manage the growing risks from climate change.

salatainstitute.harvard.edu

Met Office position on geoengineering research

This page outlines the Met Office's position on conducting science in the field of geoengineering.

www.metoffice.gov.uk

Project Stormfury occurred in the 60’s but was limited to, I think, four storms. Ironically, they got in trouble for a hurricane they didn't try to modify. The original idea was to seed Betsy but it turned toward land so the plan was cancelled. The press didn't get the news and reported that they proceeded with the test. Betsy slammed into southern FL and people thought Stormfury had inadvertently affected the storm's path and strength. They experimented on a few more storms and were encouraged by the results but the project was killed. Later Hurricane Hunter flights found conditions developing that mirrored the "successful" attempts by Stormfury and, eventually, the idea that seeding would have any effect on hurricane development was dropped.

 

[BlIIlken2]

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[The Tradition]

I still think there's something to the Jewish space lasers stuff, though....

 

[Hawk_82]

Project Stormfury occurred in the 60’s but was limited to, I think, four storms. Ironically, they got in trouble for a hurricane they didn't try to modify. The original idea was to seed Betsy but it turned toward land so the plan was cancelled. The press didn't get the news and reported that they proceeded with the test. Betsy slammed into southern FL and people thought Stormfury had inadvertently affected the storm's path and strength. They experimented on a few more storms and were encouraged by the results but the project was killed. Later Hurricane Hunter flights found conditions developing that mirrored the "successful" attempts by Stormfury and, eventually, the idea that seeding would have any effect on hurricane development was dropped.

I'm assuming you don't think they are trying to modify hurricanes like this anymore? If this is true, why do you think they gave up trying?
What are your thoughts on cloud seeding to help with drought and snowfall? There is some speculation that stimulating rainfall in certain areas is leading to worse droughts in other areas. What do you think?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Rls your position. Do you think geoengineering isn't happening? Or do you think geoengineering is good (wont have adverseconsequences) ?

Imagine believing this rather than believing 150 years of burning fossil fuel’s heated the gulf enough to do it.

 

[runkpanole]

The damn Biden administration has gotten worse at making hurricanes! Weak ass Cat 4. Trump’s administration made a Cat 5. It was yuge!

Hurricane Michael - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Thunderlips71]

I seeded the OP’s mother last night

 

[runkpanole]

I seeded the OP’s mother last night

I thought I saw you in line.

 

[fsu1jreed]

It is absolutely idiotic to do stuff like this. They have no real idea what the total consequences are.

We're already doing plenty of harm to this earth we all live on. Maybe we should get our shit together fixing that before we start deliberately throwing crap in the atmosphere. We absolutely could and probably would do more harm than good.

True, but it's also idiotic to think we are

 

[fsu1jreed]

Imagine believing this rather than believing 150 years of burning fossil fuel’s heated the gulf enough to do it.

Because that would make too much sense

 

[Hawk_82]

True, but it's also idiotic to think we are

Here is a bunch of proof this is happening. I am putting hurricane modification and cloud seeding in the same category, but both are being conducted.

Hurricane Hacking: The Department of Homeland Security enters the weather modification business • ClimateViewer News

DHS working on steering hurricanes with Bill Gates and top geoengineering scientists.

climateviewer.com

Governments turn to cloud seeding to fight drought

(AP) -- On a mountaintop clearing in the Sierra Nevada stands a tall metal platform holding a crude furnace and a box of silver iodide solution that some scientists believe could help offer relief from searing droughts.

phys.org

California Is Now Trying Cloud Seeding To Beat the Drought

Adding ice crystals might be just the bump these lazy clouds need.

www.popularmechanics.com

North American Weather Modification Council

The mission of the North American Weather Modification Council (NAWMC) is to advance the proper use of weather modification technologies through education, promotion and research. The Council serves as a forum for the exchange of information on weather modification issues; to promote the...

www.nawmc.org

Cloud Seeding: Advantages and Disadvantages | Earth.Org

Since its inception, cloud seeding has evolved into a solution to droughts, a tool for firefighting, and a catalyst for weather modification.

earth.org

I wish I could make this stuff up, but Bill gates is even funding this stuff and also has multiple patents on the issue. This goes right in line with him promoting and funding the rest of the climate change agenda.

https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/bill-gates-wants-to-kill-hurricanes-forever

 

[NoleATL]

This country is worse off than I thought. Local weather guy mentioned on Facebook how the strength for the path is unusual... someone commented "because it's manmade.".... As of this post, there were a total of 30 reactions. 15 Laughs, 15 likes, 2 loves, 1 wow and 1 anger. We're effed. How can so many people be that idiotic to not completely laugh this person off the internet?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

This country is worse off than I thought. Local weather guy mentioned on Facebook how the strength for the path is unusual... someone commented "because it's manmade.".... As of this post, there were a total of 30 reactions. 15 Laughs, 15 likes, 2 loves, 1 wow and 1 anger. We're effed. How can so many people be that idiotic to not completely laugh this person off the internet?

Counter point, not saying this gentleman was taking this angle, but, you could make a case, if you believe man is impacting global warming, the intensity of the storm would in a sense be "man made".
















To the thread, I don't think we "make" storms, I do* think we have speed up thr natural timeline of warming and cooling on the surface so we are seeing more outlier weather. I do think cloud seeding has been attempted or is done. ( for rain not storms)

 

[millah_22]

I think OP nailed it

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I'm assuming you don't think they are trying to modify hurricanes like this anymore? If this is true, why do you think they gave up trying?
What are your thoughts on cloud seeding to help with drought and snowfall? There is some speculation that stimulating rainfall in certain areas is leading to worse droughts in other areas. What do you think?

Is someone trying it? I’m sure they are. The problem is the entire premise turned out to be flawed. For seeding to work, the clouds have to contain super-cooled water. What Stormfury and future research trips through hurricanes found is, in hurricanes at least, it’s mostly ice crystals in the clouds. Seeding is useless in that case.

Can you seed to make it rain or snow? Sometimes. And it will certainly affect precip elsewhere.

 

[Hawk_82]

This country is worse off than I thought. Local weather guy mentioned on Facebook how the strength for the path is unusual... someone commented "because it's manmade.".... As of this post, there were a total of 30 reactions. 15 Laughs, 15 likes, 2 loves, 1 wow and 1 anger. We're effed. How can so many people be that idiotic to not completely laugh this person off the internet?

What is there not to believe, I have posted articles about cloud seeding from NOAA, Nature, Earth.org, Harvard, phys.org, UK gov, Technologyreview, link to Bill Gates patents on hurricane modification. I linked an article from the gov how they did hurricane modification in the past. What else do you need for evidence that this stuff is happening?

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www.cnbc.com

Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineering

Other wealthy individuals have also funded a series of reports into the future use of technologies to geoengineer the climate

www.theguardian.com

 

[runkpanole]

 

[Flie]

Certainly more plausible than rising levels of atmospheric greenhouse gases increasing the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere with higher average global temperatures triggering more powerful/frequent hurricanes. Government weather control is far more likely.

 

[noleclone2]

Certainly more plausible than rising levels of atmospheric greenhouse gases increasing the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere with higher average global temperatures triggering more powerful/frequent hurricanes. Government weather control is far more likely.

I feel like this whole thing may sum up what’s wrong with MAGA, and sadly, about 40% of our nation perfectly in 2024:

We have over 100 million citizens that have heard for decades how this will happen due to global warming preferring to ignore it is happening and now when faced with it are instead inventing outlandish government conspiracy theories as to why it is happening so they can stay anti science, anti intellectual and anti government. Truly the know nothing party.

Sadly, with rampant disinformation brainwashing these pathetically naive and stupid people, devoid of any sort of individual logic or thinking capabilities, it is not going to get better and will continue to be exploited by the four biggest enemy states to the US:
Russia
China
Iran and
MAGA

 

[sober_teacher]

I guess that there are people who watched the “Geostorm” movie and thought it was a documentary?