When the average hurricane produces as much energy as 10,000 nuclear bombs or more, do people really believe a few dry ice crystals are going to control it?
Was Helene worse due to hurricane weather modification?
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I honestly don’t doubt that it’s theoretically possible and so there are people trying to….but there’s so many factors at play that I find it doubtful it’s practical.
The government tried to modify hurricanes back in 1947, do you believe that in today's era where climate change is presented as an existential threat; that they are not trying to modify our weather and natural disasters? I believe that humans will do more harm than good by using geo-engineering. Could Helene be the most recent example of this? I provided a bunch of legit links for those who don't think this stuff is happening. I don't have conclusive evidence that geo-engineering was the reason for Helene's damage, but there is enough historical evidence to make us question whether geo-engineering was a factor. Is it possible that geo-engineering is also contributing to the droughts we are seeing?
"The use of cloud seeding to alter a storm was not a new idea -- in fact, a weather modification program known as Project Cirrus accomplished the first cloud seeding of a hurricane back in 1947. However, instead of using silver iodide, this project experimented with dry ice as a method of seeding. Despite its ambitious nature, the successful seeding didn’t come without consequences: the hurricane, which had initially been tracking west to east and heading out to sea, reversed its path after it was seeded and made landfall in Savannah, Georgia, causing local destruction. Many blamed the seeding for this disaster, which had a negative effect on political and legal arrangements for future modification efforts. The project was officially canceled, and the embarrassing incident set back seeding research for more than a decade."
Almost Science Fiction: Hurricane Modification and Project STORMFURY - National Weather Service Heritage - Virtual Lab
In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an ambitious direction that almost sounds like science fiction: human interference and the modification of hurricanes. In the years between 1962 and 1983, hurricane observation took an enormous step in an...vlab.noaa.gov
Eight States Are Seeding Clouds to Overcome Megadrought
But there is little evidence to show that the process is increasing precipitationwww.scientificamerican.com
A startup says it’s begun releasing particles into the atmosphere, in an effort to tweak the climate
Make Sunsets is already attempting to earn revenue for geoengineering, a move likely to provoke widespread criticism.www.technologyreview.com
Project Cirrus – Hurricane Modification - The Black Vault
Project Cirrus was an early attempt at weather modification, conducted in the late 1940s by a collaboration between the U.S. military and General Electric (GE). Launched in 1947, its primary goal was to alter weather patterns by seeding clouds with dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide) or silver...www.theblackvault.com
- From 2009: "While OAR recognizes that weather modification, in general, is occurring through the funding of private enterprises, NOAA does not support research that entails efforts to modify hurricanes."NOAA Refuses DHS Hurricane Modification Program • Weather Modification History
As we reported in May, more than 25 years after termination of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Project Stormfury, which aimed to weaken hurricanes by seeding clouds with silver iweathermodificationhistory.com
DHS Hurricane Mitigation: Project HURRMIT and HAMP • Weather Modification History
The back-to-back devastating hurricane seasons of 2004 and 2005 suggested that hurricanes might be a threat to national security, especially as the climate warms, and by 2008, the Department of HomelaThe Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program - The Salata Institute
The Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program (SGRP) produces knowledge to help society decide whether—and if so, how—solar geoengineering should play a role in global efforts to manage the growing risks from climate change.salatainstitute.harvard.edu
Met Office position on geoengineering research
This page outlines the Met Office's position on conducting science in the field of geoengineering.www.metoffice.gov.uk
Theoretically it was possible the Hawks were going to beat the Buckeyes last Saturday too.
I will give you one guess as to who he is voting for.
Wait, what? Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Sharknado wasn't based off a true story.
The insurance companies have been paying billions and billions. Why haven't they sued the government over weather control before?
The more I read about weather modification, the more real and scary it seems. I have provided some legit links that prove this is not a conspiracy. At some point you look like a fool for disregarding all the evidence and denying the truth.
Did you naysayers realize that there are treaties against weather warfare? They even go on to say the treaty "shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be
without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of
international law concerning such use."
"The technology of warfare is in a constant state of flux. In recent years weather modification activities have been employed by military forces and other methods of environmental manipulation have been contemplated for military use. The development of the 1976 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques and the negotiations in the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament"
Link:https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...egotiations/8D7A5BC8D4FE3FD2A49C217E2DAEB1B6#
Why would the UN need a treaty if controlling the weather was not possible.
Why would there be patents for modifying hurricanes if it wasn't being done?
patents.justia.com
patents.justia.com
Here is some thought provoking discussion.https://youtu.be/qaSobMKniIQ?si=AZhqbWs9BWQCs_C_
"This thesis determines whether the military should revisit using weather modification for enhancing military operations. Weather modification is an
area of operations that the military has tried, and because of a variety of reasons, has stopped conducting."
Did you naysayers realize that there are treaties against weather warfare? They even go on to say the treaty "shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be
without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of
international law concerning such use."
"The technology of warfare is in a constant state of flux. In recent years weather modification activities have been employed by military forces and other methods of environmental manipulation have been contemplated for military use. The development of the 1976 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques and the negotiations in the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament"
Link:https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...egotiations/8D7A5BC8D4FE3FD2A49C217E2DAEB1B6#
Why would the UN need a treaty if controlling the weather was not possible.
Why would there be patents for modifying hurricanes if it wasn't being done?
US Patent for Technology and technique to prevent, diminish or interfere with the formation of hurricanes on earth from one or more platforms in space Patent (Patent # 11,564,361 issued January 31, 2023) - Justia Patents Search
Solar radiation is collected and converted to microwave energy by means maintained in outer space on one or more platforms in space. The microwave energy is then transmitted to earth and directed to and constantly focused on one or more segments of a generally circular and slowly rotating...
patents.justia.com
Weather Control Patents and Patent Applications (Class 239/14.1) - Justia Patents Search
Search for Weather Control Patents and Patent Applications (Class 239/14.1) Filed with the USPTO
patents.justia.com
Here is some thought provoking discussion.https://youtu.be/qaSobMKniIQ?si=AZhqbWs9BWQCs_C_
"This thesis determines whether the military should revisit using weather modification for enhancing military operations. Weather modification is an
area of operations that the military has tried, and because of a variety of reasons, has stopped conducting."
Weather warfare was a thing they were worried about in the 70s. do you think we have learned how to modify the weather more effectively in the last 50 years?
www.smithsonianmag.com
Weather Control as a Cold War Weapon
In the 1950s, some U.S. scientists warned that, without immediate action, the Soviet Union would control the earth's thermometers
LolThe more I read about weather modification, the more real and scary it seems. I have provided some legit links that prove this is not a conspiracy. At some point you look like a fool for disregarding all the evidence and denying the truth.
Did you naysayers realize that there are treaties against weather warfare? They even go on to say the treaty "shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be
without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of
international law concerning such use."
"The technology of warfare is in a constant state of flux. In recent years weather modification activities have been employed by military forces and other methods of environmental manipulation have been contemplated for military use. The development of the 1976 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques and the negotiations in the Conference of the Committee on Disarmament"
Link:https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...egotiations/8D7A5BC8D4FE3FD2A49C217E2DAEB1B6#
Why would the UN need a treaty if controlling the weather was not possible.
Why would there be patents for modifying hurricanes if it wasn't being done?
US Patent for Technology and technique to prevent, diminish or interfere with the formation of hurricanes on earth from one or more platforms in space Patent (Patent # 11,564,361 issued January 31, 2023) - Justia Patents Search
Solar radiation is collected and converted to microwave energy by means maintained in outer space on one or more platforms in space. The microwave energy is then transmitted to earth and directed to and constantly focused on one or more segments of a generally circular and slowly rotating...
Weather Control Patents and Patent Applications (Class 239/14.1) - Justia Patents Search
Search for Weather Control Patents and Patent Applications (Class 239/14.1) Filed with the USPTO
Here is some thought provoking discussion.https://youtu.be/qaSobMKniIQ?si=AZhqbWs9BWQCs_C_
"This thesis determines whether the military should revisit using weather modification for enhancing military operations. Weather modification is an
area of operations that the military has tried, and because of a variety of reasons, has stopped conducting."
You should take a look at my links. Does it change your mind knowing that weather warfare was enough of a concern in the 70s that a treaty was developed to stop it? At the same time, the treaty states it is not intended to stop the use of weather modification for peaceful purposes.
How do you explain the government treaty on it and the patents on weather modification? Why would this be necessary if weather modification was not happening?
Your conspiracies get nuttier and nuttier. I hope you are just trolling. If you're not, seek some help.
I have provided links from the government discussing weather modification. How do you explain this if its all a conspiracy?
I think this guy succinctly nails it (NSFW language):
The 70s were not exactly known as a decade of clear, rational thinking.
Someone sold weather modification as a viable scientific breakthrough, and to an extent that’s true. In practice however it’s far less practical than initially supposed, and at the end of the day you’re bringing up a very stupid treaty that 95% of the world have forgotten even exists.
The fact that you and others think these hurricanes were created on purpose is simply a very sad commentary on what you’re willing to believe.
Get me a link that shows Bigfoot caused 9/11 with the help of the illuminati, and we'll talk.
It's fairly easy to come up with cockamamie ideas and "theories", when you have the effective science background of a 3rd grader...
FUNFACT: Patents are not "science papers". Many of them are completely unworkable and utter nonsense.
If Trump is re-elected we'll be seeing this guy at his first hurricane news conference. He'll be announced as the head of the new hurricane task force in charge of using the air force to ice them down and reverse the wind rotation. Trump's first question as he introduces him will be whether nuclear can be part of the solution since we have all of these nuclear bombs just sitting around doing nothing. Says he saw a documentary showing how these missiles can be driven with great precision that he'd like people to look into. Guy's a mad genius I tell you.
What makes you think that the government would go from well documented attempts to modify hurricanes in the 40s-60s to then just giving up on it? Did you scan through the patents that I posted? There are obviously a bunch of people who are still interested in the idea.
Here is a chinese gov site that clearly states they are using weather modification. Is China lying about this?
"In terms of helping agricultural bumper harvest, geared to key farming seasons and the critical period of crop water demand, artificial rain (snow) and hail prevention operations were carried out in a timely manner in various localities. In Northeast China, thanks to regional weather modification capacity building in recent years, the average annual rainfall (snow) in the region increased by 27%, and the average annual grain output witnessed a jump by 23.2 billion jin."
"China this week revealed plans to drastically expand an experimental weather modification program to cover an area of over 5.5 million square kilometers (2.1 million square miles) – more than 1.5 times the total size of India.
According to a statement from the State Council, China will have a “developed weather modification system” by 2025, thanks to breakthroughs in fundamental research and key technologies, as well as improvements in “comprehensive prevention against safety risks.”
This isn't some far fetched idea with no legit sources. I don't know if weather modification was used on Helene or Milton. This isn't really the point for me anymore. I think these two hurricanes exposed the idea of weather modification that is occurring globally.
You can't explain the legit links that I have posted so you try to claim its all conspiracy. It doesn't matter what you believe is true, because this stuff is happening regardless of what you believe.
From Texas gov website: "Over 50 years of research and actual cloud seeding in more than 40 countries have demonstrated that properly-designed programs operated by competent persons can increase seasonal rainfall appreciably and beneficially. The American Meteorological Society (AMS) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) have issued policy statements on weather modification that attest to the efficacy of existing technology to enhance precipitation."
www.tdlr.texas.gov
Weather Modification Frequently Asked Questions
This is the Frequently Asked Questions page for the Weather Modification program administered by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation.
www.tdlr.texas.gov
First, i didn’t say the government gave up on it…tho given how the GOP has turned against climate science I’m dubious how much funding they’re actually getting now, if any.
Second, again, I don’t doubt there have been and continue to be attempts at weather modification. How effective these are at regularly creating the desired effects, as well as potential long-term consequences of doing so is what I’m more doubtful of. Imo, Mother Nature is not something that should be meddled with casually.
The problem here is that there are people who are seizing on stuff like what you’ve linked as proof positive that the government is controlling the weather, that these hurricanes were created intentionally, etc. see marjorie Taylor Greene as Idiot Stooge #1 here.
And so, when has it been proven to have worked?
They are promoting fear over science.
More accurately, they are promoting fear OF science.
Colorado government weather modification:
"The Colorado Water Conservation Board (CWCB) administers Colorado’s Weather Modification (WM) Program, which issues WM permits, monitors WM activities and keeps the public informed about the state’s WM activities. Colorado has conducted weather modification operations and research since the 1950s, and a program to permit weather modification has existed since 1972. After the significant drought starting in early 2000, many new WM permits have been developed. Colorado is a strategic state with the headwaters of eight major river basins, and downstream states are reliant on the snowpack and stream flow generated in Colorado."
cwcb.colorado.gov
"The Colorado Water Conservation Board (CWCB) administers Colorado’s Weather Modification (WM) Program, which issues WM permits, monitors WM activities and keeps the public informed about the state’s WM activities. Colorado has conducted weather modification operations and research since the 1950s, and a program to permit weather modification has existed since 1972. After the significant drought starting in early 2000, many new WM permits have been developed. Colorado is a strategic state with the headwaters of eight major river basins, and downstream states are reliant on the snowpack and stream flow generated in Colorado."
Weather Modification Program | DNR CWCB
