I feel like I’m listening to someone from 5,000 years ago who thought eclipses were the gods expressing their displeasure.
Was Helene worse due to hurricane weather modification?
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Yes, it was an unusual, but not unheard of path taken by Helene.
2023 Atlantic hurricane season - Wikipedia
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Look at annual hurricane tracks (I only looked at a couple of years). Helene didn't move like they normally do coming out of the gulf. They usually sweep up and to the east. Even when they hit an Alabama or Georgia, it's then the Carolina coast and mid-Atlantic coasts that are on the watch for it tracking.
Helene not only went north, it started going west, meaning a lot of rain in a limited area, before it moved east. It wasn't worse or stronger than any others. Just a lot of rain in places that have a lot of valleys (not flat like Florida) that don't usually have a storm that big park on top of them
And yes, it was ALOT stronger than previous hurricanes…last I saw earlier in the week it was being described as one of the strongest category 4s on record. I lost track if it ever officially got to category 5 or not.
This wasn’t just another storm.
Oh, good Lord. Another one?2023 Atlantic hurricane season - Wikipedia
Look at annual hurricane tracks (I only looked at a couple of years). Helene didn't move like they normally do coming out of the gulf. They usually sweep up and to the east. Even when they hit an Alabama or Georgia, it's then the Carolina coast and mid-Atlantic coasts that are on the watch for it tracking.
Helene not only went north, it started going west, meaning a lot of rain in a limited area, before it moved east. It wasn't worse or stronger than any others. Just a lot of rain in places that have a lot of valleys (not flat like Florida) that don't usually have a storm that big park on top of them
I’m not even sure what he’s arguing here. Yes, there are general trends to how hurricanes will move…but they’re notoriously fickle and change directions frequently - this is why the forecasts will change often regarding the expected paths. Helene was an outlier, but it’s hardly the first time.
He’s “Just asking questions…”
There are good hurricanes on both sides.
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That's because you're a simpleton.
A 50% increase in CO2 levels - a major greenhouse gas - is having a substantial effect on our planet. Yet, here you are, posting nonsense that "Democrats are controlling hurricanes".
You are a perfect example of why Republicans want to destroy public education in this country. A dumb, uninformed populace is easily controlled and swayed by nonsense disinformation, because they're too dumb to critically analyze it.
Why don’t Republicans try to control hurricanes? Are they not smart enough to figure it out?
Only Soros has the keys to the Jewish Space Lasers they use for things like starting fires and controlling hurricanes. Duh.
The path Helene took was similar to the path a hurricane took during Project Cirrus. I am not saying this is evidence that weather manipulation occurred for Helene, only that there were similarities. This has revived the issue of hurricane and weather manipulation topic.
Controlling a Hurricane - JSTOR Daily
In the mid-20th century, the United States government invested in two major projects designed to control hurricanes by seeding the storm clouds.
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"Although it was difficult to discern the impact of seeding on an October 1947 hurricane off the Florida-Georgia Atlantic coast, the seeded storm made an abrupt turn to the west and made landfall over the city of Savannah, Georgia. Subsequent investigations and threats of litigation were successfully defended, but further such experiments were delayed for more than a decade."
Appendix C: Planned Weather Modification | Climate Intervention: Reflecting Sunlight to Cool Earth | The National Academies Press
Read chapter Appendix C: Planned Weather Modification: The growing problem of changing environmental conditions caused by climate destabilization is well ...
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The path Helene took was similar to the path a hurricane took during Project Cirrus. I am not saying this is evidence that weather manipulation occurred for Helene, only that there were similarities. This has revived the issue of hurricane and weather manipulation topic.
"The intent was to dilute the storm’s strength. Instead, the storm actually reversed course and slammed into Georgia and South Carolina. While this course-shift wasn’t attributed to the seeding, it didn’t make for a public relations triumph. The charge that human intervention had turned the storm towards the coast left a lasting impression, making later hurricane modification efforts hard to rally support for."Controlling a Hurricane - JSTOR Daily
In the mid-20th century, the United States government invested in two major projects designed to control hurricanes by seeding the storm clouds.
"Although it was difficult to discern the impact of seeding on an October 1947 hurricane off the Florida-Georgia Atlantic coast, the seeded storm made an abrupt turn to the west and made landfall over the city of Savannah, Georgia. Subsequent investigations and threats of litigation were successfully defended, but further such experiments were delayed for more than a decade."
Appendix C: Planned Weather Modification | Climate Intervention: Reflecting Sunlight to Cool Earth | The National Academies Press
Read chapter Appendix C: Planned Weather Modification: The growing problem of changing environmental conditions caused by climate destabilization is well ...nap.nationalacademies.org
So, it *did not* reduce the storm's strength, and had no discernible effect on the storm's path.
Ergo: no control
Yet, here you are with another conspiracy theory - despite a short video explaining the sheer amount of energy required to build these storms up, and a significant fraction of that energy would be required to "direct" them - which was not remotely close to what was employed in the "study".
I don't think he wants to actually learn anything, he's just looking for confirmation of his thoughts. He picked the wrong place.
The link was on a storm 75 years ago. You don't think we have learned anything since then? I have linked more recent articles addressing weather manipulation by the government. This is not conspiracy that people are manipulating the weather and hurricanes.
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Reconcile these two posts.
Controlling the weather implies that it can be done effectively and predictably. Manipulating the weather means you apply an input and hope for a desired result, but that result does not always happen.
People are researching and conducting weather manipulation, but that does not mean they can control the weather.
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handle or control (a tool, mechanism, etc.), typically in a skillful manner.
"he manipulated the dials of the set"
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- 2.
control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.
"the masses were deceived and manipulated by a tiny group"
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Jeezus, he's saying man can kinda/sorta control the weather, which is still completely bonkers.
So what is your point? Lets hear your analysis on weather manipulation. What is real, what is conspiracy?
Reminds me of my SIL. Her family are doctors and nurses throughout, she never went past HS but believes she knows better because she was 'never indoctrinated by the system' so she's a 'free thinker.'
She's a moron who believes in every nutty conspiracy theory and thinks germ theory is a lie.
Its not me saying this, it is coming from the experts in the the links I provided (the government). I understand if you don't believe what the government is publishing, but at least explain why you don't believe it. I don't agree with a lot of research on a lot of topics, but I can give a reasonable argument why I don't agree.
Isn't it equally as bonkers to claim that climate change is mostly due to man made increases in CO2 and a rise in temperature of 1-2 degrees creates an existential risk to mankind? This is basically what the climate change agenda says. Can you rationalize this?
No it's not. You're an ignorant person who thinks they know things because they googled some shit.
My point is that you said we cannot control the weather, but that we can control the weather. My analysis is that it can't be done or we would be doing it. Like time travel. We MIGHT be able to impact a tiny portion of it, like seeding a particular cloud with something on a micro scale, with the hopes of having water condense and fall out of the sky and onto the ground. But we certainly cannot create, magnify, modify, redirect, or dissipate a hurricane. People can't keep a secret about ANYTHING. You think this kind of thing is happening but is under wraps of some grand conspiracy?
We are doing weather modification. so by your rationale, it must work. I posted links to colorado and Texas government weather modification sites. This is small scale weather manipulation.
Our government tried to modify hurricanes 75 years ago with mixed success. Do you think scientists and the government just gave up on this because their first attempt was not a success? Of course not.
The idea of keeping this a secret is not an issue. Most people don't follow weather technology closely and most researchers are acting in good faith, so there is nothing to hide. If there are military uses for weather modification warfare, usually these departments are compartmentalized enough that very few people can put the complete picture together so this type of stuff does not get out.
However, most weather modification is done by normal scientists and researchers who are trying to invent cool stuff that will work. Its not necessarily a secret, but weather researchers don't have a captive audience where they can share what is all going on. Most people simply don't care.
We have learned since then. We've learned there's no technologies we have available to control any hurricanes; Cat 1 on up.
They are driven by regional weather patterns and ocean currents.
ZERO of which refer to "controlling hurricanes".
MOST of which refer to seeding existing clouds to drop rainfall/snowfall in a slightly different area than they would have.
Even that is a pretty marginal effect.
I am here to say that weather modification is happening. Many on this board dispute that. I have provided links to prove it is happening.
You seem like you want to debate the effectiveness of weather modification. We are not to that point yet because we can't even all agree it is happening in the first place much less how they are doing it and how effective it is.
If you can convince the dimwits on here that geoengineering is not a conspiracy, then I would be happy to discuss how effective it is.
Do you agree with what MTG has been saying? That the government is manipulating hurricanes?
The only links for weather modification happening is the cloud seeding. Assuming arguendo that such a thing is efficacious, that is not the same thing as manipulating, i.e., controlling, hurricanes. Both have to do with weather and attempts to impact it, but that's it.
Yes, believing that increasing atmospheric greenhouse gases impacts the earth's greenhouse effect is equally as bonkers as believing that the democrats are generating and controlling hurricanes to send at the republicans.
The same group that thinks democrats are controlling the weather maintains that it is ridiculous to believe that humans can increase greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. Can you rationalize that?
To say this theory is picking up steam on social media is an understatement. All of the critical, independent thinkers are repeating it now as factual. I had somebody ask me "If the democrats aren't behind it, why does NYC never get hit?". Critical thinker, that one.
Yep, no other possible explanation on why Florida/Alabama/Louisiana/Texas get more hurricane hits than the Northeast. Clearly it's the evil democrats with their evil genius plans.
Of course the mainstream media isn't covering it!
Meanwhile the republicans are getting ready to unleash a mega earthquake on California. I just know it.
"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has granted a patent to RH2 Engineering, Inc., (RH2) for its Advanced Seismic Controller System."
Hmmm.........
Yep, no other possible explanation on why Florida/Alabama/Louisiana/Texas get more hurricane hits than the Northeast. Clearly it's the evil democrats with their evil genius plans.
Of course the mainstream media isn't covering it!
Meanwhile the republicans are getting ready to unleash a mega earthquake on California. I just know it.
"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has granted a patent to RH2 Engineering, Inc., (RH2) for its Advanced Seismic Controller System."
Hmmm.........
Reminds of a woman who called into a radio show and asked why they put up deer crossing signs to tell deer to cross roads.
I don't like to do it, but I've had to add a new poster/troll to the ignore list. I have both democrats and republicans on "ignore". The usual reasons for it are vitriol and/or monotony (some folks can't just move on from a thread). To my best recollection, I think this is the first time I've had to use the "ignore" feature for stupidity.
Yes; it absolutely is. And it's because we've increased CO2 levels by 50% since the beginning of the Industrial Age.
You continue to deny the facts here.
