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It sounds like that wouldn’t work because there can only be 15 roster spots. Even if it would, why would our good players that actually play pay their own way? If someone was switching to a walk-on, it should be someone at the end of the bench that isn’t contributing in games. Those players would be better to just get NIL.
Is this for sure true, that we can only can have 15 roster spots regardless of scholarship status? I'm certain that isn't the case for the men's program given multiple walk-ons and the possibility that Brauns may very well exercise that option.

The only reason I threw out Martin and Marshall is because they've already had a paid ride for 4 years. Heck, I've seen the idea of Clark rescinding her ride discussed (not seriously I presume) given her NIL earnings.

Likely a non-starter - especially if we can only have 15 roster spots regardless of scholarship status - but thought I'd mention it.
 
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Regarding potential transfers...the name that pops out to me is Wetering maybe wanting to play with her sister. It's down levels, but it crossed my mind.

Davis also seems possible with Feuerbach returning.
 
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Regarding potential transfers...the name that pops out to me is Wetering maybe wanting to play with her sister. It's down levels, but it crossed my mind.

Davis also seems possible with Feuerbach returning.
I just have a hard time seeing Feuerbach at the 1, that would put a lot of pressure on Etienne to play at a high level right away.
 
Iowa isn’t adding 3 transfers but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t get a big.

Why do we need to “pump the brakes”? Iowa has a generational talent, I say full steam ahead!
I didn't say iowa is adding 3, only that fans on the board want the big names in the portal so far. Full steam ahead huh?, win at all cost.....well then I hope Clark transfers her last year and can't wait to watch all of the fans like you bitch and whine about loyalty if she left,
 
I didn't say iowa is adding 3, only that fans on the board want the big names in the portal so far. Full steam ahead huh?, win at all cost.....well then I hope Clark transfers her last year and can't wait to watch all of the fans like you bitch and whine about loyalty if she left,
So a top player wants to come here, that Iowa needs, but Bluder shuts them down because you think they should maintain some higher level of integrity? Iowa came within ONE win of the national championship and you want to “pump the breaks”.

Really sad that you’re advocating Clark leaves just to prove some kind of point on a message board. If Clark did ever leave it would be because she wants to win a NC and the coaches were too busy “pumping the breaks”.
 
I don't know anything about women's recruiting, but if a top 6-7 player wants to come, there will be a spot open. I am sure that Betts has had conversations with the Iowa coaches. Coach Jensen seems to know how to develop centers, and Betts might be the best prospect she has gotten to work with.
 
There are no scholarships available.

Correct. All 15 scholarships are spoken for. How are they gonna add anyone else?

2023-2024 Iowa Hawkeyes​

Point Guard (3)

Seniors – Molly Davis, Caitlin Clark

Juniors – none

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – Kennise Johnson-Etienne

Shooting Guard (3)

Seniors – Gabbie Marshall

Juniors – Kylie Feuerbach

Sophomores – Taylor McCabe

Freshmen – none

Small Forward (3)

Seniors – Kate Martin

Juniors – Sydney Affolter, Shateah Wetering

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – none

Power Forward (3)

Seniors – none

Juniors – none

Sophomores – Jada Gyamfi, Hannah Stuelke

Freshmen – Ava Jones

Center (3)

Seniors – none

Juniors – AJ Ediger, Sharon Goodman, Addison O’Grady

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – none

TOTAL: 15/15​

 
I don't know the rules for moving an injured player to "grayshirt" status, and then possibly back on scholarship. Is that allowed? Seems logical, if the player is on board, but the NCAA and logic seldom get used in the same sentence.
 
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I don't know the rules for moving an injured player to "grayshirt" status, and then possibly back on scholarship. Is that allowed? Seems logical, if the player is on board, but the NCAA and logic seldom get used in the same sentence.

You bring up a good point regarding Ava Jones. She just had a 3rd surgery on a knee. She recently was struggling cognitively; not sure if that has improved or not. Is she ready to take on college course work? Or does she need a year of rehab at home first? It will be interesting to see if Ava makes it to campus in 4 months. I am guessing she does and she'll be enrolled at Iowa, but, we'll see.
 
Ava isn’t a player yet. She’s still in high school. She isn’t on the roster and her eligibility clock hasn’t started yet. She has a scholarship offer and a LOI signed for that scholarship. Coupling that with her need to do significant rehab is why many are suggesting that she take a gap year to get her health in order before starting school and joining the team. That would give her two years following the accident before starting college classes and starting her eligibility clock.

Even with a gap year she probably needs a redshirt to continue rehab to get to a point of being ready for high-major basketball. We have three players using up their final years of eligibility next year and Clark as a senior with the possibility of the Covid year. One roster spot could go to Av and still give us the necessary space for our other recruits.

The gap year idea is really a great idea to help the team during our short window with CC while also helping Ava get herself into a position for the most possible success before starting school. It is a win win solution.
 
I don't know the rules for moving an injured player to "grayshirt" status, and then possibly back on scholarship. Is that allowed? Seems logical, if the player is on board, but the NCAA and logic seldom get used in the same sentence.
I don't believe they can "greyshirt" her. This would be an obvious attempt to "hide " a player for a year. As we' e already discussed if there is in fact a 15 player limit then she also can't be a walk on without counting to the 15. My understanding is also that if she receives a medical hardship then she can not later be on a ride, or an active player. All this makes sense of course otherwise schools like UConn would be stashing an extra few players every year.....Ex: Paige Buekers on medical the last two years and not count against their limit, and then she returns next season....
 
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Ava isn’t a player yet. She’s still in high school. She isn’t on the roster and her eligibility clock hasn’t started yet. She has a scholarship offer and a LOI signed for that scholarship. Coupling that with her need to do significant rehab is why many are suggesting that she take a gap year to get her health in order before starting school and joining the team. That would give her two years following the accident before starting college classes and starting her eligibility clock.

Even with a gap year she probably needs a redshirt to continue rehab to get to a point of being ready for high-major basketball. We have three players using up their final years of eligibility next year and Clark as a senior with the possibility of the Covid year. One roster spot could go to Av and still give us the necessary space for our other recruits.

The gap year idea is really a great idea to help the team during our short window with CC while also helping Ava get herself into a position for the most possible success before starting school. It is a win win solution.
Sure that sounds great for the team and the fans, but what about Ava? I mean she graduates THIS year. What does she do next year? Sit at home. I have no doubt that she wants to be in Iowa City. If she takes a "gap year" then she CAN'T be on the team. No scholly, nothing. With all the medical bills how does her mom pay for her to go to school, because Iowa can NOT pay her way in your scenario. Her being enrolled at Iowa and being somewhat involved with the team will be very important to her mental recovery as well.
 
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I don't believe they can "greyshirt" her. This would be an obvious attempt to "hide " a player for a year. As we' e already discussed if there is in fact a 15 player limit then she also can't be a walk on without counting to the 15. My understanding is also that if she receives a medical hardship then she can not later be on a ride, or an active player. All this makes sense of course otherwise schools like UConn would be stashing an extra few players every year.....Ex: Paige Buekers on medical the last two years and not count against their limit, and then she returns next season....

Not sure how many walk ons you can have. The Iowa men have 4 walk ons and can have up to 13 on scholarship for a total of 17.

Scholarship limits, of course:

15: Women
13: Men
 
You bring up a good point regarding Ava Jones. She just had a 3rd surgery on a knee. She recently was struggling cognitively; not sure if that has improved or not. Is she ready to take on college course work? Or does she need a year of rehab at home first? It will be interesting to see if Ava makes it to campus in 4 months. I am guessing she does and she'll be enrolled at Iowa, but, we'll see.
I don't know if this is legal but can the U honor the scholarship offer one of the many sort of honorific and charitable scholarships available campus wide? Still let her sit with the team or whatever her capabilities allow so she feels part of the team. Save the BBall ride. Stand by her in any and every case, of course so if we have to burn a schollie and play with a 14 girl team them's the breaks.
 
Not sure how many walk ons you can have. The Iowa men have 4 walk ons and can have up to 13 on scholarship for a total of 17.

Scholarship limits, of course:

15: Women
13: Men
Thank you for the info. I don’t follow MBB so this is all new info to me. The questions now are:

1) Are all 17 MBB players eligible to be on the floor?
2) Do these walk ons pay their own tuition? Not rly super consequential, just curious. If boosters covered it, I’ll be very intrigued.
3) Lauren Betts or another impact transfer like everyone wants here would need 2 years of tuition plus living expenses ($70k) plus actual cash (idk…say $50k?) for TWO years since we are at capacity for two years. Even if CC gave up her scholarship, Betts will expect cash. For two years, since we are full for ‘23 and ‘24.

Do we have boosters ready to shell that much out for Wbb…like now?
 
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Thank you for the info. I don’t follow MBB so this is all new info to me. The questions now are:

1) Are all 17 MBB players eligible to be on the floor)
2) Do these walk ons pay their own tuition? Not rly super consequential, just curious.
3) Lauren Betts or another impact transfer like everyone wants here would need 2 years of tuition plus living expenses ($70k) plus actual cash (idk…say $50k?) for TWO years since we are at capacity for two years. Even if CC gave up her scholarship, Betts will expect cash. For two years, since we are full for ‘23 and ‘24.

Do we have boosters ready to shell that much out for Wbb…like now?
There is enough money in DSM for that buy. CC has cache up here and the downtown businesses would love the affiliation for a year or two marketing effort.
 
OK, I say Lauren Betts to walk on at Iowa, with lucrative NIL deals sponsored by the Betts, Clark, O'Grady Law Firm and DMCN (Des Moines Colorado Northern) Railroad:D
 
I don't know if this is legal but can the U honor the scholarship offer one of the many sort of honorific and charitable scholarships available campus wide? Still let her sit with the team or whatever her capabilities allow so she feels part of the team. Save the BBall ride. Stand by her in any and every case, of course so if we have to burn a schollie and play with a 14 girl team them's the breaks.

i honestly don't know what the rules are concerning someone in Ava's position. She's supposed to be on scholarship starting the 2023-2024 season but no one knows for sure how mentally and physically healed she is.

She just had her 3rd knee surgery. Lots of rehab to come. She was struggling cognitively as a result of her head injuries; has that improved where she'll be able to handle college course work? Only the family and coaches know what lies ahead over these next 4 or so months....
 
Thank you for the info. I don’t follow MBB so this is all new info to me. The questions now are:

1) Are all 17 MBB players eligible to be on the floor?

Fran would be able to play any of the 17 (13 scholarship players + 4 walk ons).

The 4 walk ons for next season:

Senior
Dante Eldridge (assistant coach Courtney Eldridge's son)--walk on.

Junior
Luc Laketa-- preferred walk on.

Sophomore
Carter Kingsbury--preferred walk on.

Freshman
Amarion Nimmers--preferred walk on.



2) Do these walk ons pay their own tuition? Not rly super consequential, just curious. If boosters covered it, I’ll be very intrigued.


Yep, they pay their own way


3) Lauren Betts or another impact transfer like everyone wants here would need 2 years of tuition plus living expenses ($70k) plus actual cash (idk…say $50k?) for TWO years since we are at capacity for two years. Even if CC gave up her scholarship, Betts will expect cash. For two years, since we are full for ‘23 and ‘24.

Do we have boosters ready to shell that much out for Wbb…like now?


I think the Swarm collective would be able to come through.
 
Looks like there's tons of idiots commenting but at least there's more people who are finally starting to post realistic things, would be great if we could land Betts and not do something like having to tell one of the bench players thanks but no thanks. I honestly don't think Bluder would do anything remotely like that, how many times in interviews does she convey the family aspect of the team. Was hoping iowa could figure out something for Jones' scholarship to both use it for Betts and a way for Jones etc...


Obviously there are people too Fing dense to comprehend what I said. I mean who the F would ever want Clark to leave? But that would be karma for all of the idiots who are clamoring for Bluder to add players via the portal left and right, and screw the consequences, such as team chemistry, pulling scholarships etc, win at all costs mentality.

Bunch of fair weather fans with no integrity. There are ZERO roster spots available. ZERO. In a perfect world iowa honors Jones and they scoop up Betts via portal. But these morons mentioning adding 3+ players when there isn't even close to being realistic and me saying "pump the brakes" is somehow not wanting to win a title just because I'd rather not win if that means Bluder has to essentially get rid of existing players.

Thankfully Bluder has integrity and class, something the win at all costs fans don't have.
 
Good Lord. Talk about someone who needs to "pump the brakes". Please post where ANYONE said that "Clark should leave". NO ONE said that. Again what MOST people have said, is that IF the coaches are having conversation with any possible transfers then it is possible they already know that a current team member had plans to leave, as has happened before due to lack of playing time. It also appears that none of us know EXACTLY just how strict the 15 player max roster is. I would agree that Lisa isn't going to ask anyone to "pay their own way". including Clark. Thats not happening. And just for the record "NIL" is not a tool to cover a walk ons expenses, and I don't see Lisa using it in that way. But again, we'll see what happens.
 
Sure that sounds great for the team and the fans, but what about Ava? I mean she graduates THIS year. What does she do next year? Sit at home. I have no doubt that she wants to be in Iowa City. If she takes a "gap year" then she CAN'T be on the team. No scholly, nothing. With all the medical bills how does her mom pay for her to go to school, because Iowa can NOT pay her way in your scenario. Her being enrolled at Iowa and being somewhat involved with the team will be very important to her mental recovery as well.
That’s the premise of a gap year. She doesn’t go to school. She spends the year rehabbing her body and brain(which was also damaged) at home. She concentrates on herself. She just had another surgery and doesn’t appear to walk all that well yet looking at the video from her making a token appearance in a game in January. Is she ready to go to a large campus where you constantly have to be walking all over the place when classes start in August? She’ll still likely have tons of rehab appointments this fall too. Not easy to fit those in with a full academic schedule. As a student athlete she would have to take at least 12 semester hours each semester her first year.

The gap year idea would provide tremendous value for her academic career. And potentially give her a buffer for an athletic career if she can ever have one. Ideally by the time she starts in 2024 her rehab appointments would be limited so she can spend more time focusing on being a student, and eventually a student athlete. That would allow her eligibility to last through the end of the 2029 season. It doesn’t make sense to start her eligibility clock this fall when she couldn’t play even if she wanted to. A gap year followed by a redshirt year gIves her 3 years between her accident and the first game which is hopefully enough to get strength, coordination, agility, basketball skills, and confidence back.

Yes, she misses out on a potentially exciting year of being on the team. But for her academic and future career success, which is significantly more important for her as she’ll likely never be a multi-million dollar pro player, it makes sense.
 
That’s the premise of a gap year. She doesn’t go to school. She spends the year rehabbing her body and brain(which was also damaged) at home. She concentrates on herself. She just had another surgery and doesn’t appear to walk all that well yet looking at the video from her making a token appearance in a game in January. Is she ready to go to a large campus where you constantly have to be walking all over the place when classes start in August? She’ll still likely have tons of rehab appointments this fall too. Not easy to fit those in with a full academic schedule. As a student athlete she would have to take at least 12 semester hours each semester her first year.

The gap year idea would provide tremendous value for her academic career. And potentially give her a buffer for an athletic career if she can ever have one. Ideally by the time she starts in 2024 her rehab appointments would be limited so she can spend more time focusing on being a student, and eventually a student athlete. That would allow her eligibility to last through the end of the 2029 season. It doesn’t make sense to start her eligibility clock this fall when she couldn’t play even if she wanted to. A gap year followed by a redshirt year gIves her 3 years between her accident and the first game which is hopefully enough to get strength, coordination, agility, basketball skills, and confidence back.

Yes, she misses out on a potentially exciting year of being on the team. But for her academic and future career success, which is significantly more important for her as she’ll likely never be a multi-million dollar pro player, it makes sense.
And thats all fine, IF thats what she wants to do. You also have to wonder about her mentally, and how much she needs to be part of something right now. Extensive rehab can be a lonely ordeal, as many of our past players have alluded to. Just wish the best for her regardless......
 
Looks like there's tons of idiots commenting but at least there's more people who are finally starting to post realistic things, would be great if we could land Betts and not do something like having to tell one of the bench players thanks but no thanks. I honestly don't think Bluder would do anything remotely like that, how many times in interviews does she convey the family aspect of the team. Was hoping iowa could figure out something for Jones' scholarship to both use it for Betts and a way for Jones etc...


Obviously there are people too Fing dense to comprehend what I said. I mean who the F would ever want Clark to leave? But that would be karma for all of the idiots who are clamoring for Bluder to add players via the portal left and right, and screw the consequences, such as team chemistry, pulling scholarships etc, win at all costs mentality.

Bunch of fair weather fans with no integrity. There are ZERO roster spots available. ZERO. In a perfect world iowa honors Jones and they scoop up Betts via portal. But these morons mentioning adding 3+ players when there isn't even close to being realistic and me saying "pump the brakes" is somehow not wanting to win a title just because I'd rather not win if that means Bluder has to essentially get rid of existing players.

Thankfully Bluder has integrity and class, something the win at all costs fans don't have.
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Let's say Iowa decides to circle the wagons and play with what they've got. I feel Hannah will make a noticeable step up and our collection of posts will make incremental improvements. Even with this, I don't think they'll be able to collectively perform as well as Monika and McKenna, so that's going to be a step back. Are there significant improvements possible from Caitlin, Gabby, and Kate? Maybe, but not counting on it. Always possible that a bench player takes a huge step forward, but that's a big if. In this scenario I see us as 13-5 in the Big 10, 24-8 overall, and probably a Sweet 16 only finish.

A player like Lauren Betts could potentially be the difference between that and another title run. I'm old school, all for the family thing, and hope Iowa sticks with that as well. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is, what about a player that clearly isn't going to see much of the floor next year actually stepping back for the betterment of the team? I'm not saying leaving Iowa, but sacrificing their roster spot? I know there's ways of making this happen.
If we don't add anyone, go 2 and out in March, that could reduce the chances that Caitlin would come back for a 5th year. She's given everything to get Iowa to where we are, is the team willing to reciprocate?

We know Caitlin will eventually be gone, but we have a narrow window to create a longer lasting buzz around our program if we can get two more years as a Final Four threat. Adding a player like Lauren Betts and having more great seasons like this one, coupled with our unmatched support for the womens' team, can attract a higher level of recruit to sustain things for a long time.

I hope we do what it takes to bolster our roster. I'm joining the Swarm Collective to back the process.
 
Ava isn’t a player yet. She’s still in high school. She isn’t on the roster and her eligibility clock hasn’t started yet. She has a scholarship offer and a LOI signed for that scholarship. Coupling that with her need to do significant rehab is why many are suggesting that she take a gap year to get her health in order before starting school and joining the team. That would give her two years following the accident before starting college classes and starting her eligibility clock.

Even with a gap year she probably needs a redshirt to continue rehab to get to a point of being ready for high-major basketball. We have three players using up their final years of eligibility next year and Clark as a senior with the possibility of the Covid year. One roster spot could go to Av and still give us the necessary space for our other recruits.

The gap year idea is really a great idea to help the team during our short window with CC while also helping Ava get herself into a position for the most possible success before starting school. It is a win win solution.
I agree because regardless of her scholarship at Iowa or any other recruits Ava needs to totally focus on her physical health and well-being at this point, JMO.
 
I don't believe they can "greyshirt" her. This would be an obvious attempt to "hide " a player for a year. As we' e already discussed if there is in fact a 15 player limit then she also can't be a walk on without counting to the 15. My understanding is also that if she receives a medical hardship then she can not later be on a ride, or an active player. All this makes sense of course otherwise schools like UConn would be stashing an extra few players every year.....Ex: Paige Buekers on medical the last two years and not count against their limit, and then she returns next season....
For dishonest programs, I understand, but there should be a way to make this happen. Maybe she goes off scholarship and is then re-recruited, once she is ready to play. I don't know the family situation or whether she would even want to start attending classes this year, but this makes a lot of sense for both Ava and the team.
 
And just for the record "NIL" is not a tool to cover a walk ons expenses, and I don't see Lisa using it in that way. But again, we'll see what happens.

It actually is being used for precisely that at some schools. Google the BYU football team, which had a corporate sponsor pay tuition for multiple walk-ons this year.
 
It actually is being used for precisely that at some schools. Google the BYU football team, which had a corporate sponsor pay tuition for multiple walk-ons this year.
I don't need to google it, I know whats happening. I also believe that Iowa, and certainly Bluders team is trying to work within the intent of NIL. Again, we'll see what happens....
 
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There is a difference (probably subtle) between telling a player to leave vs recommending a player to leave. Which of the following would be a more "compassionate" action from Bluder?:
  • Letting a player know she is welcome to stay, but also letting her know clearly know that there will be very limited minutes for the next year, or even the next 2-3 years.
  • Stringing a player along ("if you continue to work hard...."), knowing full well that player is very unlikely to contribute much.
Obviously, the coach could use a bullying approach for bullet 1 above, but I trust Bluder. Also, I will say that I do not know if any Iowa players would be in this type of situation.
 
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