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WBB Former #1 Ranked Recruit Lauren Betts¥update bets to UCLA

If shes healthy Sharon brings more of the back to basket scoring like Monica, OGrady brings the potential for better rim protection, and a different style of offense. But the allure of Betts would be size and rebounding that Iowa struggled with. It seemed to me there were two things that caused Iowa to sag off on 3 point defens against LSA and SC. 1) Lack of rebounding/rim protection and 2) Clark needing to play so many minutes where she is responsible for so much of the offense. It seems to me like you have to pick 2 of the following: play 35+ minutes a game, expend a ton of energy on offense without wearing down, expend a ton of energy on defense without wearing down..
 
Do you have a link to this article you mention above? What you are saying goes against everything the rules state about coaches paying athletes or being involved with paying athletes. NIL collectives are a very uneven type of pay scheme right now with star players an recruits getting most of the money and most athletes getting nothing.

Athletes can get their own NIL deals outside of collectives and coaches and school athl dept personnel have zero reason to be involved with those deals.

I would like to read that article
It was on hawk central and only for subscribers. Here is the excerpt.

“On Friday, Heinrichs closed a two-year deal for $50,000 annually from a new corporate sponsor directed toward women’s basketball. Two years are the maximum Clark can play at Iowa before her eligibility expires; Morrow would have two years remaining, too.

To use that $1 million example, if SWARM can get there for women’s basketball, that would equate to nearly $67,000 per player, minus administrative costs. There is no maximum, so the numbers could get even higher. The collective makes sure that Bluder and other coaches sign off on how the money is distributed, too. Every collective nationally operates differently, but Iowa's philosophy in Year 1 has been to pay everyone evenly (outside of individual endorsement deals).”

This is only regarding money raised by the collective, not individual deals players sign. Clearly if Swarm wanted to land Betts or Morrow they’d need to figure out some uneven distribution.
 
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The whole Betts to Iowa thing seems to have been started by a single article citing "sources" but not actually mentioning anything about what the "sources" said.

At this point we have little to no concrete information that says Iowa is actively considering adding a transfer. We do know that Iowa just added a 2024 recruit, which would make adding a transfer with multiple years of eligibility even more difficult.

100%. This comment should be stickied, if possible.

However, Raina recently following Morrow and Clark liking the Betts post are undeniably very interesting.
 
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Iowa has already said they will honor the scholarship and got a lot of good publicity as a result. If Ava is coming to .Iowa City this fall, and I have seen nothing yet saying she won't, I think she's taking one of the 15 scholarships

Iowa has already said they will honor the scholarship and got a lot of good publicity as a result. If Ava is coming to Iowa City this fall, and I have seen nothing yet saying she won't, I think she's taking one of the 15 scholarships.
No doubt that Bluder would honor her commitment, but if Ava isn't ready for BB or school, could something be done to postpone the beginning of her scholarship? I don't know the rules, and it might just be an agreement between Bluder and Ava that she will have a scholarship when she is ready.
 
It was on hawk central and only for subscribers. Here is the excerpt.

“On Friday, Heinrichs closed a two-year deal for $50,000 annually from a new corporate sponsor directed toward women’s basketball. Two years are the maximum Clark can play at Iowa before her eligibility expires; Morrow would have two years remaining, too.

To use that $1 million example, if SWARM can get there for women’s basketball, that would equate to nearly $67,000 per player, minus administrative costs. There is no maximum, so the numbers could get even higher. The collective makes sure that Bluder and other coaches sign off on how the money is distributed, too. Every collective nationally operates differently, but Iowa's philosophy in Year 1 has been to pay everyone evenly (outside of individual endorsement deals).”

This is only regarding money raised by the collective, not individual deals players sign. Clearly if Swarm wanted to land Betts or Morrow they’d need to figure out some uneven distribution.

I see, it seems the collective reached out to hawk coaches etc to decide on a pool of money. I can see that which is sort of the intent of giving players stipends. In order to get a really big talent like Betts a collective or that player or the player's reps can create another NIL type deal that gets fed money from somewhere for doing something. The Swarm people could easily create another instance of itself just for one player.
 
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I know everyone is trying to figure a way out of the "we don't have any scholarships to offer" mess.

But Ava and her family having to pay for out of state tuition, housing and food (when all of this would be free if Iowa honors her scholarship) is a "perfect fit?"

Have you asked Ava's mom if she considers this "perfect?"





Again, the only problem is, Iowa said it would be honoring her scholarship, so if she's on campus, taking classes, Iowa has said she will be on scholarship.
Exactly right Fran. All of these scenarios sound great for the fans, but they are not what Lisa promised her, nor would she be "part of the team".
 
No doubt that Bluder would honor her commitment, but if Ava isn't ready for BB or school, could something be done to postpone the beginning of her scholarship? I don't know the rules, and it might just be an agreement between Bluder and Ava that she will have a scholarship when she is ready.

I haven't seen any report YET that Ava is delaying attending (and taking coursework) at Iowa. And, of course, she wants to play basketball again. Iowa is honoring the scholarship whether she plays one minute in a game or not. It will be interesting to see how her situation all pans out.
 
I know everyone is trying to figure a way out of the "we don't have any scholarships to offer" mess.

But Ava and her family having to pay for out of state tuition, housing and food (when all of this would be free if Iowa honors her scholarship) is a "perfect fit?"

Have you asked Ava's mom if she considers this "perfect?"

Again, the only problem is, Iowa said it would be honoring her scholarship, so if she's on campus, taking classes, Iowa has said she will be on scholarship.
Yes; Amy, Ava, and I have spoken extensively on the subject. I'm passing along their perspectives...

1. Both agree that Ava would benefit greatly from a gray shirt scholarship as she's suffered traumatic brain and physical injuries (per ESPN). A semester to further rehab at home and then take part-time classes while acclimating to the rigors of college while further rehabbing is exactly what the gray shirt is designed for and would be a perfect fit for them. It's what's in Ava's best interest is the key.

2. They feel that anybody who thinks that there wouldn't be NIL or donor / booster money available to pay for one semester for part-time tuition / books / activity fees plus room and board to free up a scholarship for missing piece(s) for a NCAA championship is extremely naive. Really? IA just sold out CHA for the upcoming season, the number one reason WBB recorded record attendance and viewership was because of Clark and IA. This involves millions of dollars and people don't think we'd find a way to cover one semester expenses to free up a scholarship? Heck, Clark is chasing down NIL money in DSM and other places right now to bring in the missing pieces. How naive can some of you be?

3. Amy and Ava recognize that a Gray Shirt Scholarship, is by definition a Scholarship, similar to a Red Shirt Scholarship. They recognize that Ava is part of the IA team in every realistic sense and IA has / will fulfill their responsibilities to the Jones family.

4. Ava and Amy (as does our good friend skydog0784) prefers that either standard transfers or NIL money to bring in the missing piece(s), per my last sentence in #2 above, is pursued but recognize this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to win a National Championship as Clark is guaranteed to be at IA for only one more year. We understand that we'll have a ride (Gray Shirt Scholarship and then a standard scholarship the following year) and we want to be part of something special.

5. We need to strike while the iron is hot. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, golden opportunity and do not want to miss it. To be clear, moving Ava to Gray Shirt Scholarship is the third preferred option behind standard transfer, NIL money to bring in the missing pieces off-scholarship (similar to Brauns on the men's side).

6. Our (Ava and Amy) good friend, skydog0784, has been a constance source of wisdom, guidance, and inspiration to us on all medical, athletic, spiritual, and rehabilitation matters. He is in our inner-circle and speaks for us. His perspective, as it pertains to the Jones family, and really anything for that matter; is beyond reproach and should be taken as gospel.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just addressing your question and conveying what Ava and Amy has asked me to pass along.
 
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Yes; Amy, Ava, and I have spoken extensively on the subject. I'm passing along their perspectives...

1. Both Amy and I agree that Ava would benefit greatly from a gray shirt scholarship as she's suffered traumatic brain and physical injuries (per ESPN). A semester to further rehab at home and then take part-time classes while acclimating to the rigors of college while further rehabbing is exactly what the gray shirt is designed for and would be a perfect fit for them. It's what's in Ava's best interest is the key.


Since, while attempting to be clever, you claim that Amy and Ava have spoken extensively on this subject, it should be easy to provide LINKS to the many stories where Ava's mother (Amy) said that she's ok with Ava attending Iowa where Amy is paying for Ava's out of state tuition, housing and food.

It should also be easy to provide LINKS to the many stories where Amy and Ava said this would be a perfect fit for them.

Please provide those links.


2. They feel that anybody who thinks that there wouldn't be NIL or donor / booster money available to pay for one semester for part-time tuition / books / activity fees plus room and board to free up a scholarship for missing piece(s) for a NCAA championship is extremely naive. Really? IA just sold out CHA for the upcoming season, the number one reason WBB recorded record attendance and viewership. This involves millions of dollars and people don't think we'd find a way to cover one semester expenses to free up a scholarship? Heck, Clark is chasing down NIL money in DSM and other places right now to bring in the missing pieces. How naive can some of you be?


You are being naïve and are obviously assuming /hoping for a lot here.

News flash: hope is not a good strategy.


3. Amy and Ava recognize that a Gray Shirt Scholarship, is by definition a Scholarship, similar to a Red Shirt Scholarship.


So, a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food? Since when?
 
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Since you claim that Amy and Ava have spoken extensively on this subject, it should be easy to provide LINKS to the many stories where Ava's mother (Amy) said that she's ok with Ava attending Iowa where Amy is paying for Ava's out of state tuition, housing and food.

It should also be easy to provide LINKS to the many stories where Amy and Ava said this would be a perfect fit for them.

Please provide those links.

You are being naïve and are obviously assuming a lot here.

So, a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food? Since when?
You have a simple mind Fran (queue Fran to say something simple like "speaking of simple minds" with his response further proving the point)...

The point is, and I presume you'll need to move your lips while you read this, this IA team will not stay pat despite your repeated posts indicating that we have no rides available.
 
You have a simple mind Fran (queue for Fran to say something simple like "speaking of simple minds" with his response further proving the point)...

The point is, and I presume you'll need to move your lips while you read this, this IA team will not stay pat despite your repeated post indicating that we have no rides available.


We all know you're not very bright so no one should be surprised by your continued stupid responses when it comes to the Ava Jones situation. Like I said in my previous post, you were attempting to be funny, yet, as everyone can see, you were still attempting to make your points.

And you also stated incorrectly that a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food.

You should really think before you type. I know that's probably hard for you, but please at least try.
 
Exactly right Fran. All of these scenarios sound great for the fans, but they are not what Lisa promised her, nor would she be "part of the team".

Well, @skydog0784 has a very simple mind and clearly does not think things through before he types. He wrote that Ava and her family having to pay for out of state tuition, housing and food (when all of this would be free if Iowa honors her scholarship) would be a "perfect fit." How would that be perfect for the Jones' bank account?

Again, Iowa said it would be honoring her scholarship, so if Ava is on campus and taking classes, Iowa has said she will be on scholarship.
 
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The whole Betts to Iowa thing seems to have been started by a single article citing "sources" but not actually mentioning anything about what the "sources" said.

At this point we have little to no concrete information that says Iowa is actively considering adding a transfer. We do know that Iowa just added a 2024 recruit, which would make adding a transfer with multiple years of eligibility even more difficult.
I have read that she will probably decide between UCLA or home state Colorado. I think Betts to Iowa is unlikely.
 
We all know you're not very bright so no one should be surprised by your continued stupid responses when it comes to the Ava Jones situation. Like I said in my previous post, you were attempting to be funny, yet, as everyone can see, you were still attempting to make your points.

And you also stated incorrectly that a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food.

You should really think before you type. I know that's probably hard for you, but please at least try.
Well, @skydog0784 has a very simple mind and clearly does not think things through before he types. He wrote that Ava and her family having to pay for out of state tuition, housing and food (when all of this would be free if Iowa honors her scholarship) would be a "perfect fit." How would that be perfect for the Jones' bank account?

Again, Iowa said it would be honoring her scholarship, so if Ava is on campus and taking classes, Iowa has said she will be on scholarship.
Nice job, we all knew you wouldn't disappoint Fran. In fact, you're so simple you couldn't even come up with a unique response beyond me calling the same thing I pointed out that the rest of us think of you. LOL!!

All of Ava's tuition, room and board would be paid for if it came down to that third option. The rules have changed. Do you honestly think Ava would have to pay for her tuition, etc. in these day's of NIL given the IA WBB current situation (millions of dollars)? Really? Do you honestly think that?
 
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We all know simple minded @skydog0784 wants Ava to gray shirt so she doesn't take up a scholarship. Skydog calls gray shirting the "perfect fit" for Ava.

However, in another thread, someone asked who would pay for Ava's tuition, books, room, board, etc while she is a gray shirt. Someone responded with "Hy-Vee."

Skydog then replied with this:

Exactly, I can't believe some people can't see the rules have changed with the NIL coupled with the IA WBB unique opportunity we're presented with.


"With the NIL?" LOL

Simple minded, not very bright people like skydog construct poorly worded sentences like this. And we all know about NIL and we all know about the fact that we have Caitlin for one, maybe two, more years.

Skydog is obviously naïve in thinking that a gray shirt is the perfect fit for Ava and that someone or a company like Hy-Vee would simply step in and pay for out of state tuition, room and board for a semester or longer.
 
Nice job, we all knew you wouldn't disappoint Fran. In fact, you're so simple you couldn't even come up with a unique response beyond me calling the same thing I pointed out that the rest of us think of you. LOL!!

All of Ava's tuition, room and board would be paid for if it came down to that third option. The rules have changed. Do you honestly think Ava would have to pay for her tuition, etc. in these day's of NIL given the IA WBB current situation (millions of dollars)? Really? Do you honestly think that?

Don’t ask him to cut and paste another article. Please.
 
Don’t ask him to cut and paste another article. Please.
Good point, the last thing is we need is the idiot to keep pasting yet another article and repeating the same thing others have said (simple mind, naive, etc.).

Has this guy ever had an original thought?
 
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Nice job, we all knew you wouldn't disappoint Fran. In fact, you're so simple you couldn't even come up with a unique response beyond me calling the same thing I pointed out that the rest of us think of you. LOL!!

All of Ava's tuition, room and board would be paid for if it came down to that third option. The rules have changed. Do you honestly think Ava would have to pay for her tuition, etc. in these day's of NIL given the IA WBB current situation (millions of dollars)? Really? Do you honestly think that?

LOL

We all know you're not very bright, but do you ever proof read what you type?

And I know it's hard for you but try not to get so mad and butt hurt when someone points out that you're an idiot and naive.

And, again, you stated incorrectly that a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food. You clearly are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.
 
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Good point, the last thing is we need is the idiot to keep pasting yet another article and repeating the same thing others have said (simple mind, naive, etc.).

Has this guy ever had an original thought?


Well, we all know you can't construct sentences and are incapable of thought.

And I correctly called you an idiot. And now you are repeating what I called you. So, you're a hypocrite, too. Not much worse than a hypocrite.
 
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Fran literally can't come up with an original thought.

Well, I accurately called you an idiot. You then got butt hurt and couldn't come up with an original thought and called me an idiot.

And, again, you stated incorrectly that a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food. You clearly are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

How's that for some original thoughts, dumb ass?
 
Well, I accurately called you an idiot. You then got butt hurt and couldn't come up with an original thought and called me an idiot.

And, again, you stated incorrectly that a redshirt scholar pays for their tuition, housing and food. You clearly are ignorant and don't know what you are talking about.

How's that for some original thoughts, dumb ass?
Well those original thoughts don't sound very kind at all...
 
Oh good, we've finally reached the childish namecalling segment of the thread. Now we're getting somewhere!
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Can someone point me to the rule on roster size limit for women’s basketball? It’s clear that scholarship limit is 15 but I can’t find anything definitive on roster size limit.
 
roster size is semantics. roster means the 15 names eligible to participate in a specific game. team size would be entirely different.
 
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Can someone point me to the rule on roster size limit for women’s basketball? It’s clear that scholarship limit is 15 but I can’t find anything definitive on roster size limit.
I’ve been asking this for a week now on multiple threads and twitter and no one has been able to provide it unfortunately.
 
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I am on the Hawk Central text group and it was explained to Chad by the Iowa compliance office in detail what the rules are.

Yes; Amy, Ava, and I have spoken extensively on the subject. I'm passing along their perspectives...

1. Both agree that Ava would benefit greatly from a gray shirt scholarship as she's suffered traumatic brain and physical injuries (per ESPN). A semester to further rehab at home and then take part-time classes while acclimating to the rigors of college while further rehabbing is exactly what the gray shirt is designed for and would be a perfect fit for them. It's what's in Ava's best interest is the key.

2. They feel that anybody who thinks that there wouldn't be NIL or donor / booster money available to pay for one semester for part-time tuition / books / activity fees plus room and board to free up a scholarship for missing piece(s) for a NCAA championship is extremely naive. Really? IA just sold out CHA for the upcoming season, the number one reason WBB recorded record attendance and viewership was because of Clark and IA. This involves millions of dollars and people don't think we'd find a way to cover one semester expenses to free up a scholarship? Heck, Clark is chasing down NIL money in DSM and other places right now to bring in the missing pieces. How naive can some of you be?

3. Amy and Ava recognize that a Gray Shirt Scholarship, is by definition a Scholarship, similar to a Red Shirt Scholarship. They recognize that Ava is part of the IA team in every realistic sense and IA has / will fulfill their responsibilities to the Jones family.

4. Ava and Amy (as does our good friend skydog0784) prefers that either standard transfers or NIL money to bring in the missing piece(s), per my last sentence in #2 above, is pursued but recognize this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to win a National Championship as Clark is guaranteed to be at IA for only one more year. We understand that we'll have a ride (Gray Shirt Scholarship and then a standard scholarship the following year) and we want to be part of something special.

5. We need to strike while the iron is hot. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, golden opportunity and do not want to miss it. To be clear, moving Ava to Gray Shirt Scholarship is the third preferred option behind standard transfer, NIL money to bring in the missing pieces off-scholarship (similar to Brauns on the men's side).

6. Our (Ava and Amy) good friend, skydog0784, has been a constance source of wisdom, guidance, and inspiration to us on all medical, athletic, spiritual, and rehabilitation matters. He is in our inner-circle and speaks for us. His perspective, as it pertains to the Jones family, and really anything for that matter; is beyond reproach and should be taken as gospel.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just addressing your question and conveying what Ava and Amy has asked me to pass along.
If this was Maryland, LSU, South Carolina a way would be found to find a spot for Betts. But......
 
LOL I was in school from 06-11 and I knew girls on the rowing team and they definitely rowed in high school. 2 from Chicago, one from Oregon. When did that change?
My granddaughter was on the rowing team at Iowa a few years ago and she didn’t row in high school. She was an excellent athlete in high school and very athletic and strong. About half the team rowed in high school or a club team. The rest were good athletes who played other sports.
 
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roster size is semantics. roster means the 15 names eligible to participate in a specific game. team size would be entirely different.
Thanks for this. If this true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, then there is our additional team member right there (no way Jones will be able to participate in games this year, not a slight on her nor is anybody giving up on that young lady). That further tells me that the rumors of bringing in a transfer via NIL is legitimate.
 
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