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and I don't see Lisa using it in that way
And again people misunderstand how this works. Coaches don’t really have any control over the players’ right to market their name, image, and likeness unless they want to bench players who sign deals they disapprove. If a collective or business wants to give a huge deal to a walk on, they can.
 
And again people misunderstand how this works. Coaches don’t really have any control over the players’ right to market their name, image, and likeness unless they want to bench players who sign deals they disapprove. If a collective or business wants to give a huge deal to a walk on, they can.
I believe the coach has to sign off on how collective money is distributed to players (not necessarily an NCAA rule, may just be a Swarm policy). I think I read an article that outlined this earlier this week. But I don’t think Bluder would object to this kind of situation. No top 5 transfer is coming to Iowa without significant cash going their way. Corporate donors know that as well and have likely given accordingly.

Furthermore, IF Bluder is going after a walk on she has known for weeks, which is why she brought back Marshall and Martin. Convos with Swarm leadership/boosters had to have been happening awhile now. We’re not raising $100k+ overnight.
 
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It would have to be a Swarm policy as it would be ILLEGAL for the NCAA to make such a rule.
Yeah it may not even be that she has to sign off, but she is certainly filled in / offers her opinion. I was surprised to read it actually.
 
That’s the premise of a gap year. She doesn’t go to school. She spends the year rehabbing her body and brain(which was also damaged) at home. She concentrates on herself. She just had another surgery and doesn’t appear to walk all that well yet looking at the video from her making a token appearance in a game in January. Is she ready to go to a large campus where you constantly have to be walking all over the place when classes start in August? She’ll still likely have tons of rehab appointments this fall too. Not easy to fit those in with a full academic schedule. As a student athlete she would have to take at least 12 semester hours each semester her first year.

The gap year idea would provide tremendous value for her academic career. And potentially give her a buffer for an athletic career if she can ever have one. Ideally by the time she starts in 2024 her rehab appointments would be limited so she can spend more time focusing on being a student, and eventually a student athlete. That would allow her eligibility to last through the end of the 2029 season. It doesn’t make sense to start her eligibility clock this fall when she couldn’t play even if she wanted to. A gap year followed by a redshirt year gIves her 3 years between her accident and the first game which is hopefully enough to get strength, coordination, agility, basketball skills, and confidence back.

Yes, she misses out on a potentially exciting year of being on the team. But for her academic and future career success, which is significantly more important for her as she’ll likely never be a multi-million dollar pro player, it makes sense.
I agree with this sentiment.

The gray shirt scholarship (as another poster also suggested) is a perfect fit for Ava Jones and her situation. It appears, Ava would postpone her enrollment until spring semester (giving her another semester to rehab both physically and mentally at home) and then enter IA as a part-time student. She wouldn't be allowed to practice with the team next spring but she likely physically can't anyway. She still would still be at the U of I rehabbing, hanging around with the team, and very much a part of the team (as much as can be expected) next spring semester when the B1G and NCAA title runs will occur. She wouldn't be on scholarship counting towards the 15.

This type of scholarship offer looks like it's written for this situation and is in Ava's best interest; which should be the overriding consideration.

Grayshirt scholarship offer​

This is one of the more challenging offers from a college coach. A grayshirt is an incoming college freshman who postpones enrollment for a semester. Instead of enrolling right away in the fall, a grayshirt freshman enrolls in classes for the second term (winter) of freshman year. During their first semester of college, a grayshirt does not enroll as a full-time student. Instead, they only take part-time classes. A grayshirt also does not join the team, practice with the team or receive a scholarship during their first, part-time semester.
 
And again people misunderstand how this works. Coaches don’t really have any control over the players’ right to market their name, image, and likeness unless they want to bench players who sign deals they disapprove. If a collective or business wants to give a huge deal to a walk on, they can.
I don't think thats the case at all. Certainly companies can sign player to an NIL deal, no argument there. BUT how that player fits into the situation on the roster, as a scholly player or walk on IS most assuredly under the control of the head coach. To assume otherwise is absurd.
 
I agree with this sentiment.

The gray shirt scholarship (as another poster also suggested) is a perfect fit for Ava Jones and her situation. It appears, Ava would postpone her enrollment until spring semester (giving her another semester to rehab both physically and mentally at home) and then enter IA as a part-time student. She wouldn't be allowed to practice with the team next spring but she likely physically can't anyway. She still would still be at the U of I rehabbing, hanging around with the team, and very much a part of the team (as much as can be expected) next spring semester when the B1G and NCAA title runs will occur. She wouldn't be on scholarship counting towards the 15.

This type of scholarship offer looks like it's written for this situation and is in Ava's best interest; which should be the overriding consideration.

Grayshirt scholarship offer​

This is one of the more challenging offers from a college coach. A grayshirt is an incoming college freshman who postpones enrollment for a semester. Instead of enrolling right away in the fall, a grayshirt freshman enrolls in classes for the second term (winter) of freshman year. During their first semester of college, a grayshirt does not enroll as a full-time student. Instead, they only take part-time classes. A grayshirt also does not join the team, practice with the team or receive a scholarship during their first, part-time semester.
Okay, sounds great. We'll see what Lisa and her work out.
 
Not sure how many walk ons you can have. The Iowa men have 4 walk ons and can have up to 13 on scholarship for a total of 17.

Scholarship limits, of course:

15: Women
13: Men
And, as I posted in another thread, I looked up the Iowa men's roster. Even though there are 4 walk ons, there are only 11 scholarship players. So there are only 15 players on the roster. Iowa has that many walk ons because there aren't enough scholarship players.
 
We keep talking about this and people keep saying the same thing. To my understanding, ALL players whether on a full ride or not count against the 15 max on the squad. We are at 15. Clark giving up her ride would NOT change anything because she still counts as 1 of the 15. They get 15 compared to the mens team only getting 13 rides.
Interesting…what’s the reason(s) the women’s team gets a 15 player limit vs 13 for the men’s team?
 
Correct. All 15 scholarships are spoken for. How are they gonna add anyone else?

2023-2024 Iowa Hawkeyes​

Point Guard (3)

Seniors – Molly Davis, Caitlin Clark

Juniors – none

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – Kennise Johnson-Etienne

Shooting Guard (3)

Seniors – Gabbie Marshall

Juniors – Kylie Feuerbach

Sophomores – Taylor McCabe

Freshmen – none

Small Forward (3)

Seniors – Kate Martin

Juniors – Sydney Affolter, Shateah Wetering

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – none

Power Forward (3)

Seniors – none

Juniors – none

Sophomores – Jada Gyamfi, Hannah Stuelke

Freshmen – Ava Jones

Center (3)

Seniors – none

Juniors – AJ Ediger, Sharon Goodman, Addison O’Grady

Sophomores – none

Freshmen – none

TOTAL: 15/15​

You keep posting this but by this logic there is no chance Caitlin Clark could get a fifth season because with this weekends commitment the roster is full for the class of 2024. Does anyone really believe that if Caitlin Clark wants to return for a fifth they wouldn’t find room for her?
 
You keep posting this but by this logic there is no chance Caitlin Clark could get a fifth season because with this weekends commitment the roster is full for the class of 2024. Does anyone really believe that if Caitlin Clark wants to return for a fifth they wouldn’t find room for her?
Are we full for 2024-2025 at this point?

By my count, we lose Martin, Marshall, Davis (all will have used their Covid year) with Heiden, Mallegni committed. That assumes the current roster including Jones. Regardless, to cjr1310's point, you know darn well they'd find a way to have Clark return for her Covid year if she chooses to do so.
 
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Are we full for 2024-2025 at this point?

By my count, we lose Martin, Marshall, Davis (all will have used their Covid year) with Heiden, Mallegni committed. That assumes the current roster including Jones. Regardless, to cjr1310's point, you know darn well they'd find a way to have Clark return for her Covid year if she chooses to do so.
They also have Callie Levin and Taylor Stremlow as 2024 commits.
 
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They also have Callie Levin and Taylor Stremlow as 2024 commits.
Ahhh, thanks. I remember Levin committed too now that you mention it.

So we're full at this point - and that assumes Clark doesn't take her Covid year. Needless to say, you know darn well they'll find a way to have Clark on the roster in 2025 if she chooses to return (to your point in your post #132).
 
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Interesting…what’s the reason(s) the women’s team gets a 15 player limit vs 13 for the men’s team?
The same reason they've added strange sports like womens rowing, when NONE of the girls even participated in rowing before college. Title 9 requires them to balance the schollys levels for men and women, and there are 85 rides for football that need to be made up for.....
 
The same reason they've added strange sports like womens rowing, when NONE of the girls even participated in rowing before college. Title 9 requires them to balance the schollys levels for men and women, and there are 85 rides for football that need to be made up for.....
LOL I was in school from 06-11 and I knew girls on the rowing team and they definitely rowed in high school. 2 from Chicago, one from Oregon. When did that change?
 
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LOL I was in school from 06-11 and I knew girls on the rowing team and they definitely rowed in high school. 2 from Chicago, one from Oregon. When did that change?
They've always had the legitimate rowers who competed and then the scholarship fillers. I knew a couple girls from my high school that were decent athletes in other sports, not D1 material though, that got rowing scholarships.
 
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I stated earlier that from what I could find and what common sense would dictate the “roster” is not necessarily static. In fact in the NCAA rules it alludes that the “roster” is actually fluid. That it is the 15 players that are eligible to play in any one particular game. Based on that Hawks could only have 15 on scholarship but more actually on the team with only a chosen 15 able to participate…..so deduct any taking a redshirt year.
 
In purely basketball terms, Shateah might be the most likely transfer. She's playing behind too many people, but she's good enough that another school would love to have her. Decent size and athleticism, good shooter. She's an Iowa girl, and would likely prosper at Drake or UNI. Even Iowa State, as they just had 6 players leave the program. Another possibility is Jada G; who was last off the bench all season. Someone is going to want her on their squad. If Betts comes in, one might assume that Sharon G would consider leaving. AJ Ediger is another skilled player who's having a hard time getting minutes. It's a tough call for these athletes, they clearly love being at Iowa, get great support from the staff, and the team chemistry is palpable. But in the end, you didn't work this hard on your game for this long to sit. And they must have noticed how Lauren Jensen and Megan Meyer flourished at Creighton and Drake. On the other hand, some players might be very connected to the U for academics, and is a greater motivation than floor minutes.
 
In purely basketball terms, Shateah might be the most likely transfer. She's playing behind too many people, but she's good enough that another school would love to have her. Decent size and athleticism, good shooter. She's an Iowa girl, and would likely prosper at Drake or UNI. Even Iowa State, as they just had 6 players leave the program. Another possibility is Jada G; who was last off the bench all season. Someone is going to want her on their squad. If Betts comes in, one might assume that Sharon G would consider leaving. AJ Ediger is another skilled player who's having a hard time getting minutes. It's a tough call for these athletes, they clearly love being at Iowa, get great support from the staff, and the team chemistry is palpable. But in the end, you didn't work this hard on your game for this long to sit. And they must have noticed how Lauren Jensen and Megan Meyer flourished at Creighton and Drake. On the other hand, some players might be very connected to the U for academics, and is a greater motivation than floor minutes.
Chad Leistikow mentioned Ediger and Wetering on his podcast.
 
The same reason they've added strange sports like womens rowing, when NONE of the girls even participated in rowing before college. Title 9 requires them to balance the schollys levels for men and women, and there are 85 rides for football that need to be made up for.....
That is what I don’t like is when they have scholarship sports that aren’t played In high school in Iowa. An Iowa girl should have the chance to obtain a scholarship without walking on and havi to earn it
The same reason they've added strange sports like womens rowing, when NONE of the girls even participated in rowing before college. Title 9 requires them to balance the schollys levels for men and women, and there are 85 rides for football that need to be made up for.....
 
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is, what about a player that clearly isn't going to see much of the floor next year actually stepping back for the betterment of the team? I'm not saying leaving Iowa, but sacrificing their roster spot? I know there's ways of making this happen.


Who would you suggest sacrifice their roster spot?




If we don't add anyone, go 2 and out in March, that could reduce the chances that Caitlin would come back for a 5th year.

And with the core gone after next season, Caitlin might look at who's coming back for 2024-2025 and think it's time for the next challenge (the WNBA).

Many on here think Caitlin coming back for a 5th year is close to a slam dunk. However, she's made it clear that it is not. She was quoted that she would "not necessarily" take a pay cut and that her dream is to play in the WNBA.
 
Maybe Ava goes off scholarship and is then re-recruited, once she is ready to play. I don't know the family situation or whether she would even want to start attending classes this year, but this makes a lot of sense for both Ava and the team.


Iowa has already said they will honor the scholarship and got a lot of good publicity as a result. If Ava is coming to Iowa City this fall, and I have seen nothing yet saying she won't, I think she's taking one of the 15 scholarships.
 
I agree with this sentiment.

The gray shirt scholarship (as another poster also suggested) is a perfect fit for Ava Jones and her situation.

I know everyone is trying to figure a way out of the "we don't have any scholarships to offer" mess.

But Ava and her family having to pay for out of state tuition, housing and food (when all of this would be free if Iowa honors her scholarship) is a "perfect fit?"

Have you asked Ava's mom if she considers this "perfect?"


A grayshirt also does not join the team, practice with the team or receive a scholarship during their first, part-time semester.


Again, the only problem is, Iowa said it would be honoring her scholarship, so if she's on campus, taking classes, Iowa has said she will be on scholarship.
 
And, as I posted in another thread, I looked up the Iowa men's roster. Even though there are 4 walk ons, there are only 11 scholarship players. So there are only 15 players on the roster. Iowa has that many walk ons because there aren't enough scholarship players.

But teams can have more than 15 (those on scholarship + the walk ons).

Fran could have filled all 13 scholarships; he chose not to fill two of them.

So, actually, last season, he could have had 17 players at games (13 on scholarship, 3 walks ons who could have played and 1 walk on who was red shirting).

Furthermore, a simple google search provides the following:

In NCAA Division 1 basketball, coaches can offer a maximum of 13 scholarships per team. These are called headcount scholarships, also known as full-ride scholarships. The average NCAA Division 1 team rosters 16 athletes, so there might be three players on the team who walked on and don't qualify for athletic aid.
 
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You keep posting this but by this logic there is no chance Caitlin Clark could get a fifth season because with this weekends commitment the roster is full for the class of 2024. Does anyone really believe that if Caitlin Clark wants to return for a fifth they wouldn’t find room for her?

I keep posting the fact that All 15 scholarships are CURRENTLY spoken for and that we don't have any available because so many on here, every time a top player enters the portal, ILLOGICALLY dream about adding that player to the roster.

And, speaking of using logic, Caitlin's decision on whether she returns for 2024-2025 is many, many months away. Of course there are discussions now and there will be many more in the future between Catilin and the coaching staff on her Iowa future.

Iowa, obviously and logically, needs to figure out the 2023-2024 roster first.
 
I agree with this sentiment.

The gray shirt scholarship (as another poster also suggested) is a perfect fit for Ava Jones and her situation. It appears, Ava would postpone her enrollment until spring semester (giving her another semester to rehab both physically and mentally at home) and then enter IA as a part-time student. She wouldn't be allowed to practice with the team next spring but she likely physically can't anyway. She still would still be at the U of I rehabbing, hanging around with the team, and very much a part of the team (as much as can be expected) next spring semester when the B1G and NCAA title runs will occur. She wouldn't be on scholarship counting towards the 15.

This type of scholarship offer looks like it's written for this situation and is in Ava's best interest; which should be the overriding consideration.

Grayshirt scholarship offer​

This is one of the more challenging offers from a college coach. A grayshirt is an incoming college freshman who postpones enrollment for a semester. Instead of enrolling right away in the fall, a grayshirt freshman enrolls in classes for the second term (winter) of freshman year. During their first semester of college, a grayshirt does not enroll as a full-time student. Instead, they only take part-time classes. A grayshirt also does not join the team, practice with the team or receive a scholarship during their first, part-time semester.

If this is how the grayshirt works and if Ava and her family would approve doing this then it would work out well. It would open a scholarship for and incoming transfer, whoever that might be. Marshall and Martin would use up their last year of eligibility next season which then frees up the schollie for AVA the next year.

And I hope Ava recovers enough to play college bball as that is her dream and she also has a great academic career.
 
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I believe the coach has to sign off on how collective money is distributed to players (not necessarily an NCAA rule, may just be a Swarm policy). I think I read an article that outlined this earlier this week. But I don’t think Bluder would object to this kind of situation. No top 5 transfer is coming to Iowa without significant cash going their way. Corporate donors know that as well and have likely given accordingly.

Furthermore, IF Bluder is going after a walk on she has known for weeks, which is why she brought back Marshall and Martin. Convos with Swarm leadership/boosters had to have been happening awhile now. We’re not raising $100k+ overnight.
Do you have a link to this article you mention above? What you are saying goes against everything the rules state about coaches paying athletes or being involved with paying athletes. NIL collectives are a very uneven type of pay scheme right now with star players an recruits getting most of the money and most athletes getting nothing.

Athletes can get their own NIL deals outside of collectives and coaches and school athl dept personnel have zero reason to be involved with those deals.

I would like to read that article
 
If true, that kinda makes this thread irrelevant.
The whole Betts to Iowa thing seems to have been started by a single article citing "sources" but not actually mentioning anything about what the "sources" said.

At this point we have little to no concrete information that says Iowa is actively considering adding a transfer. We do know that Iowa just added a 2024 recruit, which would make adding a transfer with multiple years of eligibility even more difficult.
 
I think because of the magical season we just had and obviously a player of her caliber ( and size) and some connections ( granted, not huge) myself I was hoping that this could be the missing piece for next year. Still not giving up, but some of our girls are really going to have to take a big step forward next year if we are to contend for a Final 4 again. Stuelke showed some real potential but man it's going to be tough to replace Monica's skill set in the post offensively. Certainly think she brings some intangibles Monica doesn't have but man Monica could score around the basket.
 
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