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As much as it stings me to say it will be Extremely hard to beat the psu team I just watched. That being said I'm not giving up by any means.

125: from what I have seen so far I think Iowa is better here. I think Gilman wins it and Meg gets 3rd.

133: I believe Iowa is better here also. Clark gets anywhere from 1st to 4th and I feel Conaway will be lucky to AA but for the sake of argument I'll say he gets 7th.

141 is a wash. Jury still out on Brody is it possible he AA's, yes is it possible he does not win the spot, yes. Guilibon just might be the most overanked kid in the country best case senerio is rd of 12.

157: BIG difference here, Nolf just might win it all or worse case he gets 3rd. Looks REALLY Good! Cooper best case is a low AA

165: wash neither team has a threat to AA

174: Nickal is pretty good. Do I think he is beatable, yes but not by Meyer. At this point I believe Nickal gets anywhere from 1st to 8th and right I think Meyer gets bests case a low AA.

184: Iowa is better here. Brooks is a guy that could win it or finish in rd of 12. Don't know that McCutch is anymore than a rd of 12 type guy.
197: Laugh all you want but I think this is a wash either guy finishes 1st to 3rd.
Hwt: BIG advantage for the Hawks here. Stoll is anywhere from 4 to rd of 12 and psu probably gets a goose egg here.

I left 149 out because they are 1&2 and there's a drop off after these 2. There's days I thin BS wins it and times I think Zain does but either way these 2 will be battling it out Saturday night.

Just some food for thought. Man I'm normally the one that overhypes our guys but man did psu just make a statement. We better respond on Sunday!!
 
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Spoons said:
As much as it stings me to say it will be Extremely hard to beat the psu team I just watched. That being said I'm not giving up by any means.

125: from what I have seen so far I think Iowa is better here. I think Gilman wins it and Meg gets 3rd.

133: I believe Iowa is better here also. Clark gets anywhere from 1st to 4th and I feel Conaway will be lucky to AA but for the sake of argument I'll say he gets 7th.

141 is a wash. Jury still out on Brody is it possible he AA's, yes is it possible he does not win the spot, yes. Guilibon just might be the most overanked kid in the country best case senerio is rd of 12.

157: BIG difference here, Nolf just might win it all or worse case he gets 3rd. Looks REALLY Good! Cooper best case is a low AA

165: wash neither team has a threat to AA

174: Nickal is pretty good. Do I think he is beatable, yes but not by Meyer. At this point I believe Nickal gets anywhere from 1st to 8th and right I think Meyer gets bests case a low AA.

184: Iowa is better here. Brooks is a guy that could win it or finish in rd of 12. Don't know that McCutch is anymore than a rd of 12 type guy.
197: Laugh all you want but I think this is a wash either guy finishes 1st to 3rd.
Hwt: BIG advantage for the Hawks here. Stoll is anywhere from 4 to rd of 12 and psu probably gets a goose egg here.

I left 149 out because they are 1&2 and there's a drop off after these 2. There's days I thin BS wins it and times I think Zain does but either way these 2 will be battling it out Saturday night.

Just some food for thought. Man I'm normally the one that overhypes our guys but man did psu just make a statement. We better respond on Sunday!!
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Hello.....Mr. Rip Van Winkle. Supercuts is about a mile down the road.

Been awhile since you've had a shave and haircut.
 
I don't' know about "screwed" because this season has always been an uphill battle for us. Having said that, the hill definitely just got steeper.
 
Spoons said:
As much as it stings me to say it will be Extremely hard to beat the psu team I just watched. That being said I'm not giving up by any means.

125: from what I have seen so far I think Iowa is better here. I think Gilman wins it and Meg gets 3rd.

133: I believe Iowa is better here also. Clark gets anywhere from 1st to 4th and I feel Conaway will be lucky to AA but for the sake of argument I'll say he gets 7th.

141 is a wash. Jury still out on Brody is it possible he AA's, yes is it possible he does not win the spot, yes. Guilibon just might be the most overanked kid in the country best case senerio is rd of 12.

157: BIG difference here, Nolf just might win it all or worse case he gets 3rd. Looks REALLY Good! Cooper best case is a low AA

165: wash neither team has a threat to AA

174: Nickal is pretty good. Do I think he is beatable, yes but not by Meyer. At this point I believe Nickal gets anywhere from 1st to 8th and right I think Meyer gets bests case a low AA.

184: Iowa is better here. Brooks is a guy that could win it or finish in rd of 12. Don't know that McCutch is anymore than a rd of 12 type guy.
197: Laugh all you want but I think this is a wash either guy finishes 1st to 3rd.
Hwt: BIG advantage for the Hawks here. Stoll is anywhere from 4 to rd of 12 and psu probably gets a goose egg here.

I left 149 out because they are 1&2 and there's a drop off after these 2. There's days I thin BS wins it and times I think Zain does but either way these 2 will be battling it out Saturday night.

Just some food for thought. Man I'm normally the one that overhypes our guys but man did psu just make a statement. We better respond on Sunday!!
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You just figured out PSU is loaded? Really? Were you in denial or just not very bright?
 
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Honestly, today didn't change anything for me. Nolf increased a bit but I am more convinced then ever that they won't AA at 133, 141, 165, 184 and 285. Nolf still has to bear Martinez when it counts. megaludis still has Tomasello, Gilman and Dance to contend with. Retherford is probably their surest thing but Sorenson still has something to say about that. Nickal is green, very tough, but there are several guys capable of beating him. Finally, McIntosh has Cox, Hartmann, Burak and even Pfarr and Huntley to deal with.

Iowa, OkState and tOSU don't have 5 guys that strong but they do have enough depth that they can offset PSU with only 5 AA's.

I honestly think OKState showed more potential against Missouri than what happened today for PSU.
 
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Deep breaths. I'm eager to see how this PSU team handles a legitimate tournament like Big Tens and NCAAs. That's where Iowa has the edge in my opinion... Experience. PSU can score bonus points but it wouldn't surprise me if one or two of their studs loses in the quarters either.
Don't get me wrong, PSU is loaded but we're not far behind.

PS: McCutchen injury is worth keeping an eye on.
 
Everything needs to go right AND have 141 or 157 be successful way beyond expectations. Very possible but PSU has a good team and will be tough to beat. 149 and 197 could be HUGE. If Sorenson and/or Burak could win those weights that takes away championship points a lot of people have penciled in for PSU. Big Tens will be telling
 
Have faith brethren, for we have not conceded the title yet

Using the avg. placement points of AA's at 2015 NCAA tournament... 1=24, 2=18, 3=16.5, 4=14, 5=12, 6=10, 7=8.5, 8=6

Here is what I think we are looking at with reasonable expectations for each team:

Iowa
Gilman 1 = 24
Clark 2 = 18
Grothus R12 = 2.5
Sorensen 2 = 18
Cooper R12 = 2.5
Rhoads 1-2 = 1
Meyer 7 = 8.5
Brooks 4 = 14
Burak 3 = 16.5
Stoll 7 = 8.5

Total = 113.5


PSU
Megaludis 3 = 16.5
Conaway 6 = 10
Gulibon R12 = 2.5
Retherford 1 = 24
Nolf 2 = 18
Rasheed R12 = 2.5
Nickal 2 = 18
McCutcheon R12 = 2.5
McIntosh 2 = 18
Hwt? = 0

Total= 112



OSU
Klimara 5 = 12
Wayne-Harding R12 = 2.5
Heil 1 = 24
Collica R12 = 2.5
Smith 4 = 14
Dieringer 1 = 24
Crutchmer 4 = 14
Boyd R12 = 2.5
Marsden 1-2 = 1
Marsden 5 = 12

Total = 108.5


I still think we have a dogfight of a team race, tOSU just not enough firepower to get it done, unless Myles Martin, Hunter Stieber, and Courts all AA. I don't see 149, 157, 197, 184, or 174 AAing at the moment.

Bonus points will be key in the early round, something this years Iowa team has been doing far better than last year.
 
HoundedHawk said:
We only won 26-12.

However, we did with 7 out of 10 matches, whereas they only won 6.
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Yes, they won 30-15, and we beat Illinois 26-12 a few weeks ago. I know I suck at math but, that's still only a 1 point difference, right? Otherwise, good point about 6 matches to 7. I had not noticed that.
 
LaxHawk174 said:
Have faith brethren, for we have not conceded the title yet

Using the avg. placement points of AA's at 2015 NCAA tournament... 1=24, 2=18, 3=16.5, 4=14, 5=12, 6=10, 7=8.5, 8=6

Here is what I think we are looking at with reasonable expectations for each team:

Iowa
Gilman 1 = 24
Clark 2 = 18
Grothus R12 = 2.5
Sorensen 2 = 18
Cooper R12 = 2.5
Rhoads 1-2 = 1
Meyer 7 = 8.5
Brooks 4 = 14
Burak 3 = 16.5
Stoll 7 = 8.5

Total = 113.5


PSU
Megaludis 3 = 16.5
Conaway 6 = 10
Gulibon R12 = 2.5
Retherford 1 = 24
Nolf 2 = 18
Rasheed R12 = 2.5
Nickal 2 = 18
McCutcheon R12 = 2.5
McIntosh 2 = 18
Hwt? = 0

Total= 112



OSU
Klimara 5 = 12
Wayne-Harding R12 = 2.5
Heil 1 = 24
Collica R12 = 2.5
Smith 4 = 14
Dieringer 1 = 24
Crutchmer 4 = 14
Boyd R12 = 2.5
Marsden 1-2 = 1
Marsden 5 = 12

Total = 108.5


I still think we have a dogfight of a team race, tOSU just not enough firepower to get it done, unless Myles Martin, Hunter Stieber, and Courts all AA. I don't see 149, 157, 197, 184, or 174 AAing at the moment.

Bonus points will be key in the early round, something this years Iowa team has been doing far better than last year.
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You have Nolf, Nickel, and McIntosh listed as all #2. That is not accurate.
 
I think the 157 match kind of threw everyone out of sink. Including Martinez. Nolf is better than most thought. I think Martinez learned a lot today and will do much better next time around. Gilman got pinned last year also. Yes PSU is a great team but we have some horses also. Bonus points may be the big difference. It should be interesting.
 
texas twister said:
You have Nolf, Nickel, and McIntosh listed as all #2. That is not accurate.
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If you want to crown them all its fine. Its tough to beat someone of Imars caliber 3 times in a row, the matches at B1Gs and NCAAs will be battles. Also the fact that IMAR and Nolf could possibly be on the same side of the bracket with Miller 1 seed. Nickal isn't unbeatable and I think someone will knock him off. McIntosh is far from a lock over Cox, and an improved Burak may have something to say about the title. Just my opinions.
 
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"we're in trouble" is a bit overstated, but I would say PSU is looking like the favorite. So many things have to fall Iowa's way for them to win in March. Trying to be objective:

125 - sl edge to Iowa, but Megaludis will score and the difference won't be great
133 - bigger edge to Iowa - see Conaway as low AA
141- no pts for either. Hope I'm wrong re Grothus, but right now, it just seems wishful thinking
to pencil him in as AA
149 - PSU has the edge, but Sorensen will place high AA
157 - PSU huge edge, possible champion (I'm guessing Imar wins though). Cooper won't get
too far
165 - PSU edge. I don't see Iowa qualifying
174 - PSU big edge, possible champion. Meyer right now looks at best, low AA
184 - Iowa has edge. McCutch could score some for PSU, but if he's injured, it's their loss
197 - PSU has slight edge. I think Burak has improved, and an upset is not out of the question
Hwt - Iowa has edge. I see Stoll as AA. Unless Nevills returns, PSU may not qualify.

Right now PSU is looking like Retherford, Nolf, Nickal and McIntosh will be ranked #1 next week, and all are bonus pt machines. That's a lot of points in March.

Iowa looks like a possible champ in Gilman, but also chances with Clark, Sorensen and Burak.
 
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Not that I don't think Gilman can beat Nico, but why exactly does he have an edge over a 3 time AA/2 time finalist?
 
Spoons said:
As much as it stings me to say it will be Extremely hard to beat the psu team I just watched. That being said I'm not giving up by any means.

125: from what I have seen so far I think Iowa is better here. I think Gilman wins it and Meg gets 3rd.

133: I believe Iowa is better here also. Clark gets anywhere from 1st to 4th and I feel Conaway will be lucky to AA but for the sake of argument I'll say he gets 7th.

141 is a wash. Jury still out on Brody is it possible he AA's, yes is it possible he does not win the spot, yes. Guilibon just might be the most overanked kid in the country best case senerio is rd of 12.

157: BIG difference here, Nolf just might win it all or worse case he gets 3rd. Looks REALLY Good! Cooper best case is a low AA

165: wash neither team has a threat to AA

174: Nickal is pretty good. Do I think he is beatable, yes but not by Meyer. At this point I believe Nickal gets anywhere from 1st to 8th and right I think Meyer gets bests case a low AA.

184: Iowa is better here. Brooks is a guy that could win it or finish in rd of 12. Don't know that McCutch is anymore than a rd of 12 type guy.
197: Laugh all you want but I think this is a wash either guy finishes 1st to 3rd.
Hwt: BIG advantage for the Hawks here. Stoll is anywhere from 4 to rd of 12 and psu probably gets a goose egg here.

I left 149 out because they are 1&2 and there's a drop off after these 2. There's days I thin BS wins it and times I think Zain does but either way these 2 will be battling it out Saturday night.

Just some food for thought. Man I'm normally the one that overhypes our guys but man did psu just make a statement. We better respond on Sunday!!
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Yawn...............
 
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Not that I don't think Gilman can beat Nico, but why exactly does he have an edge over a 3 time AA/2 time finalist?
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You've watched them both wrestle this year, right? I'll assume that's why. Megaludis appears to have either stayed the same or slightly regressed after the dodge year. Gilman is doing things at another level this year.
 
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Sky is falling. It is over. Lemmings are over the cliff. It is well know a great win in January is how the title is won. Who needs den and March.
Tell Brody to stop cutting. No reason.
Time to get started on next year.
 
Gutt15 said:
You've watched them both wrestle this year, right? I'll assume that's why. Megaludis appears to have either stayed the same or slightly regressed after the dodge year. Gilman is doing things at another level this year.
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I disagree. Mega is a very skilled wrestler with a rediculous motor. Gman will have to be at his best to take Mega out. I actually wouldn't be surprised if he wins it.
 
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I hate to admit it but Spoons has a point. Let's all be realist for one second ... PSU is stacked and have more ways to win a NC than us. It's just the reality right now. However, Spoons never said let's throw in the chips we're done. We need 8 AAs and numerous guys going on Saturday to compete with PSU. I like the Hawks attitude and attacking style this year so hopefully TnT has the Hawks PEAKING in March!
 
March is going to be awesome!

IMO, there are several teams that can win it. Most people know that brackets almost never pan out as planned...throw in the NCAA seeding the thing...nobody can predict points in March. I do think Iowa has 3-4 guys that could find themselves in the Finals, and a few more guys that could make some noise. It's probably safe to say that 5-6 AAs is a good start for Iowa predictions.

OSU (as unbiased as I can) also has a similar outlook. I'm confident we AA at 125, 141, 157, 165, 174 and 285. I am fairly confident we have at least two Finalists. Now, I really hope Collica can put together a tourney at 149 and Boyd at 184...but really, more like rd12 type guys. To me, we are similar.

Penn State, well, they really are the favorite. I see possible 5 Finalists with Mega, Retherford, Nolf, Nickal and possibly conaway. Other than those 5 guys, with an injury at 184, they most likely won't score many?

Honestly, there is so much parity, I can't wait for March.
 
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