WE FIRED ZELESKY FOR LESS....

[Hawk_82]

blaming the assistant is such a scapegoat it makes me sick. if Morningstar is as bad as everyone says he is and yet Brands allows it what does that say about brands. everyone knows that leadership starts and ends at the top.

the fact is the last few years they have not gotten the job done and have looked like s*** in the process. In my opinion get the job done next year or find someone who can. Brands is not and should not be untouchable as head coach at Iowa.

I am happy we had three finalists but I also know there are many other coaches who could produce as good or better results at Iowa

 

[Big Fall]

My god. So much idiocy in one thread.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

Huh!?! 3 finalists is not competitive at the end of the year? I would have liked one of the 3 finalists to win also but you do realize all 3 were considered underdogs going into the match.

Well to be fair, Gilman was an underdog because of the style that Megaludis wrestles. It had little to do with him just flat out being a better wrestler, unless you qualify that as him being better at what he does (counter, takedown, stall) than what Gilman does.........then yeah Gilman was the underdog.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

blaming the assistant is such a scapegoat it makes me sick. if Morningstar is as bad as everyone says he is and yet Brands allows it what does that say about brands. everyone knows that leadership starts and ends at the top.

the fact is the last few years they have not gotten the job done and have looked like s*** in the process. In my opinion get the job done next year or find someone who can. Brands is not and should not be untouchable as head coach at Iowa.

I am happy we had three finalists but I also know there are many other coaches who could produce as good or better results at Iowa

Name them then for f***s sake. And don't just state the obvious (Sanderson).

 

[DarkThunder#61]

The Psu Trolls come by and are irritating..

But........ My Heavens...........these Iowa Trolls are soooooooooo annoying.

Not around all season and show up to whine when we have some disappointments.

They aren't posting here when Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, etc. are moving thru the quarterfinals and semifinals much less the early rounds when our guys are cruising. Not around to post during the guys advancing thru the Tournament. They only show up to whine and act like something should be done so they feel better.

They show up to do their Crybaby act late. "Oh we need a new coach. Boo Hoo" "I want a new Assistant Coach who can bring a new attitude. Boo Hoo" "I'm not happy Boo Hoo" Poor Baby!!!

Not sure some of you crybabies are tough enough for wrestling.

Go away........you're making the rest of the good posters here sick to their stomachs.

And you make the whole board look silly when visitors come to read and think you are regular posters instead of fly by night newbies who might have actually wrestled Junior varsity in High School.

You whiners have no idea how silly you look with your lame, whiny, ignorant posts. Boy you suck! You really suck.

I'll look for this same kind of post the next time our fans rant about Kirk Ferentz and Fran McCaffery...........you tell all those fans that are making our message boardsss (plural, not just wrestling) look bad.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

blaming the assistant is such a scapegoat it makes me sick. if Morningstar is as bad as everyone says he is and yet Brands allows it what does that say about brands. everyone knows that leadership starts and ends at the top.

the fact is the last few years they have not gotten the job done and have looked like s*** in the process. In my opinion get the job done next year or find someone who can. Brands is not and should not be untouchable as head coach at Iowa.

I am happy we had three finalists but I also know there are many other coaches who could produce as good or better results at Iowa

Like who???

 

[mikewdm]

When 3 of your kids are in the finals you would think that most years you would be national champion or very close to it. I am not sure what the Brands brothers have in mind to end Penn State's dominance. I think Iowa was head to head with Penn State in two finals and I didn't see one take down from an Iowa kid. The way Rethorford wrestles I don't see anyone beating that kid next year.

 

[Mojumbohawk]

The era of Cael is here to stay. Gable had it so now the torch is his. We might sneak a championship here and there in the next 15 to 20 years.

 

[Sweet Name]

Something needs to get shaken up. I would be happy with a replacement of Morningstar. IDC if he can recruit, it hasn't really done much for us so far. Get him and his style of wrestling out of the room. Tom Ryan, Metcalf, Burroughs, Dake, Perry, Taylor, McDonough, Ramos, Oliver, Steiber, Herbert, Varner, Popolizio, Guerrero, Esposito, Cunningham, Robie and Billy Baldwin all would be much better options. An offensive minded person is what is needed.

I don't know why some of you guys are getting ridiculed for incessant whining instead of trying to have a solid conversation about things that really could or should change. Here we clearly have some great options that are well thought out. We should fire M* and bring in the head coach of a fully funded, outstanding program that has a championship and third place finish the last two years to be our second assistant. He'll do it too because he is an alum. Then our guys can get more athletic chasing all the pigs flying out of his ass and his magic wand will be awesome to see at home meets.

Here's a tip; if you want to debate the merits of Dake vs M*, what we may have to do as donors to step up to make that happen, what we'd lose in M* who does bring positives and what Dake would do to outweigh that I'd say you may be a fan of Iowa and the sport. If you want to just kick your feet and suggest Tom Ryan for second assistant and Pat Popilizio for strength and conditioning I hope you go to the Penn St board where you can get self validation because the team on your sweatshirt won it all.

 

[Hawknado]

Obviously I wasn't suggesting tom Ryan as an assistant. It may look that way but bravo, you were the only one that looked at that and thought he would be suggested. It was a list of people that could rejuvenate, whether on top or assistant.

 

[KennyPowers_96]

What could we offer Cael that he doesn't already have at PSU? Sorry, but absolutely nothing. Cael is doing to PSU wrestling what Joe Pa did to PSU football. Can't believe I said that.

So there's no pleasing you then? You'll just keep bitvhing and whining? What's your precise solution?

 

[GunnerHawk]

What hurt Iowa was having only six wrestlers place.

No points at Heavy weight really hurt due to late season injury. No qualifier at 141, ouch.

Those two weights probably cost us 10-15 points.

Team needs more balance at all positions. Middle weights are killing us. I think we have help on the way with several new commits.

 

[pablow]

My god. So much idiocy in one thread.

+1. The basketball and football posters have invaded. Wow - what a bunch know-it-all whiners. They're not even smart enough to know they are embarassing themselves.

 

[meatloaf55]

Saturday sucked.. but some of you guys need to take a step back and clear your heads. Hawks have some good recruiting classes coming in the next two years. This year wasn't as bad as last night. I'm still behind brands and company but next year has to be major improvement

 

[FineMaterial]

Where does this mentality come from? Sell him on the program, the vision, and (most importantly) SHOW HIM THE $$$! You think Sanderson would just stay at Penn State out of principal if we threw our weight and a serious freakin' raise at him? LOL.

Before Cael Penn State wrestling was a huge source of frustration for wrestling fans. All the talent in the world and no results. Rob Kohl was a big part of it, hanging around for 30 years and not advancing the program at all, just waiting for stars to show up (Kolat, etc). Then the rich alums got together and did what it took to bring Cael in. I'd bet Cael's PSU salary is less then half of what he really gets. Given the money and the loyalty to the people paying him there is nothing Iowa could to to get him.

 

[hawkssox1]

When did we get a bigger arena?

Ok I will type slower so you understand 45000 divided by 3 sessions= SOLD OUT!!

 

[FineMaterial]

You are naive if you think Cael wouldn't leave if you say, nearly doubled his salary. Do you even follow player movement in professional sports. Plus the standard of living is FR superior in Iowa City. Leaving Pennsyl-tucky for Iowa City AND a raise to come to what is the Mecca of wrestling in the United States. He is good enough to turn us into better than we are.

In case you hadn't noticed Penn State is the new Mecca of wrestling. There is no wrestler or student at Iowa that has been part of a national championship.

 

[pablow]

Before Cael Penn State wrestling was a huge source of frustration for wrestling fans. All the talent in the world and no results. Rob Kohl was a big part of it, hanging around for 30 years and not advancing the program at all, just waiting for stars to show up (Kolat, etc). Then the rich alums got together and did what it took to bring Cael in. I'd bet Cael's PSU salary is less then half of what he really gets. Given the money and the loyalty to the people paying him there is nothing Iowa could to to get him.

??????????????????? Rob Kohl???? Are you referring to Bill Koll? He was the coach at PSU for like 12 years and his teams were good. Koll retired in 1978 so waiting 15 years for Kolat is a strange comment. Your post makes no sense. Cael coming to Iowa is not worthy talking about.

 

[onlyonenow]

5th place this year.

Disappointing performances year after year in the NCAA's.

Brands deserves one more year to show serious progress.

and that means multiple Champions and at LEAST a close 2nd place finish in the Team race.

If he cannot produce that after these years here; and cannot show progress in upping the recruit level, then he should be gone.

THIS IS IOWA. 5th place should be considered an absolute DISGRACE.

What is more is that the lack of aggressiveness and lack of attacks of any kind at all.

IOWA WRESTLING was attack attack attack; keep your opponent off balance; from beginning to end of the match.

Tell me you see that here at all anymore.

 

[pablow]

5th place this year.

Disappointing performances year after year in the NCAA's.

Brands deserves one more year to show serious progress.

and that means multiple Champions and at LEAST a close 2nd place finish in the Team race.

If he cannot produce that after these years here; and cannot show progress in upping the recruit level, then he should be gone.

THIS IS IOWA. 5th place should be considered an absolute DISGRACE.

What is more is that the lack of aggressiveness and lack of attacks of any kind at all.

IOWA WRESTLING was attack attack attack; keep your opponent off balance; from beginning to end of the match.

Tell me you see that here at all anymore.

Thanks Donald Trump.

 

[FineMaterial]

??????????????????? Rob Kohl???? Are you referring to Bill Koll? He was the coach at PSU for like 12 years and his teams were good. Koll retired in 1978 so waiting 15 years for Kolat is a strange comment. Your post makes no sense. Cael coming to Iowa is not worthy talking about.

You are right, I shouldn't post from memory. He was coach 65-78. But the point remains the same, he was a long time coach that was happy being mediocre.And the Kolat mention was an example of a star coming along to keep the team respectable.
An Iowa guy btw:
"went from being an outstanding high school wrestler in Iowa, to a 3-time undefeated national collegiate champion (UNI), and finally to a 5th place finish in the 1948 Olympic Games in London."

 

[MavHawk1]

Hawks were 5 points away from 3rd place, if you don't think having Sam Stoll healthy at HWT would make that difference and quite possibly make a tight squeeze for 2nd then your nuts. We all know it's a race for 2nd on paper. I wonder if Oklahoma State posters are reacting like some of our posters? They have more national titles than we do and havnt been as successful, I wonder if they are calling for Smith's head as well?

Let's be realistic, mediocrity? See Minnesota, ISU, UNI etc. Cornell was once a top 5 team a year or two, and now VT has 1 top 5 season and the world is turning over...if Stoll was healthy, he would of helped be a top 3 team and maybe a top 2. But I'm sure posters would be mad about losing to PSU. Not sure it's worth throwing a coach under the bus for.

 

[Onceafish]

how well did he do at isu again?

He took over a team that had finished 6th, 10th and 13th at NCAAs in the three years before he arrived.

They finished 2nd, 3rd and 5th in his three years as coach.

In the past three years, Iowa has finished 2nd, 4th and 5th.

So is the answer to your question, "slightly better than Tom Brands has done at Iowa over the past three years"?

 

[Hawk_82]

Like who???

I am not going to name a specific coach because many will rip apart any coach I say. but I do know there is a lot of talented coaches out there. NC state, VA tech, Oklahoma are some programs on the rise. many multiple championship wrestlers who will be in the Olympics and will be looking for jobs soon.

Iowa is not going to bring in cael from psu or Ryan, but we could get our choice of most other guys.

Brands is a good coach and I will never deny that. he could turn msu into a top 8 team in 3 years, but will he be able to win a title against both osus, psu. I don't have faith he can.

 

[onlyonenow]

Thanks Donald Trump.

yeah you establishment morons whine and cry but do nothing. Guess what? You can swallow Trump and the changes that way or we get a French Revolution and those like you are the first to get the real short haircut.

Brands deserves one more year. If he cannot show serious progress in closing the gap to PSU then its time he went,

 

[bcdeputy]

I guess having 3 finalist which at least 1 of them deserved to win is not good enough for you. Just rember that when Zalesky was fired there was no psu, fosu was a joke. VA Tech was just getting started with some guy named Tom at the helm. Do I need to go one fans like you can just go away.

Yeah... root for Hawkeye wrestling the exact same way I do or your not a "real fan" and you shouldn't be allowed to post!!!

To think that the program has improved under Brands is just fooling yourself. Because it hasn't.

The last great coach we had was Gable, NOT AN IOWA ALUM.
Perhaps we should not hire a former Iowa wrestler to coach the Hawkeyes.

 

[jammenz]

Nothing that another double class wouldn't solve.

 

[pablow]

You are right, I shouldn't post from memory. He was coach 65-78. But the point remains the same, he was a long time coach that was happy being mediocre.And the Kolat mention was an example of a star coming along to keep the team respectable.
An Iowa guy btw:
"went from being an outstanding high school wrestler in Iowa, to a 3-time undefeated national collegiate champion (UNI), and finally to a 5th place finish in the 1948 Olympic Games in London."

Point taken. However, Penn State did have a few great teams before Cael. The '93 team had Shawn Nelson, Sanshiro Abe, Cary Kolat, Russ Hughes, Troy Sunderland, Dave Hart, and Kerry McCoy. That's some serious talent.

 

[MVPFAN]

I am not going to name a specific coach because many will rip apart any coach I say. but I do know there is a lot of talented coaches out there. NC state, VA tech, Oklahoma are some programs on the rise. many multiple championship wrestlers who will be in the Olympics and will be looking for jobs soon.

Iowa is not going to bring in cael from psu or Ryan, but we could get our choice of most other guys.

Brands is a good coach and I will never deny that. he could turn msu into a top 8 team in 3 years, but will he be able to win a title against both osus, psu. I don't have faith he can.

You lose credibility saying Oklahoma, their guy has not done shit there.

 

[Hawk_82]

You lose credibility saying Oklahoma, their guy has not done shit there.

No but he has gotten the recruits which is what everyone says is the key to winning

 

[wrestling-guru]

i support Brands and Company. They have brought three national titles home to Iowa City in their tenure. During his time at Iowa the parity in college has grown. Pairity in all college sports has grown. I admit Cael is finding a way year in and year out to get to the top and we have work to do to catch PSU. All that being said to have 10 years of top 5 finishes that is very respectable. Brands will get this team back to the top. We have great recruits coming in next season. I believe they are willing to make the necessary changes to get it done. We have one of the top coaches in all of college wrestling.

 

[MVPFAN]

No but he has gotten the recruits which is what everyone says is the key to winning

Not trying to be argumentative but who exactly have they been signing that was to great? I am happy as hell he got those Dixon triplets vs them coming here, that saved us a screw up.

 

[wrestling-guru]

Also I don't believe that Zalesky has done anything remarkable at Oregon state? He has done a nice job but certainly hasn't out performed expectations. Tom Brands was a significant upgrade for the Iowa program.

 

[trumpy]

One of the problems with Iowa wrestling over the last couple of years is that there isn't a guy on the team that everyone knows is going to be a champ or for that matter is guaranteed to be in the finals. The other problem is that Iowa has had been extremely weak at a few weight classes where they are not competitive.

 

[LemonPie]

Brands coaching the basketball team today? Two point scores hard to come by.

 

[Pennstate1985]

i support Brands and Company. They have brought three national titles home to Iowa City in their tenure. During his time at Iowa the parity in college has grown. Pairity in all college sports has grown. I admit Cael is finding a way year in and year out to get to the top and we have work to do to catch PSU. All that being said to have 10 years of top 5 finishes that is very respectable. Brands will get this team back to the top. We have great recruits coming in next season. I believe they are willing to make the necessary changes to get it done. We have one of the top coaches in all of college wrestling.

I would respectfully suggest that parity is an illusion. The haves have changed somewhat, but you really only have about 3 teams vying for a title each year and only another 3 vying for the remainder of the top 5. In the past, it was IA, ISU, OSU, MN and an occasional other filling out the top 5. Now it is IA, PSU, OSU, tOSU, and an occasional other filling out the top 5. In five years, a couple in the top 5 may be switched out in favor of a rising school, such as ASU and VT.

 

[hawknut]

Hawks were 5 points away from 3rd place, if you don't think having Sam Stoll healthy at HWT would make that difference and quite possibly make a tight squeeze for 2nd then your nuts. We all know it's a race for 2nd on paper. I wonder if Oklahoma State posters are reacting like some of our posters? They have more national titles than we do and havnt been as successful, I wonder if they are calling for Smith's head as well?

Let's be realistic, mediocrity? See Minnesota, ISU, UNI etc. Cornell was once a top 5 team a year or two, and now VT has 1 top 5 season and the world is turning over...if Stoll was healthy, he would of helped be a top 3 team and maybe a top 2. But I'm sure posters would be mad about losing to PSU. Not sure it's worth throwing a coach under the bus for.

How many points were you planning on Stoll scoring? He was outside chance at AA IMO

 

[MavHawk1]

How many points were you planning on Stoll scoring? He was outside chance at AA IMO

Basing Michael Kroells placed 7th with 8 points scored, I would say Stoll is better than Kroells and is a pinner, so 8+ points would be possible.

 

[pumpdog20]

What went right: 3 finalist and 3 other all americans. The other 4 weights were never a threat to AA.

We are returning all 3 finalists, and barring injury, we are going to be gaining a lot more points from 3 of the 4 missed weights (Kem, AM, and Stoll). We are going to lose quite a bit of points from 197 but some of that blow will be softened from 141 (Carton). Save the pitchforks for next year if we miss.

Here is where we CAN NOT miss is at the trials. It is a must that Ramos wins that spot and not Nico! If Nico wins, I will all but guarantee that we lose out on Lee. Right now Iowa can lay claim to being the best lightweight room in the country. PSU will be able to take that away if Nico is the representative for the Olympics. Call it crazy if you want.

 

[Sandor45]

A Gilman win last night would have gone a long ways in culling threads like these