We need a change at the top
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It would be nice, but I won't hold my breath.
Won't hear from the staff until after our dominating Iowa duals performance.
Morningstar always had a lot of heart, but not a lot of offense. Seemed like every match he had was a one pointer....that feels like the way these guys wrestle. I agree. Iowa needs new blood like yesterday. I would definitely lobby hard for a great offensive wrestler like Mark Perry, Jake Herbert, David Taylor.... As for the next HC...maybe make Jordan Burroughs a bigtime offer?
If you are a prospective recruit, what's going to be more impactful, Ryan Morningstar showing up in your living room or David Taylor/Kyle Dake? I think the world of Ryan Morningstar. He's a fantastic person and an accomplished wrestler. But outside the state of Iowa, he's just another All-American...
Suggesting Mark Perry who finishes lower than Iowa routinely and suggesting bringing back Gable as if no one has ever wished and prayed for that reality hardly qualifies as a serious discussion. So far we have a lot of bitching while offering nothing. Congrats on starting a bad ass senior women's book club.
As with all sports, it still comes down to recruiting. Look what Tom did with the VTech kids at Iowa. Look what Cael has done at PSU vs at ISU. I'm sure Cael has improved his coaching ability over the years, but most importantly he has improved who's in his room.
The point is Sweetness, Perry trains tough wrestlers. At this point we can still attract talent, we need Perry or Gable to toughen them up.
I wonder just how good/bad of a recruiter Brands actually is? He got Metcalf, McD, and some other of the better guys earlier in his tenure. Did Brands recruit them or did an assistant do the recruiting? Who does the recruiting for Iowa now? I would love to see some fresh blood in the assistant coaches office. I remember M* not being that impressive for Iowa as an athlete..
Really, that is all you have? I never mentioned Perry, and I am not pining for Gable. So tell me, what is the answer? Is everything fine, and we just need to relax? Are you happy with things right now? Are we recruiting at a level to compete with PSU? Do you like finishing 50 points back? I think the program has some issues right now. Some of that is recruiting, some seems to be development. Am I wrong? Not advocating a change, just an honest discussion of where we are.
What do you mean he spends his own money? Why? Only 1 of those guys is actually here. Has Marinelli even signed a letter of intent yet? I'm not questioning Morningstar because I know him and I like him. He is not the problem. I am just questioning that your assertion of him spending tons of his own money on recruiting trips and also questioning your implication that we have a whole bunch of top recruits coming in.
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Metcalf has the brands mentality so it was a fit, I think kids these days probably think he is a bit crazy. I think the PSU wrestlers enjoy Cael because he is a normal guy and looks approachable. I would be worried about getting bit talking to the Brands bros
Actually, no...This is what I posted before the season. The PSU predictions were best case for the field. My problem with you isn't that you are right or wrong, it's that you only show up when something negative happens to be Captain Obvious to the rescue, Mayor of Realville.
PSU is just flat out better and its because of recruiting and having Cael right in the middle of a gold mine. BTW, I also thought that Nolf was talented enough to beat IMAR when everybody was saying IMar was unbeatable. The only thing I really missed on was Retherford's domination. As you see below, I actually low-balled Iowa...they exceeded expectations.
So who from Texas A@M are you talking about?
Same thread for the last 5 years after Nationals.Doesnt look like the bitching has done much good and wont again.
While talking with a friend, he threw out Jordan Burroughs. And the more I think about it, the more I love it. That's assuming a change has to be made. Brands should be allowed to right the ship and if he cant, a change needs to be made. Plain and simple.I hope he can figure it out
Talking about teams that was hurt by injury? I think OSU lost more points because of injury then Iowa. OSU would still be in second behind PSU but will be a lot closer. Injuries are a part of the sport, I'm not going to cry about spilled milk (injuries), The better team won, more power to them.
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Fair enough, but I haven't showed up lately because Vail got 21 inches of fresh powder. but if you check early posts, I had PSU running away with it and ZR dominating everything. By the way, Rush is the mayor of Realville, I'm just a happy resident.
You claim to have had Iowa season tickets for 17 years IIRC.......
But you still come across as a PSU Troll.
So I guess that speaks to your posting style and points that you try to make. Sad for you to be an Iowa fan and come across like that.
OBTW....my wife went to High School with Rush. His name back then when he grew up was Rusty. That's how Real he is. Fake name.
Wow. Some of you have some interesting opinions. I've paraphrased some of them below with my thoughts in parentheses.
Fire Morningstar. He wasn't an NCAA/World/Olympic Champ, so he must be a terrible coach and recruiter. (I guess PSU should fire Cody Sanderson. Think how much better they would be if they replaced him with a champion wrestler. He was just an All-American. And what was Gable thinking when he hired JRob and Mark Johnson.)
Hire Drew Pariano as head coach. (Nothing against Coach Pariano. He seemed to do a solid job at Northwestern, and I have no idea what led to his departure, but could he out-recruit and out-coach Sanderson, Smith, and Ryan. We'll likely never know, but I wouldn't bet on it.)
We need to hire a great offensive wrestler like Mark Perry. (I loved watching Mark Perry win two titles for the Hawks, but I guess I have a different definition of a great offensive wrestler. And outside of IMar, who wrestles nothing like Perry, I wouldn't consider the Illini offensive dynamos.)
Fire Morningstar and hire Metcalf/McDonough/Ramos. They would be way better practice partners for our guys. (I know this may be a surprise to some of you, but those guys are training for the Olympics. In the Dan Gable Wrestling Complex. With the Iowa Hawkeye wrestlers. On a regular basis.)
Hire Burroughs, Dake, or Taylor. (They are training for the Olympics. Burroughs tried coaching at his Alma mater last year. He is not on staff this year. I'm guessing he is focused on winning more gold medals rather than coaching at this point.)
Things weren't this bad under Zalesky. (As a fan, I'm not real thrilled with our recent results, but it was worse under Zalesky. I don't say this to bash Z. He was a great Hawk wrestler, and it's always tough to follow "the man." But, it was worse then. I was there for the dual meets and the NCAAs.)
That cheapskate Barta needs to hire more coaches. (Barta doesn't limit the number of coaches, the NCAA does.)
I could go on and on. Like I said, I'm not happy with our recent results. I get the frustration. Despite a terrible day today, I believe improvements were made from last year to this year. I do think the program is heading in the right direction, even if it's not as fast as we all would like. Obviously, some things do need to be improved upon. But I'm just a passionate fan, and as much as I may think I know, I am certain that TnT know a lot more about running the Iowa wrestling program than I do. I'm disappointed in the results of this past weekend and the past several years, but I can honestly say that there is no one I would rather have running our program than Tom and Terry Brands. And as long as they are in charge, I'm going to support them because I know they are busting their butts to get Iowa Wrestling back where it belongs- On Top of the Wrestling World!
Fire Morningstar. He wasn't an NCAA/World/Olympic Champ, so he must be a terrible coach and recruiter. (I guess PSU should fire Cody Sanderson. Think how much better they would be if they replaced him with a champion wrestler. He was just an All-American. And what was Gable thinking when he hired JRob and Mark Johnson.)
Hire Drew Pariano as head coach. (Nothing against Coach Pariano. He seemed to do a solid job at Northwestern, and I have no idea what led to his departure, but could he out-recruit and out-coach Sanderson, Smith, and Ryan. We'll likely never know, but I wouldn't bet on it.)
We need to hire a great offensive wrestler like Mark Perry. (I loved watching Mark Perry win two titles for the Hawks, but I guess I have a different definition of a great offensive wrestler. And outside of IMar, who wrestles nothing like Perry, I wouldn't consider the Illini offensive dynamos.)
Fire Morningstar and hire Metcalf/McDonough/Ramos. They would be way better practice partners for our guys. (I know this may be a surprise to some of you, but those guys are training for the Olympics. In the Dan Gable Wrestling Complex. With the Iowa Hawkeye wrestlers. On a regular basis.)
Hire Burroughs, Dake, or Taylor. (They are training for the Olympics. Burroughs tried coaching at his Alma mater last year. He is not on staff this year. I'm guessing he is focused on winning more gold medals rather than coaching at this point.)
Things weren't this bad under Zalesky. (As a fan, I'm not real thrilled with our recent results, but it was worse under Zalesky. I don't say this to bash Z. He was a great Hawk wrestler, and it's always tough to follow "the man." But, it was worse then. I was there for the dual meets and the NCAAs.)
That cheapskate Barta needs to hire more coaches. (Barta doesn't limit the number of coaches, the NCAA does.)
I could go on and on. Like I said, I'm not happy with our recent results. I get the frustration. Despite a terrible day today, I believe improvements were made from last year to this year. I do think the program is heading in the right direction, even if it's not as fast as we all would like. Obviously, some things do need to be improved upon. But I'm just a passionate fan, and as much as I may think I know, I am certain that TnT know a lot more about running the Iowa wrestling program than I do. I'm disappointed in the results of this past weekend and the past several years, but I can honestly say that there is no one I would rather have running our program than Tom and Terry Brands. And as long as they are in charge, I'm going to support them because I know they are busting their butts to get Iowa Wrestling back where it belongs- On Top of the Wrestling World!
1) I would call Tom Brands into my office and thank him for what he's done and then tell him he has to go. I would tell terry HWC is his but he's no longer on coaching staff.
2) I would call Drew Pariano and offer him the job. I would then ask him to assemble the best coaching staff he could and let him recruit.
3) Recruit athletes to the HWC and have them be practice partners for my wrestlers.
4) Improve the facilities because they are lacking compared to the new tOSU room, Cornell, Penn State, etc
2) I would call Drew Pariano and offer him the job. I would then ask him to assemble the best coaching staff he could and let him recruit.
3) Recruit athletes to the HWC and have them be practice partners for my wrestlers.
4) Improve the facilities because they are lacking compared to the new tOSU room, Cornell, Penn State, etc
I really believe Terry is the best technical coach in the country, he's better then anyone even Tom. Recruiting is killing this program the state of Iowa is not a hot bed of wrestling it once was, not to say there aren't great wrestlers in Iowa that's just not true. its time for Tom and Terry to hit the road and recruit kids, Morningstar was a good Iowa wrestler, but letting him recruit is out his relam. I understand you can't be everywhere at once, but for the sake of your job, the sport and your program get out there and get the wrestlers you want and need!!! And before I get off my high horse it's time to fire everyone below terry fresh minds and blood are needed in the gable complex, make Iowa wrestling great again....
No excuse for Gilman to look that poor?? He pinned last year's champion and got beat by a three time finalist. Give me a break. I concur with comments regarding Brooks' and Meyer's inconsistency, and our lack of talent at 141, 157 and 165, but I just can't see bitching about Gilman. That's similar to bitching about Nickal's poor performance because he lost...or McIntosh's or Nolf's. I'm all in for bitching about the program...but throwing an NCAA finalist under the bus after he pinned last year's champion and lost to the current NCAA champion and 3-time finalist? Get a fricking grip!
Thank you!
It's nice to have discussions, but some of these people are acting like Gilman lost in session 1, and that for the first time in 50 years Iowa had zero AAs. Some of these fricking people have lost their minds...Thank you!
Guys, guys, guys. That is not what the problem is, yeah sure some of them had some good tournaments but it was the product of wrestling that is put out there by Iowa that has people pissed off. None of them took any good shots, maybe one and that turned into 2 for the other guy. If you think that we will be able to win the whole thing again, there has to be more takedowns.
Almost every other match a watched last night showed people shooting and trying to get takedowns, but Iowa as a team was very lacking.
Would you be wooed if a man like Brands came into your living room and probably couldn't put together a fully intact sentence, all the while probably not taking off their shoes and smearing mud in the white carpet as he walks to that living room. The in your face, us against everyone sh%t has run its course. It's time for a personable coach who wrestlers that don't have some desire to torture themselves will want to wrestle for. Look at Cael, look at Tom Ryan, and a couple others like John Smith even, they have guys that are doing better than they should be. I honestly think it probably comes down to something like just taking a shot once in a while, you would be amazed at how you can win matches with TAKEDOWNS.
Team looked like a bunch of Andrew Howes with no defense. Yuck. If I were a coach on any level and my guys weren't taking shots well then sorry, you just lost your spot to the backup. If the backup is taking guys down and attempting actual shots then it would remain in his possession. Man, when I wrestled I would have contests with the guys on either side of my weight to see who could get the most takedowns. There is nothing better than taking down a guy repeatedly and just making them look like they are nothing ala Zain against Sorenson.
Talk all the shit you want about my post, I don't care, I'm not gonna give the satisfaction of a rebuttal. I'm walking away and keeping my money in my pocket, I suggest you all do the same if you want some change. The only thing that seems to matter to Pollard, errr Barta is the money. Someone should tell him you could probably get a coach for half the price of TnT that would have a better product than the current one.
let's put the blame really where it need to be...how many teams does the state of iowa have in the bball tournament?...how many does Pennsylvania?...we are slowly becoming more of a bball state and the result is showing in the lack of recruits we're getting from our great state...so there it is, let blame alford for turning us into a bball state, it's just as likely as TnT becoming the worst coaches in the NCAA....
This board is always a cess pool for about two weeks after NCAAs. Whenever wrestling is on mainstream TV it brings out a lot of no it alls. Ride the storm and come back in a couple weeks for some intelligent wrestling talk.
Look no changes will be made in Iowa Wrestling until Gable says so, the idea of anything happening at this time is ludicrous.
That would be like putting 2 raccoons in a bag. Besides, you couldn't afford a mirror big enough for Dake.
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