Nearly everyone under Pariano improved! Heck,even walk on Nadar was an AA,along with Velez who beat the Iowa kid. Heck,he even got the frosh 74lber ,Munster, to beat the Iowa kid in the Midlands finals. Welch really narrowed the gap against St John,but I was wrong,he never beat him. Precin turned into a number one ranked kid. Trirtsis was a National Champ and had off season surgery this year! I've also been close friends with Timmy Cysewski for 35 years since he coached me as a frosh when I lettered at NU! Drew developed these guys. Timmy C never showed leg riding. All stand up and take down stuff. Drew is excellent on the mat and worked with each wrestler's unique style. Drew is gifted when it comes to seeing wrestling technique. I've never seen better. What Drew is amazing at is working with parents. He got the best out of each kid. I just hope he takes over a top program and can show his real genius. Even Cael would have trouble at NU! No support from administration or students.
We need a change at the top
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Just an FYI, Timmy C,me and Drew are all close friends! Timmy C is an amazing person and one of the most loyal and positive people I know. Timmy was outstanding on his feet and had a go to standup. His complimented Drew very well as they both worked as a team,and Drew was solid on his feet. Timmy C was six and six with the mighty Randy Lewis,one of my all time favorite wrestlers. Iowa needs to focus on making the total wrestling and school experience more fun. Kids get worn out by all the anger/internalization of emotions.Ryan Lang was my intern and a free spirit. He lit up Trirtsis once before beating him at the Midlands finals. I was the commentator for the Midlands and did play by play for the Iowa vs NU wrestling match years ago.
How many top five finishes did he have with all that top talent?
This thread is crazy. First, we have a coach that has after his first season when he truly inherited a program in decline has won 3 National Titles, placed 2nd last season, has twice finished 3rd, twice 4th and a 5th this year. And you think David taylor is a better coach? Based on what? His 2 NCAA titles? A perceived ability to recruit better talent? Give it a rest. Is is way too early for the villagers to start gathering torches and pitchforks. Hire JB... As an assistant, great idea, great for recruiting, and perhaps in a few years he could take over the program... I believe starting with top tier talent usually translates to better overall results. Why don't we get as many as tOSU and PSU? Well, they have a lot more in their own backyard, and they are the sexy programs, at the moment so they get the Mark Hall's. I am a big believer in assistants driving a lot of the recruiting. Gable was Gable so he had that factor, as Cael does now. So how do you compete with the new sexy program that has a recruiting hot bed in its own backyard? David Taylor is in the room at PSU, Burroughs at Nebraska... Those are the guys in your room that get you better recruits in those weight ranges. It is no surprise TnT can get top level light weights. Those recruits see the results of McD, Ramos, and our current 125 and 133. TnT were in that range themselves, However, no top recruit is jumping for joy to work with Morning* or Berhow... You want deeper talent in the middle weights and heavier weights? Get coaches in those ranges that actually accomplished something beyond being on a top team or placing twice at the NCAAs. The top kids have dreams of international success (except Meija, who doesn't really do freestyle) so get coaches that can actually speak to and coach to that. TnT can, but it isn't happening in the upper weights. After this Olympic cycle, guys will be considering their futures. Start planting seeds now.
Don't get sucked in by his Mind Meld tarp
Isn't that Terry?---
what?!? are you saying Tom doesn't look approachable?
I wouldn't say they were necessarily on a decline they may not have had a trophy in 07 but they still had some very good, capable wrestlers already there or coming in under zalesky. Brands has acknowledged that that double recruiting class was a big help
Drew Pariano obviously had some issues with NW to get fired. He may be a very good coach but he is far from a program savior. His wrestling career was not that much different than Morningstars. Morningstar is still a developing coach and a very good recruiter and could very well end up exceeding Parianos coaching career. Also, Morningstar is going to coach the styles the Brands Brother tell him to coach. Timmy C is an Iowa alum and former AA at 134 for the Hawkeyes. If he was 6-6 with Randy Lewis it had to have been outside of college because Lewis came to Iowa a year or two after Cysewski. IMO, regardless of what happened to Pariano (I have no issues with Pariano even after his short unsuccessful stint at my Alma Mater Cornell College) at Northwestern I don't think he would come anywhere close to being considered for the Iowa job if it was open.
Pariano is an amazing coach! The AD , imho, does not support wrestling at all! NU has a roster limit of 23! R u kidding me! Cael,John Smoth,and Tom Ryan,wouldn't do any better with the guys on the team! I've been closely involved with NU wrestling for 30 years! Nearly all the top guys loved Drew and Timmy! Great chemistry! Great staff and the team prospered. I know every ALL American over the last fifteen years at NU very well! I was the play by play announcer for NU wrestling for several years and helped get the program sponsors. You always have a few bad apples at every school.
By the way, I provide sports psychology for college and pro athletes and my work was featured on ESPN Radio as well as other sports talk shows.
I heard that the NU AD says "No walk-ons." That's very sad. No wonder the coach made a stink and was asked to leave.
I know a certain team that wears Black and Gold that probably could use your services. Do you do pro bono work?
The problem with the Iowa mentality ,imho as a hawk eye fan, (I don't know any players or coaches) is it is exhausting for kids to walk around angry all the time. There exists only four true emotions. Joy, grief,fear,and relief. I have a video below where I discuss sports psychology. Anger is just a reaction/response to grief. It's not a true emotion, so guys are needlessly projecting a facade that is too burdensome to carry around all the time. Heck,Gable had close to 20 surgeries,what parent wants their modern day kid to emulate that? On the other hand, Cael preaches the authentic emotion of joy as a goal for his wrestlers. You guys are bright, you can figure this out by reading my golf psychology/sports psychology book below and watching my video. Think of how ineffective a golfer would be walking around angry all the time. His central nervous system is aroused,but not in a good way. His altered CNS will affect all future shots. The golfer is not being true and learning from each shot. I have developed the most effective, scientifically proven sports psychology approach available worldwide. Anyone can test the model below. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask questions.
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Here are several journals that have published Emotional Core Therapy
http://valleyinternational.net/ijmsci/v3-i2/10 ijmsci.pdf
http://omicsonline.com/open-access/emotional-core-therapy-book-review-1522-4821-16-132.php?aid=32238
Here is an interview I did on the Dr. Foojan Zeine Show explaining Emotional Core Therapy (ECT). ECT is scientifically proven to be the simplest,most effective, and most inclusive psychology approach available worldwide to treat relationship stress ( addictions, eating disorders, depression, anxiety,etc) and gain inner peace and happiness. Scientific proof can only be done with the naked eye. Anyone can test my model for proof which is available in my book below. My training video on my blog also outlines ECT but is not as detailed as the downloadable book below.
My blog below has an article on Emotional Core Therapy and Scientific Evidence. This blog also has my free one hour training video, free download of my spiritual and golf and media links.
http://robertmoylanlcpc.blogspot.com
Press release
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-to-treat-psychological-stress-300153273.html
Here is free download of spiritual and golf book.
http://emotionalcoretherapy.com/read-online/
Only ECT effectively treats the root cause of stress of the Holmes and Rahe Scale (top stresses in one's life)! No other psychology approach treats the root cause of any stress one faces on a day to day basis. See below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Lastly, this email complies with the mission statement of ABCT. We have an ethical duty as mental health professionals to bring the most effective psychology techniques and treatment models to our clients. We need to improve ECT and make it more user friendly. Please review the rules of scientific evidence and ECT in my book and on my blog. My spiritual book is for religious and secular/agnostic people alike. All one has to do is substitute mindfulness for prayer as the eighth step and disregard the religious references to have a completely secular approach. Over 50% of the American population prayers in some fashion and research demonstrates that prayer, mindfulness,and yoga, all work to calm down and quiet the central nervous system. I have three books available on Amazon without religious references. One for adults, one for teens,and one for golfers.
By the way, I love wrestling and used to be a high school coach. I can't stand what the athletic department has done to wrestling at NU! Decimation for sure! We will be the Michigan State of BT wrestling for years. How on earth can anyone compete at NU with a roster limit of 23?
Well I did ask him if he did pro bono work, and looks like the answer is yes. You guys are welcome and you don' t even have to thank me. I have your backs.
Was that after or before your session Little Buddy.
He does bring up some interesting points. It has been several years since I coached, but we always worked on the mental aspect not just the wrestling technique and conditioning. Before big matches and tournaments we had mediation drills that we used with our wrestlers and it really made difference. You may take this the wrong way, but I have always thought Gilman is a little to wired up before big matches and by that I mean late in the NCAA tournament, losing to guys that he shouldn't. I always thought that was Terry's problem also during his Olympic runs.
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Ok...this is a serious answer. My coach used to do to this as well before matches...lots of visualization. He used to say that wrestling is 75-80% mental. As an example, he used the Russians and their dominance...Guys from the U.S. were in better shape, stronger, and solid technique. Some of the Russians look wimpy but then would step on the mat and go to work on us. Very good coach from Missouri.
We used visualization as well. Put on the whale music go through the visualization drills, also used massage technique. When I first started working with the other coach, I thought he was full of horse shit with it. A sports psychologist helped him design the drills. I tried it after a grueling practice and I swear it felt like I go another 3 hours. It almost puts you in semi- hypnotic state. After that I was a firm believer in it and similar drills.
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Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan,
Your quotes are real head scratchers. You posted;
"Iowa needs to focus on making the total wrestling and school experience more fun. Kids get worn out by all the anger/internalization of emotions."
"The problem with the Iowa mentality ,imho as a hawk eye fan, (I don't know any players or coaches) is it is exhausting for kids to walk around angry all the time. There exists only four true emotions. Joy, grief,fear,and relief. I have a video below where I discuss sports psychology. Anger is just a reaction/response to grief. It's not a true emotion, so guys are needlessly projecting a facade that is too burdensome to carry around all the time."
Heck, Gable had close to 20 surgeries,what parent wants their modern day kid to emulate that?
First, you are way off base with your pretentious assumptions. When the lowest the program has placed in the NCAAs in the past 9 years is 5th (with lower rated recruits than other top schools w/the exception of the VT transfers) I find it laughable that suddenly you have concluded kids are worn out, angry and have no fun. Who is angry all the time? How do you draw that conclusion? Mental focus and intensity on the mat does not mean you are angry. Even if it is anger (which it isn't) one can't conclude that anger is carried 24/7.
Besides, guys that wrestle angry will typically lose... And they will lose a lot. You are dead wrong on this one.
Concerning Gable and his surgeries, how is that even relevant to this thread? Somehow, Iowa is hurt by that more than other schools? What?
If Gable's many surgeries were going to negatively impact Iowa or wrestling participation in general, I think it would have happened a long time ago, and it didn't.
Your quotes are real head scratchers. You posted;
"Iowa needs to focus on making the total wrestling and school experience more fun. Kids get worn out by all the anger/internalization of emotions."
"The problem with the Iowa mentality ,imho as a hawk eye fan, (I don't know any players or coaches) is it is exhausting for kids to walk around angry all the time. There exists only four true emotions. Joy, grief,fear,and relief. I have a video below where I discuss sports psychology. Anger is just a reaction/response to grief. It's not a true emotion, so guys are needlessly projecting a facade that is too burdensome to carry around all the time."
Heck, Gable had close to 20 surgeries,what parent wants their modern day kid to emulate that?
First, you are way off base with your pretentious assumptions. When the lowest the program has placed in the NCAAs in the past 9 years is 5th (with lower rated recruits than other top schools w/the exception of the VT transfers) I find it laughable that suddenly you have concluded kids are worn out, angry and have no fun. Who is angry all the time? How do you draw that conclusion? Mental focus and intensity on the mat does not mean you are angry. Even if it is anger (which it isn't) one can't conclude that anger is carried 24/7.
Besides, guys that wrestle angry will typically lose... And they will lose a lot. You are dead wrong on this one.
Concerning Gable and his surgeries, how is that even relevant to this thread? Somehow, Iowa is hurt by that more than other schools? What?
If Gable's many surgeries were going to negatively impact Iowa or wrestling participation in general, I think it would have happened a long time ago, and it didn't.
Good points! I ran into Mike McMullan( 5 AAs between them) and Pierce Charger at last summer's NU golf outing. Both mentioned they emphasized to the younger guys to stay relaxed and have fun. Elite golfers have to reset to a relaxed state of being( close to what's called mindfulness) after each shot, so they don't let their emotions affect their next shot. All four true emotions ( joy,grief,fear,and relief) alter the CNS. When you have a relaxed,meditative, state of being,you can learn from each shot. By the way,I coached Steve Marienetti when he began wrestling at Glenbrook North HS. Kid was in with the freshman. I taught him an inside trip and lateral drop in a week. I took him into the varsity room. He stuck the varsity kid with the move I taught him and he became our starter. Nine years later,he upset Iowa's Lincoln McIivory( spelled his name wrong)in the NCAA title match. I think he hit him with an inside trip in the title match.I've worked on the mental game with elite wrestlers whose names are confidentially protected.
I don't think Iowa peaks like they used to. I'm just a fan. Casual observations. Just my opinion which I am entitled to have as a fan. I'd rather watch Iowa than NU,that's for sure! Lol.
I wouldn't go to a NU match if u paid me 200 bucks. Too painfully depressing so I have to watch elite BT wrestling elsewhere. Loved the NCAAs this year,especially Martinez,Retherford,Nolf,PSU 74lber,Garrett from Cornell,Tereo ,etc. Make wrestling more wide open. Get rid of mat wrestling after 15-20 seconds .
Here is my experience with visualization drills and meditation drills. When I was a senior in HS I played a ranked team in our state. Our Assistant Coach and Psych teacher decided that we needed to do visualization and meditation drills before one of our games. We were undefeated and riding high at the time. They turned the lights low and played something that sounded like farm animals having sex. We sat there for about 20 minutes in the dark. We walked onto the football field that night and we got our rear ends smoked by a non ranked team in our conference. That was the end of my experience with those drills. We never talked about visualization or meditation drills again.
Not to beat a dead horse but we agreed that we need to fix our recruiting. Penn State can keep the #1's in the wt classes but give Tom and Terry #2's or #3's and they will develop wrestlers and we will win. We can't do it when we have top 50's or 100's instead of top 10's. Send Tom out on the road to attract top level competition and let the Iowa coaches go to work.
This will allow the Penn State posters on this board to return back to Happy Valley and sit around holding hands and experiencing the "authentic emotion of joy." All while sitting in dark rooms doing visualization drills while they massage each other.
That is the problem with you Iowa guys, you have to leave the livestock and farm animals out of the visualization, it gets you to riled up if you know what I mean!
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Ha said the Penn State fan while in a conversation including dark rooms, young wrestlers and massage therapy....I really expected a cow tipping joke but it escalated higher. Well played....
I'm glad our wrestler do not have the mentality of our fans.
So many of you say fire TnT. So what if that happened. Would they just go home or go coach somewhere else. I bet there is a good possiblity they could coach somewhere else and beat whoever you hire. Good call.
Hire David Taylor, give me a break. I like the fact that our coaches wrestled here and that many of the other top coaches did as well. There is also more coaching than being a great wrestler.
So many of you say fire TnT. So what if that happened. Would they just go home or go coach somewhere else. I bet there is a good possiblity they could coach somewhere else and beat whoever you hire. Good call.
Hire David Taylor, give me a break. I like the fact that our coaches wrestled here and that many of the other top coaches did as well. There is also more coaching than being a great wrestler.
I am not saying hire or fire anyone! Just make it more fun for the wrestlers. Both Dake and Taylor stay relaxed and poised before big matches and have fun out there! That's the mental edge! Keep it real! I'm happy to speak to the team. I consult often. I'm licensed to train psychologists and many other professionals at the state and national level. See my website at www.illinoisduicounseling.com for detailed links and course info. Wrestling is a great sport,and few teams do it better than Iowa!
By the way, a host of elite wrestlers and athletes have endorsed my books on Amazon including Jake Herbert and Ryan Lang.
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