When MAGA LOSES THIS ELECTION

[Nole Lou]

They wouldn't ask because my political beliefs are not my daily identity and worn on my sleeve.

🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[GOHOX69]

And f.uck you too. 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

Eat my farts.

 

[GOHOX69]

Why doesn't everyone just admit, the hate is never going away and this will all end in bloodshed one way or the other. Neither side is going to budge, so it doesn't matter who throws the first punch. The left hates everything the right stands for and the right hates everything the left stands for. There is no more common ground, there is no bridge to rebuild, it's over.

I agree.

 

[Hans81]

I genuinely hope we can come together as a country. It should be obvious to see MAGA has been pushing us vs them, toxic culture.

There will always be differences in beliefs and that’s ok. The Right needs to remove MAGA to move forward. If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you.

Regardless of the results of the upcoming election, I too would like to see the country come together. As a traditional Republican, I am concerned about about our country’s future if Harris wins the election (from economic, security, and foreign policy perspectives….which I won’t delve into in this post). All presidents/administrations face tough challenges, but these next 4 years will be extremely difficult for whom ever wins the upcoming election. I look forward to 2028 when both Democrats and Republicans have more “normal” candidates. 😉

 

[torbee]

When you go this far, it basically turns into a scenario where only the strong survive.

Well the "Left" in the United States is willing to admit defeat and accept election losses like normal participants in representative democracy.

The MAGA "Right" (and I put it in quotes as MAGA is not conservative in reality) does not.

No "both-sidesing" this issue.

 

[hexumhawk]

We are in the late stage of a divorce where people will say whatever they want towards the other because they just don't care anymore. Next stage is separation that will either be peaceful, or very unpeaceful.

 

[torbee]

I have no clue what you’re trying to say, but then again, neither do you.

 

[hexumhawk]

Well the "Left" in the United States is willing to admit defeat and accept election losses like normal participants in representative democracy.

The MAGA "Right" (and I put it in quotes as MAGA is not conservative in reality) does not.

No "both-sidesing" this issue.

This really isn't true though. Countless examples of the "left" denying election results from fat Abrams to Hillary.

 

[WSC72]

When you go this far, it basically turns into a scenario where only the strong survive.

So, something like this?



Let's add this in too

 

[GOHOX69]

Regardless of the results of the upcoming election, I too would like to see the country come together. As a traditional Republican, I am concerned about about our country’s future if Harris wins the election (from economic, security, and foreign policy perspectives….which I won’t delve into in this post). All presidents/administrations face tough challenges, but these next 4 years will be extremely difficult for whom ever wins the upcoming election. I look forward to 2028 when both Democrats and Republicans have more “normal” candidates. 😉

That will never happen on your side. The old gop is dead. Don't pretend otherwise.

 

[torbee]

This really isn't true though. Countless examples of the "left" denying election results from fat Abrams to Hillary.

Bitching and moaning is one thing.

Not one time has the Democratic party en masse attempted to stop the peaceful transition of power.

The Republicans did it four years ago.

The closest example was 2002 when Gore challenged it LEGALLY in front of the Supreme Court and when the court ruled he conceded gracefully. A far, far cry from unleashing a mob on the Capital, setting up gallows for the Vice President and beating the shit out of and bear spraying cops.

But then, you actually know this because unlike some of your right-leaning brethren on here you have demonstrated a capacity for reason. So just stop pretending.

 

[GOHOX69]

Bitching and moaning is one thing.

Not one time has the Democratic party en masse attempted to stop the peaceful transition of power.

The Republicans did it four years ago.

And will do it again. Guaranteed.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

A new poll indicates Donald Trump is leading in six of seven key swing states against Vice President Kamala Harris. The AtlasIntel poll, conducted from October 25-29, shows Trump ahead by 3.5% in Arizona, 3.4% in Georgia, 2.7% in Pennsylvania, 1.2% in Michigan, 0.9% in Nevada, and 0.5% in Wisconsin. In North Carolina, Harris leads by 0.5%

 

[hexumhawk]

Bitching and moaning is one thing.

Not one time has the Democratic party en masse attempted to stop the peaceful transition of power.

The Republicans did it four years ago.

I don't recall being involved or getting any notice about stopping anything. You are generalizing some 1000 people and letting them represent a group of millions.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Why doesn't everyone just admit, the hate is never going away and this will all end in bloodshed one way or the other. Neither side is going to budge, so it doesn't matter who throws the first punch. The left hates everything the right stands for and the right hates everything the left stands for. There is no more common ground, there is no bridge to rebuild, it's over.

Sometimes you just have to fight it out and see who wins. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[GOHOX69]

Sometimes you just have to fight it out and see who wins. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Hopefully you're on some law enforcement lists.

 

[torbee]

I don't recall being involved or getting any notice about stopping anything. You are generalizing some 1000 people and letting them represent a group of millions.

The official stance from the standard bearer of the GOP in 2024 is that those "1,000 people" are political prisoners, not criminals.

Do you agree with that assessement?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Hopefully you're on some law enforcement lists.

I am, but not the kind of lists you’re hoping for.

 

[WSC72]

Sometimes you just have to fight it out and see who wins. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Gus is dead]

"If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you." Yeah sure @Morrison71, you're a real unifier. LOL.

If, and I emphasize if, Trump loses, Trump will have a total meltdown, hissy fit and rile up the cult of personality like we’ve never seen before.

It will be ugly.

Because last time he won Hillary said the election was stolen by Russian interference, Comey's statement, etc and then the entire law enforcement and intelligence community, both in government and without, came after him with a vengeance. Well before he was even inaugurated and certainly before Jan 6th and any Presidential decision he made the left might have disagreed with.

The left has hated Trump far longer than any action he may have made.

The lefts reaction to Harris losing will be to spend the next 4 years demonizing every little thing he does and hating the fact he is President. Things may even burn in large cities. Calling it now.

I would also predict there will be another assassination attempt.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

"If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you." Yeah sure @Morrison71, you're a real unifier. LOL.



Because last time he won Hillary said the election was stolen by Russian interference, Comey's statement, etc and then the entire law enforcement and intelligence community, both in government and without, came after him with a vengeance. Well before he was even inaugurated and certainly before Jan 6th and any Presidential decision he made the left might have disagreed with.

The left has hated Trump far longer than any action he may have made.

The lefts reaction to Harris losing will be to spend the next 4 years demonizing every little thing he does and hating the fact he is President. Things may even burn in large cities. Calling it now.

I would also predict there will be another assassination attempt.

You nailed it, the left is the most dangerous organization in our nations history.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

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Gets a “👍🏻” for the music, if nothing else.

 

[hexumhawk]

The official stance from the standard bearer of the GOP in 2024 is that those "1,000 people" are political prisoners, not criminals.

Do you agree with that assessement?

I agree they should have been charged. I don't agree to being held for years with no trial.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

"If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you." Yeah sure @Morrison71, you're a real unifier. LOL.



Because last time he won Hillary said the election was stolen by Russian interference, Comey's statement, etc and then the entire law enforcement and intelligence community, both in government and without, came after him with a vengeance. Well before he was even inaugurated and certainly before Jan 6th and any Presidential decision he made the left might have disagreed with.

The left has hated Trump far longer than any action he may have made.

The lefts reaction to Harris losing will be to spend the next 4 years demonizing every little thing he does and hating the fact he is President. Things may even burn in large cities. Calling it now.

I would also predict there will be another assassination attempt.

Jesus Christ.

 

[Hawkeyenuts66]

That will never happen on your side. The old gop is dead. Don't pretend otherwise.

Don't pretend like there is some sort of high ground for the left either.

 

[Joes Place]

and then the entire law enforcement and intelligence community, both in government and without, came after him with a vengeance.

WTF are you blabbering about?

A GOP led Senate Intel investigation corroborated Russian interference in the election.
They even showed some MAGA idiot wishing a Happy Birthday to a Russian oligarch at one of the rallies as an example.

 

[Joes Place]

I don't agree to being held for years with no trial.

Who is "being held for years with no trial"?

Nearly 1000 of them have already been convicted. That, by the very definition, is "a trial".

 

[Gus is dead]

I 100% agree with this.

But for that to work people also have to accept differences. The MAGA base seems to struggle with “different” people. Many of them denigrate people with mental health problems, people who come from non white christian cultures, people who don’t align with their birth gender, and on and on and on. And, even if they don’t spread that divisiveness, they support a leader who does.

I hope in a post-Trump world they will realize we are all just people, united by a common set of rights, but with different ideas on the best path forward. Alas, I think that Pollyanna vision is unlikely anytime in the near future.

I, for one, dont ever denigrate people with mental health problems, except for the ones here on HROT who are obviously crazy. Im plenty fine with "people who come from non white Christian cultures", and as far as birth gender, Im also fine with whatever you wanna dress like or do to your body AS AN ADULT. I don't agree with treating anyone with gender dysphoria until they are an adult. I dont care what anyone says. I cannot get on board with that.

Id also say that many on the left, seem to have a big issue with people's rights. There is no excuse for all this misinformation, hate speech talk. So, no, many on your side do not agree with a common set of rights. If we can get to that point yes I agree with you.

 

[Tom Paris]

I genuinely hope we can come together as a country. It should be obvious to see MAGA has been pushing us vs them, toxic culture.

There will always be differences in beliefs and that’s ok. The Right needs to remove MAGA to move forward. If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you.

Until something is done with Fox News and their nightly lies, I'm afraid this isn't possible. We will hear 4 more years of lies about how Kamala is responsible for everything bad in their viewers' lives. They are the TRUE enemy within and I wish there was a way they could be dealt with legally...somewhere in the Constitution.

 

[Tom Paris]

1968 says hi.

Wasn't that more of young people vs. everybody else because of Vietnam? I was born that year and can't remember what else was happening from my history lessons...was it really worse then than what's happened since Trump? I'm not being a smart ass, just legitimately asking.

 

[Tom Paris]

I think the "self reflection" needs to be broader than just MAGA.

 

[Tom Paris]

The country will never come together if people who think like you refuse to reflect on why there are divisions. Just like the Tea Party during Obama, the left needs to understand you can't just shove the country to left as far and fast as possible and not expect people to recoil. If honest thoughtful discussions are had, and most agree change needs to be made, then compromise will prevail.

As you might expect, I have a contrary view to the majority of this board. When the left proposes things like eliminating the filibuster, packing the Supreme Court, taxing unrealized gains, they are creating divisions with many who would normally not get upset about political changes. However, when major country wide changes are proposed and half the country doesn't want those changes, you are going to have issues.

You. Are. Backwards.

 

[LunchBox50]

Have you asked them how they feel about your political beliefs?

 

[Tom Paris]

Crazy thing is, the MAGA scum thinks the Far Left is too far over the edge to ever come back to normalcy.

Because they are being lied to on the daily. That's the problem. They aren't in reality.

 

[Tom Paris]

LOL this post is such bullshit. Everyone on the left will act 100% the same if it was DeSantis, or Abbot or Kemp from Georgia, or Youngkin.

It will always be all fascism all the time. Racism all the time.

Centrist and center-right have been purged from newsrooms and most elite institutions (outside of specifically rightest outlets). What is left in these positions know nothing other than extreme progressivism and power.

Of course, rightest institutions are the same.

The only way for what the OP calls for was to happen were for nominally objective organizations to commit to a diversity of viewpoint in newsrooms and classrooms and boards. If that doesn't happen, it will never be otherwise. And they know it I believe...there are rumblings of some of these institutions trying to recapture more balance, but its gone so far it will be incredibly painful, and I think they will give up. Few institutions have an iron hand like Jeff Bezos to dictate change.

And to be clear, I don't mean institutions have to perfectly politically balanced. All my life the media leans left, academia leans left. It was counteracted by corporate America generally leaning right. That's all fine, because within those institutions, you still had a significant diversity. There were conservatives on campuses, there were right leaning journalists in newsrooms. Until you have some representation and respect for other viewpoints in institutions, this will not get better.

Because that's what we're really talking about...people aren't really fighting each other in the street. This is polarization of fully siloed partisan institutions.

You think you have been paying attention, but you're not.

 

[Gus is dead]

Jesus Christ.

Id love to hear your thoughts. I dont think that your reply really adds anything substantive at all. Well except for the fact you hate Trump and would bend over backwards to avoid the fact the left has any culpability at all in where we are at.

What did I say that isnt true? Because that will tell me all I need to know of your supposed former conservative self.

I am on record as saying I wish Trump werent the nominee. After watching all three hours of Rogan v. Vance I wish it were Vance. And I agree that Trump has MANY flaws. But two things can be true at one time. I'm sure you'd agree.

The vitriol directed toward Trump and the demonization of his 'cult' has people mad as hell. Many feel that their way of life is being destroyed and undermined at every turn and they have had enough.

We would NOT be where we are today were it not for the excesses of the Left. Trump did not start this. He is merely the result and embodiment of it.

Sorry, but a large percentage of our population simply does not see the world as you do. Asking yourself, and your party, why this is would be a key first step in ridding us of Trump. Instead you have focused on looking outward for where we are.

Had the D's run a candidate like Gabbard or Manchin or any moderate Trump would have no shot at all. Yet you have run a dumb AF candidate, with zero actual curiosity and depth, who would not be there if not for DEI, without winning a single primary vote, and now stand at least a small chance of losing. Sorry, not sorry. Your party could be in the catbird seat right now if you would focus on what used to win elections for D's. Bill Clintonesque.

 

[Tom Paris]

And that is the same way they look at you. So how do we fix it? I do not believe there is 'no coming back'.

Again, because they have been lied to for 20+ years by right wing "entertainment" news. THAT's the problem!

 

[SB_SB]

Not a chance in the world. If he loses it will make 1/6 look like a middle school pep rally.

Until he dies the GOP is MAGA. They are the cult of Trump.

The problem is, when he dies it could get worse. His followers will look to find someone who follows in the trump teachings and will lead them to continue the trump fight. You see what happens with religion, there are factions of religions that can become pretty crazy. There will be factions of MAGA's that will become even more extreme.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

And if Trump wins for the third time in a row?

 

[Tom Paris]

I 100% agree with this.

But for that to work people also have to accept differences. The MAGA base seems to struggle with “different” people. Many of them denigrate people with mental health problems, people who come from non white christian cultures, people who don’t align with their birth gender, and on and on and on. And, even if they don’t spread that divisiveness, they support a leader who does.

I hope in a post-Trump world they will realize we are all just people, united by a common set of rights, but with different ideas on the best path forward. Alas, I think that Pollyanna vision is unlikely anytime in the near future.

I would agree too but unfortunately that means we on the left have to accept falsehoods. That's not going to happen. I'm not going to accept willful ignorance. I'm not going to do it as an educator and I'm not going to accept bullshit from people on here who refuse to accept facts or take 5 minutes to do some research to see if something is true or not after they hear it. Could I be nicer? For sure, but it's damn hard when the same thing has to be explained to people dozens of times by multiple posters - things that are 100% fact - and because it doesn't fit a narrative, people won't accept the truth.