When MAGA LOSES THIS ELECTION

[conn53victor]

I am a very left old man in a red state. I have lived in my car and eaten what others left behind. I’ve worked construction and taught middle school. Now I am doing quite well.

My optimistic idea of a path for putting current divisiveness behind us. Harris wins fairly decisively in the popular and electoral votes. Things are ugly for a year as Trump’s legal woes are settled, but they get settled and he loses much of his audience. People are already tired of him and without a campaign, people will stop caring. Domestically, the Inflation Reduction Act will continue to help the economy along with other policies to bolster the lives the majority of Americans. The southern border has been better recently and both sides working together will bring back the Bipartisan Immigration Bill. I don’t have a good idea about Ukraine. I hope it is settled.

What about the nation’s 50-50 split that can never be healed? It’s not there. We’re feel it here, but once the election is decided and things calm down, it will return to a 15-15 split with the other 70% happy to get on with their lives and talk to their neighbors about anything except politics. Not us. We’ll all be on her griping and poking at each other.

Vote early; vote often!

 

[Tom Paris]

Agree. I just think the "lefts" and the media reaction to him hasn't been healthy.

I don't think that immediately changes when he goes away. Just transfers to the next bogeyman on the right.

It depends who it is. If it's ANYBODY who bent the knee to MAGA, why should any of us trust them? If it's an ACTUAL Republican, though we may not agree on policy, the vast vast majority of us aren't going to be terrified of them. All I want is for elections to be free and fair like they have been. Not questioned when there is no evidence of fraud. When Trump won in 2016 it didn't cross my mind it was stolen. He won. Hillary lost. Accept it and hope for the best. TRUMP brought ALL this nonsense on, helped by a helluva lot of members of Congress. Eff them. If people who want to follow Liz Cheney or any of the other brave Republicans who stood their ground, I won't ever be afraid of them protecting the people of the United States first and foremost.

I don't agree with them on a lot...but I don't fear them.

 

[Tom Paris]

Those on the right aren't wrong that we do have to allow for them to have their views... but here is the thing. Aside from some name calling (which they also participate in) the left does let them have their views. No one is trying to pass laws banning people from attending church, no one is forcing them to have an abortion or have a gay marriage or prevent them from reading the Bible or any other book they want to read.

I do see laws being passed the other way though. The right is scared their way of life may not be the predominant way to live life anymore and that freaks them out so they are trying to pass laws to force people to. That's not ok. That's not what America is about. You can hate those people go ahead I feel you should have the right to even though I don't understand it. What you don't have the right to do is pass laws preventing people from experiencing life how they want to and forcing your views on them. Until that stops we will continue to have division. If the right stops those efforts and just goes on hating and letting people live how they see fit then we will be able to coexist and live peacefully.

Nailed it.

 

[WSC72]

Because they are being lied to on the daily. That's the problem. They aren't in reality.

Opinions vary on that Mr. Paris. Hope your day is a good one.

 

[Gimmered]

Wasn't that more of young people vs. everybody else because of Vietnam? I was born that year and can't remember what else was happening from my history lessons...was it really worse then than what's happened since Trump? I'm not being a smart ass, just legitimately asking.

Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy assassinations. Race riots, anti war protest. The late 60s early 70s was a difficult time in the US. Thankfully we didn't have a Trump leading the division at the time.

 

[Tom Paris]

Opinions vary on that Mr. Paris. Hope you day is a good one.

We aren't talking about opinions. We are talking about flat out, easily fact checked, lies that are being passed along to millions of viewers as facts...even though in a court of law, the people passing out said lies admit to lying.

Not opinions. Good day to you too.

 

[SB_SB]

Id love to hear your thoughts. I dont think that your reply really adds anything substantive at all. Well except for the fact you hate Trump and would bend over backwards to avoid the fact the left has any culpability at all in where we are at.

What did I say that isnt true? Because that will tell me all I need to know of your supposed former conservative self.

I am on record as saying I wish Trump werent the nominee. After watching all three hours of Rogan v. Vance I wish it were Vance. And I agree that Trump has MANY flaws. But two things can be true at one time. I'm sure you'd agree.

The vitriol directed toward Trump and the demonization of his 'cult' has people mad as hell. Many feel that their way of life is being destroyed and undermined at every turn and they have had enough.

We would NOT be where we are today were it not for the excesses of the Left. Trump did not start this. He is merely the result and embodiment of it.

Sorry, but a large percentage of our population simply does not see the world as you do. Asking yourself, and your party, why this is would be a key first step in ridding us of Trump. Instead you have focused on looking outward for where we are.

Had the D's run a candidate like Gabbard or Manchin or any moderate Trump would have no shot at all. Yet you have run a dumb AF candidate, with zero actual curiosity and depth, who would not be there if not for DEI, without winning a single primary vote, and now stand at least a small chance of losing. Sorry, not sorry. Your party could be in the catbird seat right now if you would focus on what used to win elections for D's. Bill Clintonesque.

It's interesting that you blame the democrats for the republican situation. The republicans nominated trump, that would not have changed based on who the dems selected. The republicans created the mess and as usual people like you are looking at the other side to blame. The fact you view Vance as a viable option just tells me that people like you will always fall for the extreme candidate with crazy ideas. There are normal republicans that could run but the crazies are controlling the selection process. I don't see how the republicans will ever get back to normal. They're next leader will be the crazy Kennedy.

Harris is more qualified than trump ever was or ever will be. I love the DEI comment, let me guess you're a guy who can't handle a female with power.

This all started because MAGA is made up of a bunch of idiot karens looking for someone to blame and be angry at. They found their leader in a guy who was willing to lie, cheat, and steal. It was a perfect match. That was not created by the democrats. Look in the mirror the next time you need to blame someone.

 

[Tom Paris]

Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy assassinations. Race riots, anti war protest. The late 60s early 70s was a difficult time in the US. Thankfully we didn't have a Trump leading the division at the time.

Yeah but at least everyone agreed we actually LANDED on the moon back then!

 

[WSC72]

We aren't talking about opinions. We are talking about flat out, easily fact checked, lies that are being passed along to millions of viewers as facts...even though in a court of law, the people passing out said lies admit to lying.

Not opinions. Good day to you too.

Thanks, always appreciate your input. And all my days are good. Life is to short for them not to be.

 

[LunchBox50]

And if Trump wins for the third time in a row?

OiT was basically a celebrity on here for several years becuase of his conspiracy theories and absurd claims. He owned the market and everyone got a kick out of it. Since MAGA came on the scene? He's a nobody and none of his chatter is acknowledged because he seems normal.

 

[TNHAWK79]

I genuinely hope we can come together as a country. It should be obvious to see MAGA has been pushing us vs them, toxic culture.

There will always be differences in beliefs and that’s ok. The Right needs to remove MAGA to move forward. If you can’t see that now, I’m not sure there is any hope for you.

If Trump were to win, do you genuinely hope that the country can come together or only if Kamala wins? If your goal is unity ONLY if one candidate wins, that doesn’t make sense.
It’s like saying if the Hawkeyes win the national championship , I hope ISU fans will join us and leave their crappy program.

While I agree with the sentiment and what you’re saying, I believe everyone wants unity and to come together as one. I still have faith in humanity. However, I don’t see that happening under Trump because the anti-trumps won’t let that happen, nor will the media.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

dont think that your reply really adds anything substantive at all.

Because there was nothing substantive to respond to.

The quoted part is where I stopped reading.

I don’t engage absurd equivalencies or false dichotomies, which is all your first response had to offer, because I no longer validate inane drivel/stupid shit from the MAGA idiot brigade.

We’re done.

 

[IMCC965]

Nah! You're the problem.

Nuh uh!! You are!

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

guys schlonging other guys’ turd channels

Honestly, why does what two people do in private impact you in any way? No one is saying you have to watch them, they aren’t hurting you. They aren’t stealing your paycheck. They are democrats and Republicans. They are athletes and firefighters. Every 10th person you interact with is gay and you don’t even know it.

Why does it matter so much to you?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Nope.

No one called Mitt Romney an American fascist. Out of touch? Elitist? Yes.

Trump has been deemed uniquely vile and dangerous because he IS uniquely vile and dangerous.

I think the playbook for the Dems has permanently changed but we'll see.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Thanks for validating my post. Always appreciated.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

It depends who it is. If it's ANYBODY who bent the knee to MAGA, why should any of us trust them? If it's an ACTUAL Republican, though we may not agree on policy, the vast vast majority of us aren't going to be terrified of them. All I want is for elections to be free and fair like they have been. Not questioned when there is no evidence of fraud. When Trump won in 2016 it didn't cross my mind it was stolen. He won. Hillary lost. Accept it and hope for the best. TRUMP brought ALL this nonsense on, helped by a helluva lot of members of Congress. Eff them. If people who want to follow Liz Cheney or any of the other brave Republicans who stood their ground, I won't ever be afraid of them protecting the people of the United States first and foremost.

I don't agree with them on a lot...but I don't fear them.

Thanks for further validation.

 

[torbee]

I think the playbook for the Dems has permanently changed but we'll see.

That is an interesting question.

Personally, I think Trump is a uniquely vile, horrendous, criminal, racist piece of shit and has justifiably been called out for that.

If (and it's a big if) the GOP can get back to running normal human beings as candidates, I believe we will see the rhetoric drastically decrease in intensity.

 

[torbee]

The problem is, when he dies it could get worse. His followers will look to find someone who follows in the trump teachings and will lead them to continue the trump fight. You see what happens with religion, there are factions of religions that can become pretty crazy. There will be factions of MAGA's that will become even more extreme.

Without the Cult of Personality, however, it is a manageable minority.

Trump has convinced people like JD Vance and Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham to reverse position on calling Trump a danger and a threat for political survival simply because of his cult of personality.

When Trump is gone, that faction will be back to being like the John Birch Society of old - a smal but not insignificant number of cranks, fascists and racists.

 

[torbee]

OiT was basically a celebrity on here for several years becuase of his conspiracy theories and absurd claims. He owned the market and everyone got a kick out of it. Since MAGA came on the scene? He's a nobody and none of his chatter is acknowledged because he seems normal.

It's crazy how he was a canary in a coal mine.

We thought it was cute and funny that someone could be that deranged.

Now one of them is a coin flip away from the presidency. Nucking Futz.

 

[Stoopsbrother]

MAGAs are very dumb individuals and should be forced to face down nine rifle barrels pointed right at their faces.

silly ******

 

[torbee]

silly ******

It really is a tremendously awful thing to say about anyone, isn't it?

 

[DFSNOLE]

After the assassination attempt, I had a MAGA tell me the country was three inches away from complete chaos. I replied, no. We were three inches away from normalcy in the political arena.

 

[srams21]

This really isn't true though. Countless examples of the "left" denying election results from fat Abrams to Hillary.

The way Hillary "denied" the election results were completely different to how Trump refused to concede.

Hillary did concede and she attended, as is tradition, the inaguration of Donald Trump. Trump did not do these things. He was the first President in modern times to not oversee a peaceful transfer of power.

 

[LunchBox50]

 

[ottumwan in tx]

OiT was basically a celebrity on here for several years becuase of his conspiracy theories and absurd claims. He owned the market and everyone got a kick out of it. Since MAGA came on the scene? He's a nobody and none of his chatter is acknowledged because he seems normal.

so trump killed the OiT character? interesting

I guess that means obama gave birth to the character

 

[ottumwan in tx]

After the assassination attempt, I had a MAGA tell me the country was three inches away from complete chaos. I replied, no. We were three inches away from normalcy in the political arena.

the attempt in PA basically insured his election

 

[srams21]

We would NOT be where we are today were it not for the excesses of the Left. Trump did not start this. He is merely the result and embodiment of it.

Ok, I'm interested. Can you expand on this? What excesses?

And please don't say anything financially because I have receipts that say both sides SUCK at that part.

 

[LunchBox50]

the attempt in PA basically insured his election

English. Learn it.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

English. Learn it.

ensured his election. ok, I am a licensed insurance agent I should know this.

 

[nelly02]

These are all MAGA talking points, bro.

Yep none of that is true. The left definitely doesn't want children to medically transition without their parents consent. The left wants to pass common sense gun laws. They aren't going to come around rounding up your guns. I have plenty of friends who can go shoot one of their many guns anytime they want. No one is going to prevent you from owning a gas lawnmower. I can go use mine right now if I felt the need. And the government never ever forced you to get vaccinated. If your job did that's their right the government had nothing to do with that. And guess what? If you don't like it you still don't have to get vaccinated you are free to quit the job and find one that doesn't require it.

The government is passing laws though to ban what books you can read. And the type of medical care a woman can get. And bills making it extremely difficult for trans individuals to receive the Healthcare they need. Those are all right wing things. And they are actually happening in the real world not just being talked about on fox News to scare rubes like you. So yeah one side needs to knock off passing bills that restrict people's rights to live how they see fit. Once the happens we can start living together again peacefully.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

it basically guaranteed his provident destiny of excellence

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Famed plagiarist Doris Kearns Goodwin said it here.

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FIFY

 

[torbee]

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What a great message: He's too stupid and ADHD rattled to actually overthrow the government, so we should PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF IT.

Feckless coward dipshits.

 

[Nole Lou]

You think you have been paying attention, but you're not.

Brother, you are hyper partisan. I'm not. Anyone on here that follows politics and is even slightly objective knows I lean center-right pretty strongly but am not particularly partisan. I'm not MAGA.

Everyone know you are hyper-partisan. You haven't had an actual conversation in this site in the years I've been here. Criticism coming from a hyper-partisan doesn't bother me at all.

@artradley might lean left or Democrat and we probably agree on few things, but that's someone who is not hyper-partisan, whose thoughts are interesting to read, even if I disagree, or frankly even if they insult me.

God bless you, I hope you find peace with the election.

 

[nelly02]

Opinions vary on that Mr. Paris. Hope your day is a good one.

We are talking verifiable facts here though. They refuse. They just scream fake news! Why should I respect the opinion of someone who won't accept basic facts or respect legitimate sources of information and run to their safe spaces of fox News etc to confirm what they want the world to be? You can't have an opinion on basic facts. Well you can you can have incorrect opinions. But for some reason MAGA would rather be wrong and have incorrect opinions about basic facts rather than change their views and accept basic facts. How do you engage with that? I'm genuinely asking

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

just a partly line

So I’m guessing this was a typo. Was it?

Cause if not it is a helluva great WOB.

 

[nelly02]

If Trump were to win, do you genuinely hope that the country can come together or only if Kamala wins? If your goal is unity ONLY if one candidate wins, that doesn’t make sense.
It’s like saying if the Hawkeyes win the national championship , I hope ISU fans will join us and leave their crappy program.

While I agree with the sentiment and what you’re saying, I believe everyone wants unity and to come together as one. I still have faith in humanity. However, I don’t see that happening under Trump because the anti-trumps won’t let that happen, nor will the media.

Read my other posts in this thread. How are we supposed to unite behind him? He wants to take away the rights of people on my side. Can you give me suggestions on how I can start hating immigrants and trans people so I can unite with you?

If Kamala wins no one is stopping you from living life how you see fit. All we are asking is you leave the others you don't like alone. You can't unite behind that? Do you not see the difference?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Read my other posts in this thread. How are we supposed to unite behind him? He wants to take away the rights of people on my side. Can you give me suggestions on how I can start hating immigrants and trans people so I can unite with you?

If Kamala wins no one is stopping you from living life how you see fit. All we are asking is you leave the others you don't like alone. You can't unite behind that? Do you not see the difference?

if she wins we no longer have money-economy. gasoline. freedom.

 

[SB_SB]

Without the Cult of Personality, however, it is a manageable minority.

Trump has convinced people like JD Vance and Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham to reverse position on calling Trump a danger and a threat for political survival simply because of his cult of personality.

When Trump is gone, that faction will be back to being like the John Birch Society of old - a smal but not insignificant number of cranks, fascists and racists.

I sure hope that happens but I think the sleeping giant has been woken up and will not go back asleep easily.