How so? Has there been a rash of death threats against mayors in US cities? Can you link a few?Not in today's world.
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How so? Has there been a rash of death threats against mayors in US cities? Can you link a few?Not in today's world.
Living in a gated community is wrong for a mayor not for any good reason, but just because you say so.There might be a small difference between the security necessary for the President of the United States and that of the mayor of a city.
It not wrong per se, but it seems tone deaf. If you want to represent the people I believe it would help if you were able to understand their concerns and frustrations because you live among them instead of locked away from them.Living in a gated community is wrong for a mayor not for any good reason, but just because you say so.
How so? Has there been a rash of death threats against mayors in US cities? Can you link a few?
The mayor does not live in a gated community. The gun toting couple lives at 1 Portland Place, on a private gated street. The mayor lives at 502 Lake Avenue, in a different neighborhood about half a mile away. The protesters were marching through Portland Place to get to the mayor's house.It not wrong per se, but it seems tone deaf. If you want to represent the people I believe it would help if you were able to understand their concerns and frustrations because you live among them instead of locked away from them.
Okay, thanks for the information.The mayor does not live in a gated community. The gun toting couple lives at 1 Portland Place, on a private gated street. The mayor lives at 502 Lake Avenue, in a different neighborhood about half a mile away. The protesters were marching through Portland Place to get to the mayor's house.
So no links then? It appears I was wrong and the Saint Louis mayor doesn't live in the gated community.Have you not seen what the domestic terrorist groups have been doing? So far a lot of the lib mayors have gone along with it. If, and when they decide to do their job, they are going to be in danger.
The mayor does not live in a gated community. The gun toting couple lives at 1 Portland Place, on a private gated street. The mayor lives at 502 Lake Avenue, in a different neighborhood about half a mile away. The protesters were marching through Portland Place to get to the mayor's house.
No idea. There certainly are other ways that are the same distance and don't include forcibly passing through gates and trespassing on private property.Any idea why these people needed to go through Portland Place to get to the mayor's house?
So no links then? It appears I was wrong and the Saint Louis mayor doesn't live in the gated community.
I hope those homeowners get what is coming to them. You don't recklessly point a weapon at unarmed people.
Lot of people know who they are and where they live now.
Do you think it's okay for the mayor to read the names and addresses of protesters out loud on a live Facebook feed? Do you think those protesters might receive threats of their own from those against their cause?Here is an idea. Go to city hall. People going to houses is not right.
Do you think it's okay for the mayor to read the names and addresses of protesters out loud on a live Facebook feed? Do you think those protesters might receive threats of their own from those against their cause?
you’re really unbelievable. But you think people like me are the problem.
They aren't protesters they are Domestic Terrorists and they are in people's neighborhoods, so in this war, that is going to happen.
No. These are domestic terrorists - Timothy McVeigh, Stephen Paddock, Dylan Roof, Boogaloo Boys and far too many other neo-concervative, white supremacist people and groups are domestic terrorists. Grouping protesters marching against police brutality that occasionally damage property with this group of abhorrent individuals is asinine.They aren't protesters they are Domestic Terrorists and they are in people's neighborhoods, so in this war, that is going to happen.
Btw, a quick review of 'private roads' and 'gated communities' shows the law is not that clear that the public has no right to access it.
Have they ever taken a public dime for the road repairs or maintenance? Who really owns the street? Do they expect police and fire to respond on their private road? Are traffic laws enforced on the private road?
"Is a gated community a place where a “substantial group of the public” has access? The answer is unclear. Some city police departments may adopt a policy to respond to certain types of calls from gated communities, but not others. Again, the problem involves the provision of public funds for private purposes, which is prohibited by the Constitution and state law."
http://www.jgradyrandlepc.com/local...rivate-roads-public-services-practical-guide/
Btw, a quick review of 'private roads' and 'gated communities' shows the law is not that clear that the public has no right to access it.
Have they ever taken a public dime for the road repairs or maintenance? Who really owns the street? Do they expect police and fire to respond on their private road? Are traffic laws enforced on the private road?
"Is a gated community a place where a “substantial group of the public” has access? The answer is unclear. Some city police departments may adopt a policy to respond to certain types of calls from gated communities, but not others. Again, the problem involves the provision of public funds for private purposes, which is prohibited by the Constitution and state law."
http://www.jgradyrandlepc.com/local...rivate-roads-public-services-practical-guide/
It's private property, why is that confusing you? The property owners maintain the common grounds and roads.
And, the property owners pay taxes and are entitled to police and fire protection. That doesn't mean their property is public.
Btw, a quick review of 'private roads' and 'gated communities' shows the law is not that clear that the public has no right to access it.
Have they ever taken a public dime for the road repairs or maintenance? Who really owns the street? Do they expect police and fire to respond on their private road? Are traffic laws enforced on the private road?
"Is a gated community a place where a “substantial group of the public” has access? The answer is unclear. Some city police departments may adopt a policy to respond to certain types of calls from gated communities, but not others. Again, the problem involves the provision of public funds for private purposes, which is prohibited by the Constitution and state law."
http://www.jgradyrandlepc.com/local...rivate-roads-public-services-practical-guide/
Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said they are legally protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.
"The protesters thought they had a right to protest," Walker said. "But as a technical matter, they were not allowed to be there ... It’s essentially a private estate. If anyone was violating the law, it was the protesters. In fact if (the McCloskeys) have photos of the protesters, they could go after them for trespassing."
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...ba6ac9c03.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
I am not sure about that. Usually the right to use deadly force to protect yourself only applies if you have reason to believe that they are there to hurt you. They didn't approach the people or the home. For the most part they were walking past it.
Yes they where trespassing. Yes the police should have arrested them for it.
But protecting yourself doesn't extend to trespassing. If some kid starts biking on your lawn he's trespassing. That doesn't give you the right to let him have it with your AR-15.
This is the kind of shit that leads to unnecessary deaths. I can't remember specifically the incidences but a couple black people got shot because they were looking for help and knocked on the door of some terrified nut or approached the wrong house looking for a party and had a nut blast them.
People need to stop thinking that once someone touches a blade of your grass you can kill them for it.
No. These are domestic terrorists - Timothy McVeigh, Stephen Paddock, Dylan Roof, Boogaloo Boys and far too many other neo-concervative, white supremacist people and groups are domestic terrorists. Grouping protesters marching against police brutality that occasionally damage property with this group of abhorrent individuals is asinine.
People like you thought MLK and the protests he led were terrorizing as well. They were wrong too.
You’re right. I’m sure that YOU, some guy in Indiana knows more about the Castle Doctrine law in St. Louis than a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University.I am not sure about that. Usually the right to use deadly force to protect yourself only applies if you have reason to believe that they are there to hurt you. They didn't approach the people or the home. For the most part they were walking past it.
Yes they where trespassing. Yes the police should have arrested them for it.
But protecting yourself doesn't extend to trespassing. If some kid starts biking on your lawn he's trespassing. That doesn't give you the right to let him have it with your AR-15.
This is the kind of shit that leads to unnecessary deaths. I can't remember specifically the incidences but a couple black people got shot because they were looking for help and knocked on the door of some terrified nut or approached the wrong house looking for a party and had a nut blast them.
People need to stop thinking that once someone touches a blade of your grass you can kill them for it.
If you leave your house and forget to lock one of your doors and a robber is able to simply open that door and enter your house, isn't it still robbery if he takes stuff? It's still trespassing on private property, unless there's a quirk in Missouri law. No one invited them on the property.Actually, the story "reports" that the gun-wavers claimed the gate was broken down. But video shows them simply opening the gate and walking through.
Missouri's Castle Doctrine Law is more extensive than those of other states because it allows you to use deadly force to attack an intruder to protect any private property that you own, in addition to yourself or another individual. This means that if someone illegally enters your front porch or backyard, you can use deadly force against them without retreating first.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/missouri-law/missouri-self-defense-laws.html
Do you have a right to peacefully protest on private property?The next paragraph in the article states:
"St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly M. Gardner appeared to take a different view, releasing a statement Monday that said she's "alarmed at the events that occurred over the weekend where peaceful protestors (sic) were met by guns and a violent assault."
Gardner said her office is investigating.
"We must protect the right to peacefully protest, and any attempt to chill it through intimidation or threat of deadly force will not be tolerated," Gardner said. "Make no mistake: we will not tolerate the use of force against those exercising their First Amendment rights, and will use the full power of Missouri law to hold people accountable."
Wait, what? So guns are ok to have and to carry and to open carry...unless you're protesting. Wait, no...that's not right...because they're ok if you're protesting hair cuts.....so you become a rioter if you're protesting against the killing of POC and carrying a weapon? This is all very confusing. Perhaps you can make a chart...As soon as a “protester” arms themself, they are no longer a protester. They have become a rioter. Say all you want about how poorly the people in the video handled the firearms, but they were absolutely within their rights to do what they did.
This was in St Louis. How far from these people’s home were the Ferguson riots?
You win the Deflection Award.So I suppose I should have gone to the Michigan statehouse on the day of the "We need haircuts" rally brandishing my firearms to you know. . . meet force with force.
Do you have a right to peacefully protest on private property?
Missouri's Castle Doctrine Law is more extensive than those of other states because it allows you to use deadly force to attack an intruder to protect any private property that you own, in addition to yourself or another individual. This means that if someone illegally enters your front porch or backyard, you can use deadly force against them without retreating first.
https://statelaws.findlaw.com/missouri-law/missouri-self-defense-laws.html
Private university property or public university property?Guess we'll find out when it hits the courts...
But, yes, people do it on University property all the time.
The next paragraph in the article states:
"St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly M. Gardner appeared to take a different view, releasing a statement Monday that said she's "alarmed at the events that occurred over the weekend where peaceful protestors (sic) were met by guns and a violent assault."
Gardner said her office is investigating.
"We must protect the right to peacefully protest, and any attempt to chill it through intimidation or threat of deadly force will not be tolerated," Gardner said. "Make no mistake: we will not tolerate the use of force against those exercising their First Amendment rights, and will use the full power of Missouri law to hold people accountable."