All they need are BLOOD SAMPLES taken from the time they were tested, or thereafter.
Which apparently, they have. And which DID NOT SHOW exposure to Covid.
Yet, here you are, still running with that BS.
Who still believes Covid didn’t come from a lab?
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All they need are BLOOD SAMPLES taken from the time they were tested, or thereafter.
Which apparently, they have. And which DID NOT SHOW exposure to Covid.
Yet, here you are, still running with that BS.
Yes; I've said this many times.
Keeping the controversy alive minimizes the impacts on them having to regulate their wet markets.
I don't know that they didn't test positive for a coronavirus on PCR test. I assume they had a respiratory panel drawn while they were in the hospital. Maybe they did test positive for a coronavirus at that time. Once again, this is where the reports from China would be helpful.
But if a person tests positive for a coronavirus on a respiratory panel, this does not raise much suspicion to the provider. This is a common illness that is treated frequently. The patient would be treated and discharged as indicated.
According to this study, there was a 38 day lag between initial infection to the index case where authorities understood that there is a problem.
The First 50 days of COVID-19: A Detailed Chronological Timeline and Extensive Review of Literature Documenting the Pandemic
This chapter surveys the global unfolding of events during the first 50 days of the COVID-19 pandemic in China. An extensive review of literature from both academic and popular sources provides a daily overview of the situation covering health, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This is consistent with a previous sars outbreak that leaked from a lab:
"Although the authorities reacted swiftly once the alarm was raised, there was a delay of almost a month from the date of first infection to when the index case of infection was announced. By that time all the other cases of infection had already occurred."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/
1st known case of coronavirus traced back to November in China
A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe.
www.livescience.com
No, you and others rush to ridicule anyone who posts anything other than the natural/wet market theory time after time... I'm simply pointing out there are piles of reputable sources who've said the lab leak is more likely. Not to mention pointing out how ridiculous your China defense is.
We correct idiocy.
You're the idiots who rush to post things that constantly get debunked. Maybe do a bit of research before you post, and you won't get your ass handed to you all the time.
I don't ridicule, I state you don't have hard concrete evidence for your hyposthesis, and no one knows for certain whether the wet market or the lab was the definitive cause. You have been the one knocking the wet market hypothesis just as much so don't look as if you are any less guilty than what you accuse me of. I fully understand there is a possibility it was from the lab and don't remove it as a possiblity. However just look at this topic - "Who believes Covid didn't come from a Lab." That I can stand up and give a plausible hypothesis, data, and other scientists and previous historical cases of zoonosis events seem to support my position and seems like a pretty strong basis for my current belief it was probably zoonosis.
Nope, you're a disinformation shill who's duped people on this board for years. Thankfully more people are starting to wake up and figure it out. Now back on ignore for you, not worth the bandwidth arguing with social media bots.
There you again ridiculing someone for an opinion that has validity that you don't want to hear. Yet you think we are paid shills. What is this world coming to.
The difference is you just admitted a lab leak is a possibility even though you don't agree with the theory. You probably agree with me on more things than not.
Joe doesn't admit anything. He truly believes he is the authority on everything. According to Joe, he has never been wrong and will never be wrong in the future.
He seems just as stanch in his opinion as you, Whiskey and Deangelo and others on this board. What I get frustrated with is facts are no longer becoming facts. Its purely about tribalism. You have Vickers calling Joe a shill when he clearly isn't. The other is and no offense to you, as you have actually brought some decent support, even though I may not fully agree with it. Many on the right, I see it every day, merely state I heard this so its fact, i ask where they heard it and the response is generally Fox news, or at the water cooler, and the majority of it is highly partisan and has minimal basis in fact. I guess I still stand by the scientific community that still believes its most likely zoonosis, the fact you and others would prefer to discount that . . . I guess I can understand it, but also question the thought processes of coming to that conclusion.
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Nor do I
There's just very limited evidence that supports this, and there are quite a number of inconsistent facts that would debunk it entirely, UNLESS they can be shown to be incorrect or explained in light of a lab leak hypothesis.
These include:
- Data showing case clusters early on miles away from the lab at the wet market
- No scientists at the lab being sick from Covid
- Allegations that scientists WERE sick being debunked by assay evidence
- Allegations that scientists WERE sick being debunked by other international colleagues who spent time with several of them during this timeframe
- No evidence of scientists at the lab being "contagion vectors", which would have put their homes as other satellite infection zones
That doesn't mean it didn't come from the lab; it just means you need a rather convoluted explanation for the data we have.
Like, a janitor at the lab being exposed/infected, and being fired the same day for violating protocols or something, BEFORE he became contagious. And then he went to the wet markets looking for a job, and became infectious there. That would explain the wet markets being a source and why the janitor never went back to the lab to make them a 2nd satellite source.
Entirely plausible; very coincidental. No evidence that currently supports it.
and there WERE virus samples similar to original Covid found in cages at the wet market, so he'd have had to be hired to clean those out, or something.
Simpler explanation is that the lab had nothing to do with it, and an animal had a coronavirus that jumped to a person at the wet markets, and that person spent several days there being contagious and spreading it to others.
The conspiracy theorists here seem to want to convolute the "lab leak" with a "lab contrived" virus, which are entirely different things. And there is zero evidence this virus was artificially created. There are no markers that show this in the early virus samples. And if it WAS "engineered", then you have that issue AND sorting out how it ONLY got to the wet markets and similar variants ended up in animal cages, which is even more far-fetched.
We had no evidence where SARS or MERS came from, either. We just had animal reservoirs that had similar viruses, and had to make a best guess. That's exactly the case here.
For all we know, there may never have been an animal at the wet market with the virus - the person who caught those animals may have been infected, and selling animals at the markets. That person became infected hunting and trapping animals for the wet markets, and worked there. Which, again, that transmission chain ONLY occurs if you have people out in the areas these animal populations live getting exposed to them.
Shut down the wet-market trade for those at-risk animals and no one hunts them. No one gets exposed and brings the virus into the populated area. It'd be like Ebola in remote African villages....burn itself out in some tiny Chinese town.
A zoonosis origin and a lab leak are not really even opposing theories. It is possible that covid developed naturally in the wild, was found by the wuhan researchers and then leaked from the lab.
I have not been able to find solid evidence supporting covid coming from natural transmission though, whereas there are lots of little pieces that point to the lab leak.
Politics in science never turns out well. This prevents the truth from being told. Unfortunately, politics have infiltrated research and medicine.
Yes.
They are.
Although you are intentionally convoluting two different things here. Which I'd already explained to you.
Hawk I think that statement alone shows your bias, diseases in general are 99.9% zoonosis events, and we don't always discover the original source.
For it to be a lab leak here is the most plausible option that I don't think is very high but lets go with it. Your 3 scientists all became infected at the same time from the same animal (this is highly unlikely in itself but lets roll with it) the 3 get sick and go to the hospital. Sometime during that time frame they somehow infect an animal that can be a carrier or someone else that goes under the radar, but they don't infect any of their acquaintances, loved ones or anyone at the hospital. The animal or other individual continue to pass on until someone or something ends up at the wet market. The 3 are tested and don't show any antibodies of Covid 6 months later either because China manipulated the data, or the antibodies were below the levels that would show a positive. Or somehow a bat escaped and ended up in the wet market, again doesn't appear likely in this case and not something you or others seem to think is plausible. The other is in the early stages it doesn't appear that Covid was being transferred through aresol from Human to Human. More from animal source to Human. This would coincide with a zoonosis event. Then Covid became able to be passed through coughs ect and we end up in our current state.
Its just as plausible if not more plausible someone ran into this somewhere in China, and either became infected or was handling an animal that was a carrier, and it gradually found a foothold in the wet market.
2/3 seems low. What are 37% protecting? Their egos?
No, a basic understanding of science. Come to think of it, 37% appears high in that light.
Clearly most of you here never took anything past the HS class you slept thru.
It's definitely possible. I can't deny a possible zoonosis origin.
I just think it is too big of a coincidence that the outbreak occurred within a short distance of the wuhan lab where they were doing gain of function research on coronaviruses.
It is plausible that the virus leaked from the lab then mutated enough once it was in a human subject that the original scientists did not develop covid antibodies like we were testing for in March 2020 (they developed antibodies to a different strain). I guess this would fall into a combination of lab leak/ zoonosis theory.
There are lots of possible reasons why the scientists didn't test positive. I don't think this proves or disproves anything. It may have more meaning if we had complete records of these guys, but without more info, it doesn't mean much to me.
I have seen lots of strange results with covid tests and antibodies. They have to evaluated within the context of the clinical scenario and history.
I respect your skepticism for the lab leak theory though.
A $114,000,000 donation from a bankrupt Chinese real estate company in exchange for "access" to Dr. Fauci right when the covid hype was ramping up. Uhhh, what lab leak? We never said anything about no stinking lab leak...
thespectator.com
The Harvard connection
Daley and Fauci would have understood the distinction between working with a Chinese vaccine program and taking enormous sums from Evergrande
thespectator.com
Joes Place will be along shortly to discredit the article in some form or fashion.A $114,000,000 donation from a bankrupt Chinese real estate company in exchange for "access" to Dr. Fauci right when the covid hype was ramping up. Uhhh, what lab leak? We never said anything about no stinking lab leak...
The Harvard connection
Daley and Fauci would have understood the distinction between working with a Chinese vaccine program and taking enormous sums from Evergrande
A $114,000,000 donation from a bankrupt Chinese real estate company in exchange for "access" to Dr. Fauci right when the covid hype was ramping up. Uhhh, what lab leak? We never said anything about no stinking lab leak...
The Harvard connection
Daley and Fauci would have understood the distinction between working with a Chinese vaccine program and taking enormous sums from Evergrande
This is a rather "out of place" statement in your article, which is not supported by the cited info
"That Fauci would have required a Harvard official or a real estate company to coordinate efforts or facilitate contact with Zhong is unthinkable."
Did you read it?
It starts right off with some rather unusual, and factually unsupported "narrative filling".
Seems like a lot of Nothingburger, with all the insinuation intermixed with a sprinkling of actual facts.
Plenty of other scientists have reviewed the genome in great detail, and have NOT concluded any "engineering" of the virus, despite whatever early takes some may have made. It's not like they can hide the actual data of the genome from the rest of the world here - it's been public since Jan 2020, bro.
"But the rest of us are left wondering why Fauci, America’s most powerful science official and the man entrusted with running its pandemic response, would not only take time from a schedule in which every minute counted not only to entertain but to endorse a deal with a colossally indebted Chinese real estate firm."
There is zero evidence Fauci was at all any part of the deal from the article.
There is zero evidence Fauci was at all any part of the deal from the article.
Did you read it?
They reneged on the pledge.
So, in light of that, why would Daley and Fauci remain "silent" on any coverup on money that they never got?
Be specific.
Hahahahah, right up there with the dwarf, disabled psychiatric tower employee causing the helicopter plain crash. Trump didn’t need facts just common sense. Pretty much clears the air you are a Republican LOL. 😂
What was she, 15 when President Trump was president?
I figure we should check on you and make sure you haven’t offed yourself while being dead ass wrong for the last 4+ years…
At least he probably can't go back and edit much, since most of his posts have probably been replied to. 🤣
Well duh. Actually I was an independent for a long time but leaning a LOT more right lately. The woke, pharma, anti guns, climate change agenda, and censorship BS the dems hooked their cart to was way too much for me.
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