Covid likely came from a lab per report.

[Flie]

The cognitive dissonance of those denying this possibility is truly astounding. Who do you think you're defending? China? Fauci? Or is it as simple as Trump might believe it so you can't allow yourself to? Crazy.

The obsession with Fauci and the Covid origin is interesting. What is the goal here? Let's say somebody actually proves beyond all doubt that covid came from a bat or that it came from a lab. What happens then?

The right is all on in this though, for some reason.

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

The cognitive dissonance of those denying this possibility is truly astounding. Who do you think you're defending? China? Fauci? Or is it as simple as Trump might believe it so you can't allow yourself to? Crazy.

Stop Asian hate, bro!

It was hilarious to watch all the fools rush in to confirm the lab leak was a right wing conspiracy theory, especially the part where they got a bunch of scientists to sign a letter saying it didn’t come from a lab, when there was virtually no way that could have been known. Priceless, really.

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

The obsession with Fauci and the Covid origin is interesting. What is the goal here? Let's say somebody actually proves beyond all doubt that covid came from a bat or that it came from a lab. What happens then?

The right is all on in this though, for some reason.

liability for starters.

People want to know if this was caused by negligence, not happenstance.

 

[Flie]

liability for starters.

People want to know if this was caused by negligence, not happenstance.

So we hold china accountable for the fake virus? i.e. the common cold, the sniffles etc...

 

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

So we hold china accountable for the fake virus? i.e. the common cold, the sniffles etc...

Or the trillions of dollars of debt that was run up

 

[Flie]

Or the trillions of dollars of debt that was run up

Would we send a bill?

 

[DeangeloVickers]

I've never understood the MAGA obsession to create proof that Covid came from a lab. Even if it did, Trump still pissed the response down his leg. What is the MAGA explanation for his incompetent efforts to fight the virus. And, if it came from a Chinese lab, why was Trump such a pussy about responding?

This is TDS brain rot on full display. It's incredible how relatively normal people became so obsessed with Trump that their entire system of logical thought collapsed.
Here's a start - millions died worldwide. Millions more have life altering affects. Economies around the world collapsed and many still haven't recovered. Countless people lost their jobs and are still struggling.
Every shred of truth regarding covid and it's origins matters.
It matters so the mistakes can be clearly known and corrected. It matters bc if anything to do with it's creation and handling was against international regulations, those responsible should be held to account. It matters bc the world deserves to know, based on the cover up and lies, this is who China is and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Good grief Lucas.

 

[Flie]

This is TDS brain rot on full display. It's incredible how relatively normal people became so obsessed with Trump that their entire system of logical thought collapsed.
Here's a start - millions died worldwide. Millions more have life altering affects. Economies around the world collapsed and many still haven't recovered. Countless people lost their jobs and are still struggling.
Every shred of truth regarding covid and it's origins matters.
It matters so the mistakes can be clearly known and corrected. It matters bc if anything to do with it's creation and handling was against international regulations, those responsible should be held to account. It matters bc the world deserves to know, based on the cover up and lies, this is who China is and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Good grief Lucas.

LOL yes it all revolves around Trump.

Millions died WITH Covid not from covid. Don't you remember the narratives? Biden collapsed the economy, not covid.

I agree on the premise that the truth should be sought but maybe don't start with the answer and try to match data to it as the method of searching.

 

[Scruddy]

They're into some kinky stuff over there... the masks were part of some weird societal role play. I bet Joes Place...errr Anthony Fauci has some serious freak in him.

I always assumed they wore the masks as a sign of their cult membership (and bc statistics show liberals are generally less physically attractive/have more observable mental health issues than conservatives.)

Trust the science!

 

[Finance85]

So we hold china accountable for the fake virus? i.e. the common cold, the sniffles etc...

The US funded the research, and it was moved to China from North Carolina after Obama's EO to end gain of function research in 2014.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Most reasonably objective people acknowledge the possibility of a C-19 lab origin.

It’s also quite reasonable to demand a higher level of evidence than we’ve been given so far to believe that with any level of confidence whatsoever.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

likely

 

[Rifler]

The obsession with Fauci and the Covid origin is interesting. What is the goal here? Let's say somebody actually proves beyond all doubt that covid came from a bat or that it came from a lab. What happens then?

The powers that be become further discredited...

 

[Finance85]

The powers that be become further discredited...

This ^

The US government depends on citizens' trust.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

LOL yes it all revolves around Trump.

Millions died WITH Covid not from covid. Don't you remember the narratives? Biden collapsed the economy, not covid.

I agree on the premise that the truth should be sought but maybe don't start with the answer and try to match data to it as the method of searching.

How about you read and respond to the post I replied to which was 100% about Trump?!? Clown.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

The powers that be become further discredited...

Agreed. It also seems to have taken quite a long time for the "science" to emerge here.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Most reasonably objective people acknowledge the possibility of a C-19 lab origin.

It’s also quite reasonable to demand a higher level of evidence than we’ve been given so far to believe that with any level of confidence whatsoever.

most reasonably objective people know there's only 2 genders, and math isn't racist, but here we are, nevertheless.

 

[Hawk_82]

The obsession with Fauci and the Covid origin is interesting. What is the goal here? Let's say somebody actually proves beyond all doubt that covid came from a bat or that it came from a lab. What happens then?

The right is all on in this though, for some reason.

It's important because it could determine whether gain of function research continues or not.

If covid is found to have been man made in a lab and leaked, this would be a pretty big deal and a good reason to halt all gain of function research.

On the other hand, if covid came from nature, then gain of function research would be considered a success because it allowed a vaccine to be made within a year. In this scenario, gain of function research would likely get even more funding.

If we start doing more gain of function research, will that put people at greater risk or provide better protection?

 

[jneffer]

Would we send a bill?

i dont' think calling in debts and trading invoices with china would work out well for us

 

[KFsdisciple]

The obsession with Fauci and the Covid origin is interesting. What is the goal here? Let's say somebody actually proves beyond all doubt that covid came from a bat or that it came from a lab. What happens then?

The right is all on in this though, for some reason.

It's important that information be able to be shared freely, and dissenting opinions be able to be expressed without fear or repercussions.

People who said this came from a lab, or even said COULD have come from a lab etc were deplatformed, demonitized, berated, called conspiracy theorist, etc. From people with major platforms to the average American, anyone who dared challenge the approved narrative faced consequences.

The lasting lesson from Covid CAN NOT be the government is never wrong, the experts are never wrong, and no matter what your qualifications are you are not permitted to have any opinions or ideas outside the approved talking points.

As far as what happens if it was proven one way or the other, let's say it was a lab creation, what steps are we taking to prevent something like this happening again? If it came from a bat, well that's just bad Wuhan luck and not much we can do except to convince chinese people not to eat bats...But if it came from a lab, now we need to determine how, and if there was negligence or poor process that allowed it to escape...

So yes, it matters.

 

[Hawk_82]

It's important that information be able to be shared freely, and dissenting opinions be able to be expressed without fear or repercussions.

People who said this came from a lab, or even said COULD have come from a lab etc were deplatformed, demonitized, berated, called conspiracy theorist, etc. From people with major platforms to the average American, anyone who dared challenge the approved narrative faced consequences.

The lasting lesson from Covid CAN NOT be the government is never wrong, the experts are never wrong, and no matter what your qualifications are you are not permitted to have any opinions or ideas outside the approved talking points.

As far as what happens if it was proven one way or the other, let's say it was a lab creation, what steps are we taking to prevent something like this happening again? If it came from a bat, well that's just bad Wuhan luck and not much we can do except to convince chinese people not to eat bats...But if it came from a lab, now we need to determine how, and if there was negligence or poor process that allowed it to escape...

So yes, it matters.

You are spot on.

Covid has changed the perception people have of the government, medical community, and especially public health.

The left seem to have bought into the narrative 100% while the right don't trust the system at all anymore. This obviously doesn't work well with such polarizing positions.

In order for people to gain trust in the system, we need the truth to come out.

 

[KFsdisciple]

You are spot on.

Covid has changed the perception people have of the government, medical community, and especially public health.

The left seem to have bought into the narrative 100% while the right don't trust the system at all anymore. This obviously doesn't work well with such polarizing positions.

In order for people to gain trust in the system, we need the truth to come out.

Frankly, if it was a lab leak... then there's only two possibilities and neither are good.

If it was an accident, that means either there is a bad process that MUST be fixed or we could face another leak in the future and it could actually be really bad next time and not just a loss of taste and scent, OR The Experts we are supposed to blindly trust because they're the experts screwed up, and the process is fine but even the experts are fallible.

 

[Hawk_82]

Frankly, if it was a lab leak... then there's only two possibilities and neither are good.

If it was an accident, that means either there is a bad process that MUST be fixed or we could face another leak in the future and it could actually be really bad next time and not just a loss of taste and scent, OR The Experts we are supposed to blindly trust because they're the experts screwed up, and the process is fine but even the experts are fallible.

Curious if you have read this article? Wuhan lab was definitely doing dangerous work in less than safe conditions.

Inside the risky bat-virus engineering that links America to Wuhan

China emulated US techniques to construct novel coronaviruses in unsafe conditions.

www.technologyreview.com

“There are no enforceable standards of what you should and shouldn’t do. It’s up to the individual countries, institutions, and scientists.” And in China, she says, the vertiginous rise of high-tech biological research has not been accompanied by an equivalent increase in oversight.

In an email, Zhengli Shi said she followed Chinese rules that are similar to those in the US. Safety requirements are based on what virus you are studying. Since bat viruses like WIV1 haven’t been confirmed to cause disease in human beings, her biosafety committee recommended BSL-2 for engineering them and testing them and BSL-3 for any animal experiments."

 

[Sullivan]

Fox links give me herpes.

You might have herpes, but I doubt it's from Fox.

 

[KFsdisciple]

You might have herpes, but I doubt it's from Fox.

He probably has monkey pox… but it presents as herpes

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Hotez is a freaking psycho.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Hotez is a freaking psycho.

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OMG...if ANY entity gins up another health crisis, or two, or three, so as to derail/frustrate Trump, et al, or ANYBODY else, then the remaining credibility of the public health apparatus is going to be absolutely shredded. ALL MANNER of people will pay NO heed to any regulations, etc, nor will they believe anything told to them.

Now then, if his message is simply, we need serious people in these roles for serious problems, well OK, but he seemed to me to be implying something else. Almost a deliberate weaponization of public health crises.

 

[bunsen82]

120 billion acres of land on the planet and the virus happens to come from a wet market in the same town as a lab doing that kind of research.

Yes never had we had a disease come from a wet market or from animal transmission. And never have we discovered the source decades later or never. May want to look into Ebola and Marburg. I am not saying it couldn't have come from a lab. However to say definitively one way or another without any scientific support seems short sided. I remain open minded leaning towards animal due to the the location zero of the disease.

 

[bunsen82]

This ^

The US government depends on citizens' trust.

LOL, this coming from Finance who appears to want to sow distrust with misinformation at every corner.