Who still believes Covid didn’t come from a lab?
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You know 53 percent of people who identify as Democrats believe it came from lab. So left wingers must like conspiracy theories too
Being anti-GMO is the most white privilege thing ever
Well, if you have not been living in a box for the last couple years the logical evidence has been revealed time and time again. I can’t help you if you choose not to read news. Maybe Google stuff?
I've read the papers, I can't find anything with solid evidence. Maybe you have read something I haven't.
Just because you opened the files, doesn't mean you understood a whit of what you were allegedly "reading".
I think many on here might have consumed or snorted Roundup.
I think it’s possible it came from a lab, but the nuts in this thread are ABSOLUTE it came from a lab. There’s a big difference.
So not all novel viruses start in labs, but you are certain this one did? It MAY have started in a lab but why are you so convinced?
That’s a great question lucas. You are talking about a terrible president who had no idea what he was doing. Maybe that has a little to do with it.
Covid is a documented asymptomatic contagion,.. as a covid aficionado you should know this.
Yes; that's the point.
AT THE TIME if it had occurred as a "lab leak" you'd expect those IN THE LAB would have ALL been carriers and have created a focal point around the lab AND anywhere they went.
But that is NOT what the data show. And NONE of them "carried" it to the conference that the Australian researcher attended WITH them.
There have been 34 outbreaks of Ebola, they have never sourced the animal or area where it is coming from. By your logic it must be human origins. There have been some zoonosis events that took decades to track down the animals where it originated from. As to the bat it could have also came from carrier such as the raccoon dogs, which were being located in an area where could have been covid zero with other animals. The market does appear to be the epicenter and very possible the handlers were the first ones to get sick.
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By his "logic", all the Ebola cases came from Chinese labs, too.
And Marburg virus.
Too chickenshit to make this a poll? Oh noes. What will happen to him if he doesn’t? Internet is serious business for people with family money and nothing else to do with their time. Pretty salty today. Did the wife’s family cut off your credit card lil guy?
Given the asymptomatic nature of this illness, and the speed at which it was able to spread, without blanket testing of the entire population there would have been no way to determine who was carrying what at any given point in time,.... The data you keep referring to is at best questionable, and at it's worst Chinese governmental spin...
I don’t know why a poll would help here when multiple media sources have already done this.
Just find an old “what political party do you identify with poll” on here. From that it would be easy to figure out
The liberals would vote came from nature, because there is no way they would agree with a thought started by conservatives
The moderates would vote lab, because it just seems like the far more likely scenario . And because choosing with logic is better than choosing with emotion
The conservatives would vote lab, because Trump said so and Fauci is the devil
The speed at what it spread is not in question. It was able to spread due to being more of a novel virus to the human population and an airborne virus which lead to it being easily transferred. We can only go off of the facts and information we have which currently shows the wet market as the epicenter. I am not going to just throw that data away even if it is from the CCP. I think the CCP wouldn't have been smart enough to do all the scrubbing to remove any acquaintance or geographical location to the lab. At best all you have is hypothetical and circumstantial to state it came from the clinic.
FALSE
They tracked who was NOT asymptomatic. And those cases centered around the wet market.
There were NO cases centered around the Wuhan lab.
There were NO cases connected to the conference the Australian researcher attended WITH Wuhan scientists within 1 month of the outbreak.
Those "inconvenient facts" are not consistent with the lab being the source, or a source of the outbreak.
There's no way you're serious with this statement. This is at best recklessly naive and at worst straught up ccp propaganda.
I am dead serious, they posted this information initially, pulled it down, then put it back up again. You are a not telling me that you seriously consider the lab as a source without any credible information to link it to the lab right - you would just rather believe a conspiracy theory that the right has tried to shove down throats with minimal rebuke from scientists or the left. That is the only reason the numbers are going up, is because you have articles stating 3 scientists went to a hospital, yet they don't show them as a source or even there for covid, or that anyone else got sick from those 3 individuals. I consider that reckless reporting.
Did you forget the CCP was disappearing and jailing journalists during covid who dared to reporton anything not CCP sanctioned? They lied about data the entire time. Do you really not think they knew the implications of a possible lab leak and would do everything imaginable to suppress any data pointing that direction?
I think we're past reckless naivete and definitely in the Joes Place level realm of intentional CCP spin.
They didn't "censor" anything until well AFTER the virus started spreading.
Information that is being presented to you is stuff that was available BEFORE the outbreak had been identified. Like the testimony from the Australian researcher.
No I go with the facts at hand, you have no facts yet want me to just to believe you because you say so. Give me a single shred of evidence that supports your case . . . 1 single that shows this was a leak from the lab. I am open minded but so far have seen nothing to show it originated there. Yet I am the naïve one . . . really????
BS
It is widely known that when the new coronavirus emerged in December 2019, the Chinese government downplayed the pandemic threat for several critical weeks. Less commonly known is those same authorities deliberately sacrificed health workers to maintain their lies.
The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) calculated cover-up enabled the coronavirus to go global. By silencing doctors, Beijing not only fueled this pandemic but also compromised the world’s ability to spot the next one.
Why the CCP decided to cover up the outbreak is unclear. It may have been a reluctance to cancel political meetings, a fear of public panic—especially around the Chinese New Year—the embarrassment of another pathogen being born on Chinese soil, or the simple instinct to squash bad news ingrained into officials in an authoritarian
The Chinese Government’s Cover-Up Killed Health Care Workers Worldwide
Bad advice based on false information led to fatal mistakes.
foreignpolicy.com
The Lancet was reporting cases in late December to early January. I understand the CCP isn't fully transparent, but even they didn't understand the gravity until later on. The Lancet research still believes it is natural causes. Stating the initial cases were not jumping human to human until later in December into January.BS
It is widely known that when the new coronavirus emerged in December 2019, the Chinese government downplayed the pandemic threat for several critical weeks. Less commonly known is those same authorities deliberately sacrificed health workers to maintain their lies.
The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) calculated cover-up enabled the coronavirus to go global. By silencing doctors, Beijing not only fueled this pandemic but also compromised the world’s ability to spot the next one.
Why the CCP decided to cover up the outbreak is unclear. It may have been a reluctance to cancel political meetings, a fear of public panic—especially around the Chinese New Year—the embarrassment of another pathogen being born on Chinese soil, or the simple instinct to squash bad news ingrained into officials in an authoritarian
The Chinese Government’s Cover-Up Killed Health Care Workers Worldwide
Bad advice based on false information led to fatal mistakes.
Did China downplay the coronavirus outbreak early on?
A new study shows the virus took off weeks earlier than Chinese officials have suggested.
www.vox.com
The first thing to consider is human to human transmission was not occurring early on. The other is that I believe several of the first 13 did end up with a connection to the wet market that was not previously realized. Geographically is all in the same area. If it was a lab leak, it would have been difficult for the virus to jump from 1 individual to another. This was still being sourced from a likely animal source.
And we are referring to NOVEMBER, when the first exposures hit.
And they could not go back and "hide" information from that timeframe. LIKE the Australian researcher who was physically interacting with people from their lab BEFORE they figured out they needed to hide anything.
They could certainly "hide" stuff from later. But it's not possible to really "hide" a lab leak, when your lab personnel have already traveled and interacted outside the City, is it?
This is PRECISELY the point.
They don't KNOW they need to "cover anything up" until weeks LATER. And by then, employees from the lab would have been traveling with the virus IF it had originated there. By their own admission, they have referred to "sick employees" in the Nov/Dec timeframe, that OTHER Wuhan lab employees interacted with. IF those illnesses had been Covid, we'd have seen satellite breakouts other places those people had been.
Ergo: those were NOT Covid illnesses, which is one of the main points they are using to try and claim Covid originated in the lab.
That dog don't hunt.
Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed
The claim Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory dates from early in the pandemic. Here's what we know.
www.bbc.com
Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed
The claim Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory dates from early in the pandemic. Here's what we know.
A classified US intelligence report - saying three researchers at the Wuhan laboratory were treated in hospital in November 2019, just before the virus began infecting humans in the city - began circulating in US media in 2021.
And THAT would imply the virus SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPREADING within that/those hospitals as well as around the Wuhan lab in November. Which is not consistent with the data.
Exposed, asymptomatic hospital workers would have infected much of the hospital areas, and generated multiple infection-foci FAR from the wet markets.
Yet, we see NONE of that.
If the "zoonotic" theory is proved correct, it could affect activities such as farming and wildlife exploitation.
EXACTLY: THIS WOULD REQUIRE CHINA TO SHUT DOWN ITS WET MARKETS, 100%
EXACTLY: THIS WOULD REQUIRE CHINA TO SHUT DOWN ITS WET MARKETS, 100%
Jfc, there's been piles of discussion and articles and evidence posted s if you really cared. You're clearly committed to the wet market official CCP story for whatever reason... my assumption is severe TDS and the refusal to accept anything you think might make him look good.
Did you actually read this article? You and many others on here are taking an entirely different stance than even this article does.Covid origin: Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed
The claim Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory dates from early in the pandemic. Here's what we know.
No; we are not
The article states, outright, that the leading theory among scientific circles is NOT the lab-leak.
You guys are arguing with a Chinese bot about how the China virus didn't come from China BTW.
A natural origin is still the more likely theory, said Professor David Robertson, head of viral genomics and bioinformatics at the University of Glasgow.
"There's been an accumulation of evidence (what we know about the viruses biology, the close variants circulating in bats and locations of early human cases) that firmly points to a natural origin centred on the Huanan market in Wuhan city," he said.
Prof Alice Hughes from the University of Hong Kong agreed. She said the US Department of Energy's conclusion that the virus was most likely the result of a lab leak in Wuhan "appears not to be based on new evidence, and remains the weaker of the two main hypothesis of the origin of the virus".
Thats the article in a nutshell. Discussing the possibilities and still coming back to a zoonosis event. Shows the intelligence level and arguing skills of what we are dealing with on this board. Shows why I should just stop.
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