Brands fired his good friend Zadick, so of course Zadick has a beef. Wrestling is a hard hard sport, so oftentimes there are hard feelings after career is done, especially with a coach as mentally exhausting as Brands. Its a different type of guy that won't talk to your former best friend just because he took a great job for him at a different institution. 90% of college wrestlers are different, but 1% are like Brands and for better or worse, that is hard on a guy and it takes awhile to decompress from that situation. My guess is they start liking Brands again 5 years after they are done. Ever talk to Tom or Terry Brands for any length of time? Can you imagine having both of them in your ear all the time, with no break, getting pissed at you and mentally abusing you if you fail? Its probably like going through the army. You hate your drill seargeant until you are out a few years and then you realize you like him.
Why supposedly are Zadick, St. John upset w/ Iowa?
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Mentally abusing you if you fail? Yeah, I don't think Tom and Terry are anything like that. They are intense of course, but I don't think they continually beat their guys down if they fail.
I have no knowledge of what goes on in the room, but I think both Brands get a bad wrap for allegedly burning guys out or being too intense. Sire they are intense, but I don't think it's anything a 18-23 yr old can't handle.
Exactly right, look. We got the wins we needed over Storley and Nelson, but then we got the shocking fall for Brancale over Gilman and DSJ getting put on his back by Ness, neither of which would have been likely to happen if they'd wrestled again 100 times. Knowing we had the wins at 174 and 285 made it all the tougher to swallow.
In terms of sheer entertainment for a wrestling fan, though, I agree -- lots of great action. Kind of the opposite of this year's Iowa-MN meet, which was a snoozer.
I watched that dual in a neighborhood bar a few blocks from my condo in Minneapolis. I was in the corner with a huge flatscreen to myself as everybody else was watching basketball. By the time the Steinhaus/ Brooks match started, the entire bar was watching the dual(about 20 people).
You just keep spewing bullshit that you have no idea about. It's no surprise that the other guy on here who likes to make stuff up liked your post. There are plenty of things to be upset about so quit making stuff up. It is a cowardly thing to do.
IIRC...Zadick wasn't fired. He was put into his position after Schawb left and it was on an interim basis. Due it being a state job eventually (after 2 years) they were forced to post the job and intreview applicants.
I got the feeling that others in the Athletic Department didn't want Zadick around and I don't think it was all up to Brands.
I got the feeling that others in the Athletic Department didn't want Zadick around and I don't think it was all up to Brands.
Hawknut...Brands is mad at Zadick or are you talking about Schwab? After firing him? Every post with you is an anti Brands one it seems. Even had to delete one or two the other day...the one about how they have M* walking on eggshells. Working or wrestling for Brands is so tough that M* leaped at the chance to do so only a few years after his career was done. Many others probably would as well.
Add in the guys that stick around to wrestle for the HWC and it seems like you are full of shit.
Add in the guys that stick around to wrestle for the HWC and it seems like you are full of shit.
Why do I get the feeling that your "sources" are the voices inside your head?
If you don't agree with it, doesn't mean I made it up. Look, almost all wrestling coaches get on their guys. I have multiple specific stories where IMO the Brands went overboard. I have stated several times that Brands will not have any relationship with his prior best friend because he went to coach UNI. Refute it if You think I am making it up, but don't randomly call me a liar if you have no idea what I know. I gave one example, and alluded to several others, but not gonna name names out of respect to the wrestlers/coaches involved. Are you saying that what I am saying about Brands/schwab is untrue? I have several credible sources that confirmed this to me, and even asked on here once, and no one refuted it. Are you claiming its untrue since you are saying I make stuff up?
I am not going into the Morningstar thing--I deleted that post, not you. I really don't care to go into it anymore, nor do you want me to. Someone said Zadick had a beef with Brands, I just pointed out an obvious reason. I really am not anti Brands so much as anti the crowd who goes nuts if you criticize him at all. The Brands are intense, crazy, and it's not right for all wrestlers. They don't pretend to be something they are not. They are not for everybody, and often (as many do in wrestling) go overboard and there are many examples. I even defended them saying that a lot of wrestlers dislike their coaches by their senior years and a few years beyond--then they appreciate them. Keep arguing with me if you want, but I am not making stuff up.
Known Brands, albeit from a distance, for a long time. Been in practice many times. Never seen him like that. That's your perception. Not reality if you watch him work.
I was at Nationals last year in between sessions speaking with an Iowa wrestlers parent. The Iowa shuttle van was parked by us filled with wrestlers and coaches. Schwab came over and said hi to the driver and those around. Tom didn't happen to be in there but Schwab wouldn't have known that. You are a gossip queen that is getting played by "your" sources.
You are just so full of shit you stink up the whole board. Brands aren't mentally abusing anyone or on guys for failing. I honestly have know idea where the hell you come up with this garbage. I am guessing your sources are similar to Ihawks. Opposing coaches with an agenda. Or a family member with an axe to grind.
Not what Kevin Jacksons wife told hawknut. I think we should believe him.
I will tell you guys a story about A Brands regime Iowa wrestler that I know. He was a stud and very likely multi AA possible NC talent. He liked his booze and cutting weight with mountain dew. He ends up not ever becoming an AA. We are friends with his family and they are still upset with the coaches. They have an axe to grind.
Kids like to blame others when it's their own choices that are screwing them. Parents like to believe that little Johnny is working his ass off so it must be the coaches fault. Little Johnny is one of those guys that down the road will wish he had listened to the coaches. The parents will always have an axe to grind and tell people like hawknut how bad little Johnny was abused. The son will likely never come clean and admit that he effed up a golden opportunity. Good family and Little Johnny is a good guy who is now successful. The family will probably never know the true story and will hold that grudge. This isn't unique to Iowa.
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dang champion for a new guy you got alittle bite, I like it.he already said his sources are former isu wrestlers and coaches, not gonna carry much weight around here.
I moved back to the Iowa City area a few months ago and decided to start posting.I had lurked for years and even had an account once but have no idea what the login is. I tried my login from hawkeye nation and it didn't work. I do have some good connections to the program and know that nobody will accept 2nd place. Changes have been made and will continue to be made until we are winning titles again. I love the changes with Rutt and recruiting. Everyone wants to win today and I will never dismiss our team but I think it is going to be another year or 2 before the better recruiting and strength and conditioning program pays off. Returning to lurk status is likely for the sake of my health.
My brother-in-law knows Mike Zadick quite well. Although he himself didn't wrestle, they share other common interests. I don't think Zadick ever had a beef with Brands before he was terminated, because the one thing he did say about it was that it was like being kicked by a horse when it happened and he was not expecting it.
Criticize Brands for putting Stoll back out there. Criticize him for some of the recruiting errors he has made. Whatever. But you are getting personal despite much evidence to the contrary. So yea...still full of shit.
yea zadick one of my favs really did hate to see him go, hope he knows that he is still a great hawkeye to a whole lot of us.
Here's my "personal" relationship with Terry Brands, all 5 minutes of it. I had attended a Father/Son camp with my son at the University. To be honest, I didn't enjoy my time (not going to give all reasons, just trying to state my mood). On the last day, we were to sit around and listen to a Gable speech, well that was a disaster. Then the team was to come in and give autographs; they did but again I was done with the weekend so I just told my son let's go, since we had a 2 hour drive to go.
On the way out, Terry and Gilman spot off from across the parking lot in front of the wrestling complex (they were returning from Junior nationals I believe). They run over to us, and said "sorry we're late, did we miss it already?" I said, we just need to get going. Terry words, "at least let me get a picture with the boy. not because he wants one with me, but because I want one with him". We proceeded to take 5 mins taking pictures with each other's phones, and then Gilman and Terry put my son on their shoulders in front of the Gable and it made his day, which in turn made mine.
Sorry for the rant, but that's the Brands I know, and feel he really is. I believe Gilman is the same way. Beast on the mat, gentleman off. This other crap, is just that.
On the way out, Terry and Gilman spot off from across the parking lot in front of the wrestling complex (they were returning from Junior nationals I believe). They run over to us, and said "sorry we're late, did we miss it already?" I said, we just need to get going. Terry words, "at least let me get a picture with the boy. not because he wants one with me, but because I want one with him". We proceeded to take 5 mins taking pictures with each other's phones, and then Gilman and Terry put my son on their shoulders in front of the Gable and it made his day, which in turn made mine.
Sorry for the rant, but that's the Brands I know, and feel he really is. I believe Gilman is the same way. Beast on the mat, gentleman off. This other crap, is just that.
Booya Pumpdog...awesome story
I enjoy hearing the Brands speak wrestling. They just have a way to explain things that make sense. If anything they are guilty of being to honest and does not have a filter. They are great for the sport and programs would line up to hire them.
Agreed, and also, it really upset me that we were that bad when Joe Williams was the honorary captain for that meet. Gilman comes out, gets caught to his back, gets out, does the same thing, caught to his back again, stuck. I remember CHA was just dumbfounded at what just happened. It was satisfying seeing Bramcale get stuck by Clark this year.
Wait..........what? You don't CARE whether your sources are off or not?
Are YOU being honest? If so.......please stop posting here.
We don't need posters passing on BAD or DISHONEST info from their anonymous sources.
In fact...... if you TRULY don't care about your sources ACCURACY , then I am really serious about not posting here anymore because we can't TRUST ANYTHING you post from now on.
Please rethink your position. Your credibility is at stake.
My source is a father of a current well known starter on another team. Not a Hawkeye but an Iowa kid who has grown up in certain circles. Typically I get good info from him on that team but looking back its clear that this father may have an ax to grind with Brands since Iowa didn't recruit him.
I don't care was meant at who gives a crap about any post ever. Its a message gossip board for fanatics. Whatever you, I or anyone ever post wont change the outcome of the NC ST, fix Sammy's knee or over take PSU in NYC or Recruiting.
I don't consider myself Johnny insider like some of you get off on trying to portray but I get a few tidbits here and there and I bring what I can to the board because that's what I hope anyone would do. If anyone has any inside gossip I hope its posted, right or wrong and let the board thread work itself out like it did in this case. I apologize for being wrong about what I hear about DSJ's SR year of frustration. Seemed to make sense to me and I also assumed it was over since DSJ came back to train. I will think twice about another teams father saying what he has heard about Iowa from his kid and his friends whom some are on Iowas roster.
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I played a different sport in college, a lot less intense than wrestling, and I can say that I was a little burnt out by my senior year. You just get tired of doing the same thing, hearing the same thing, and practicing the same thing day in and day out for 4 or 5 years. That is just human nature. I don't harbor have any negative feelings towards my coaches, but at times in my senior year I can say that I was not in a good mood on certain days.
Wrestling is a different sport altogether. It is more intense physically and mentally than a lot of other sports. The constant grind and weight cutting has to take a toll, and by guys senior years (remember that is year 5 for most guys since they redshirt) it does not surprise me at all if some guys are burnt out.
Now I'm sure there are ways that coaches can help this. Let guys move up in weight, different practice days, different workout routines, etc.. But coaches also have certain things ingrained in them that they will never change. You will never see the Brands get away from moving forward, hand fighting, and attacking. So while we can talk about changes that are needed, some things coaches will never change, and that can be a good thing as well.
Wrestling is a different sport altogether. It is more intense physically and mentally than a lot of other sports. The constant grind and weight cutting has to take a toll, and by guys senior years (remember that is year 5 for most guys since they redshirt) it does not surprise me at all if some guys are burnt out.
Now I'm sure there are ways that coaches can help this. Let guys move up in weight, different practice days, different workout routines, etc.. But coaches also have certain things ingrained in them that they will never change. You will never see the Brands get away from moving forward, hand fighting, and attacking. So while we can talk about changes that are needed, some things coaches will never change, and that can be a good thing as well.
Every once in awhile, I speak to opposing people related to wrestlers that know folks from the Iowa program. At least in this folks case, they do not have an axe to grind and have been very complimentary to Iowa and their wrestlers. Hard to admire a program and everything they stand for and then turn around and start hating. Some can, but not the people I talk to just because their wrestlers didn't end up at Iowa. Most of the info has been spot on, related to Iowa or not. I pass it along when I can or just don't say anything.
This is not to say that I am in the know. It's a far cry from falling into some info to actually seeing things play out first hand in the room...and as everyone knows, I might as well be on the moon that's how close I am to Carver. However, I retire in 9 months and am plotting...tough to get a Mexican woman from Arizona up to Iowa but she does love the area...might have to buy her a small tank to drive in the snow as she had a rough go of it when we lived in Omaha.
BTW...anybody work at any area hospitals and need a dual qualified Family/Acute care Nurse Practitioner? Figured I can pimp my wife out while I am at it.
This is not to say that I am in the know. It's a far cry from falling into some info to actually seeing things play out first hand in the room...and as everyone knows, I might as well be on the moon that's how close I am to Carver. However, I retire in 9 months and am plotting...tough to get a Mexican woman from Arizona up to Iowa but she does love the area...might have to buy her a small tank to drive in the snow as she had a rough go of it when we lived in Omaha.
BTW...anybody work at any area hospitals and need a dual qualified Family/Acute care Nurse Practitioner? Figured I can pimp my wife out while I am at it.
Wait you are not even retired yet and you post this much! Cant wait to see your post counts in 9 months. I kid I kid
So your telling me I am wrong about Brands/Schwab (and I hope I am wrong), because Schwab came over to the Iowa shuttle van and said hi to the driver and others around? That is your proof? That is ridiculous to call me out based on that evidence. I would be glad to say I am wrong if someone with any knowledge of it tells me that I am incorrect on that statement. I have multiple good sources telling me this stuff. I didn't say Schwab won't talk to Brands, I said Brands won't talk to Schwab. I'm sorry that you disagree or have sources that disagree, but I don't make it up. I'd love to be wrong on that one, and even tried to come on this board before hoping someone refutes it. No one did, despite having several "insiders" on this board. No one besides you has said it was wrong.
You are obviously biased because you are friends with a family who had a talented son, who in your estimation blew it by drinking and not cutting properly. Obviously they don't agree with you and I bet there is alot more to the story. Regardless, I actually defended Brands saying that top D1 wrestling is very tough and that most kids in most top programs are probably sick of their coaches by the time they are seniors or are done. It probably takes a few years to decompress and like it again. But, and I bet many on here agree with me that the Brands are a bit different than most wrestling coaches. You can choose to believe what I have said I have heard, or you can choose not to believe it. Going into details here will not only get the pro-Brands natives here worked up in a fury, it isn't fair to the specific wrestlers. I wasn't there for any of the stories, so who knows, but I believe them to be good sources and true. If you disagree fine, but trying to provide evidence that because Schwab said hi to the van driver and someothers means Brands is talking to him all the time is just nonsense and makes you look bad. I like Tom Brands and think he has unparalleled drive and does great with guys similar to him. I am just telling what I hear from credible sources. Maybe its all wrong, and maybe you are right and everything is great. If I was saying what you want to hear, you would be lauding me for the good news.
Ok, insider, what changes have been made, and why has it taken several years of not up to expectations wrestling to institute them?
So The Moore family can know that the guy who just moved back to the area 3 months ago, says he is a family friend, and was likely talking to them at the nationals van last year (when schwab came up) is now bad mouthing their kid online.
I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread. Is Schwab friends with the bus driver? And if so, did they just meet or are they old buddies? And how do Zadick and St. John feel about Schwab's friend?
I have been to practices too and have spoken with the Brands. I find them to be great guys. I am only saying what I have heard and yes, it is my perception based on these stories that they may go overboard. I don't think I have alluded to anything that happened in practice. regardless, I really feel like my defense of my posts makes me look harder on them than I really mean to be. I want them to be coaches going forwards. I am not a super insider and only guess flaws based on what I hear and see. Its not easy being a coach of a team that the fan base and yourself expects to win all the time. I do think they have made some good changes and are improving in areas of prior weakness. They have unparalleled drive and I support them, but don't try to deny that we don't need to evolve, change, or improve on stuff and don't deny that mistakes probably were made.
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