Why supposedly are Zadick, St. John upset w/ Iowa?
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That Veronica Vaughn is one piece of ace.
Yes the Brands are very different than most college wrestling coaches.....they have won a National Title and are coaching at the most prestigious and demanding wrestling colleges. As a coach (granted a different sport-football) i am well aware there are always going to be haters. Heck, you would be surprised at how the hate increases (even with in the program) as your success increases. Long story short it is clear you are very biased and what isn't clear is what your claim of "defending" the Brands.
Nick Moore had significant injuries. I won't address any more guesses. All they do is steal away from the point that some people have axes to grind.
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I nominate VallHoll! He's very good with this kind of stuff and always looking for "extra credit" (likes) things he can do around the board.
As some have mentioned on here, St.J strongly dislikes Brands. He mentioned being Brands first 4x AA and was very upset he didn't get offered a position to stick around IC and Morningstar did. StJ is not shy about it, at all. I don't know about Zadick.
A few of us already tried to tell what we knew as far as we knew it. It didn't go over so well.
So it seems he started not liking Brands after Brands did his job and hired who he thought was best? Since I am guessing he must have liked him before if he wanted to coach under him.
Why don't you do St John a favor and keep this crap to yourself. It makes you, Brands, St John and Iowa wrestling look bad when this type of thing happens at every university, in every sport and in every profession. Forum posters on here just want to stroke their egos by acting like they know something someone else doesn't.
Good grief.
If these forums were around during Gable's time there would have been just as many guys upset in this manor with Gable. You can not make everyone happy and if you do you are generally doing something wrong.
And he disliked him so much he came back to Iowa City to train with the Hawkeye Wrestling Club last year? How odd.
Ok I don't know the brands, st. john, zadick, schwab, or the bus driver, however I stayed at a holiday inn express last weekend and have seen college wrestling matches, am I qualified to be able to give an opinion on who likes who?
Yeah, I see that now. I understand being loyal to Brands and the program. I don't think discussing StJ's dislike for brands is disloyal to either. It is a relevant and interesting topic for discussion, which is what message boards are for.
I always felt the relationship between the Brands & Schwabs turned after this blog post by Mark. I also believe the series ended shortly thereafter? It just seemed like such an unnecessary thing to write at the time.
"I respect the efforts and time that Tom Brands invests in Iowa Wrestling. Even if you hate the guy, you have to give credit and respect his off the charts investment. Personally I don't care for him and don't put him on any pedestal, but I highly revere his life-long commitment to striving for his dreams and helping athletes strive for theirs."
http://www.unipanthers.com/news/2013/9/15/205237331.aspx
"I respect the efforts and time that Tom Brands invests in Iowa Wrestling. Even if you hate the guy, you have to give credit and respect his off the charts investment. Personally I don't care for him and don't put him on any pedestal, but I highly revere his life-long commitment to striving for his dreams and helping athletes strive for theirs."
http://www.unipanthers.com/news/2013/9/15/205237331.aspx
Its exactly what message boards are for. You will never see me get upset for someone posting what they have heard no matter how much I may not like it. That's why I come here. If I want smoke blown up my rear end I would just read the journalist who cover Iowa's article and are to afraid to ever ask Brands a tough question.
I've never seen a coach in any sport that reporters are so afraid to be on the other end of the wrath of Brands on a tough question. Maybe its just wrestling and the elite coaches? I remember Cael giving CP a smug ahole answer on a lineup projection last year.
I think that's why CP ranked JG preseason #1, to get back in Carl's good graces.
What position do you think Brands should have given him? M*? Terry? Berhow? He would have had to fire someone. Morning* was already on staff before DSJ got done and he left for Wisky before getting his spot.
Everybody is arguing that DSJ doesn't have a valid reason to have hurt feelings. But hurt feelings aren't subject to logic.
Brands is a highly-emotional guy and a somewhat polarizing figure. It seems inevitable that some of his former wrestlers won't like him -- openly or secretly.
Let's say that Hathaway's dad is ihawk's source and he is not happy with the brands.
Another of the ICW wrestlers (Grant, Dylan, Nick, or Nate?) enjoyed booze and Mt. Dew and their parents aren't happy with the Brands.
St. John, another ICW grad wasn't happy with Brands.
Now Nelson Brands is doing pretty well at ICW so does that mean that if this trend continues soon Terry won't be happy with Tom.
Another of the ICW wrestlers (Grant, Dylan, Nick, or Nate?) enjoyed booze and Mt. Dew and their parents aren't happy with the Brands.
St. John, another ICW grad wasn't happy with Brands.
Now Nelson Brands is doing pretty well at ICW so does that mean that if this trend continues soon Terry won't be happy with Tom.
After hearing how those 2 were growing up Terry might already not like Tom.
Wait a minute. I thought I made up stuff and didn't know crap. Now I am right about Brands/Schwab? But I thought Schwab said hi to the van driver?
Hold on there trigger...this blog was from 2011. Funny how things changed drastically in a year. This was right after Schwab got hired:
Schwab on Brands:
“I was like, ‘I’m not going to waste my time, I know what I want to do,’” Schwab said. “I believed in what Tom was doing. I believed in what he was going to build and I knew what I was going to get from him on a daily basis whether it was building me as a coach, building me as a person or building me as an athlete.
“I knew what I was going to get with him. A lot of places you don’t know, but that was never a question in my mind. I really felt like it was the best place, the best fit for me. It worked out pretty good for me.”
From where he sits now at 33, Schwab is a husband and a father of two, an Olympian and a rookie head coach at Northern Iowa. He can trace a lot of those titles back to his decision to follow Brands to Virginia Tech and back again to Iowa.
“I had a great mentor,” Schwab said. “I was with him for six years. I think I did everything he asked me to the best of my ability and I think he knew where my heart was at and how much I cared about the guys and how much I was willing to put out for the team. I think that’s probably why he kept me around and wanted me.
“I learned a lot of valuable lessons from him about how to coach and how to try to get a team to excel, to get individuals to excel and get the most out of their potential and how to do it the right way and not compromising your standards for anything.”
Brands on Schwab:
“He’s motivated to be a head coach and he’s motivated to be a good head coach,” Brands said. “We saw that right away when he came to Virginia Tech. He’s definitely passionate about the sport of wrestling. … He’s motivated, and if you’re motivated and you work hard and you’re smart, things will happen. He’s got all of those qualities.”
Those were qualities that made Schwab a state high school champion at Osage, an NCAA champion with the Hawkeyes and positioned him to represent the U.S. twice at the highest level of international competition. They were qualities that led Brands to target him for an assistant position at Virginia Tech in 2004 and keep him on his staff two years later when he became the head coach at Iowa.
“When I went to Virginia Tech, I knew that’s who I wanted to hire,” Brands said. “I left him a 45-minute message on the phone.”
This was after Schwab got the job...sure sounds like sore feelings to me. Oh, btw, Brands is Godfather to Schwab's kid...that's how much he doesn't care for Brands as a person. Both are intense competitors and vie for some of the same recruits. Schwab is trying to build his own thing in Cedar Falls. How would it look like to everyone if Brands is Big Daddy? Why go wrestle for "Brands lite" when you can get the real think in IC? Don't you think maybe that's why Schwab has distanced himself from Brands? Oh well...some have to see drama in every little thing.
Hold on. Are you using public quotes from many years ago right when Schwab left trying to disprove me? Or at the end of your post are you admitting I am right, but blaming Schwab? Your blind defense of Brands is all over the place. All it is going to take for me to say I am wrong is for an insider to tell me I am wrong and that Brands and Schwab talk on a regular basis and like each other and are on good terms. No one has done that yet. Until they do, I am going to believe my sources. So if I am right on that and all the people attacking me are wrong, don't you think it's possible the other things I say have legitimacy? Of course you don't, because they don't fit what you want to believe. I will defend Brands again to hopefully give you a peace offering. If Brands can combine his old school focused drive and passion with treating kids and colleagues in a 21st century way, he will be able to recruit. and coach these kids to championships.
With friends like cradleking, ihawk, and hawknut, DSJ doesn't need enemies.
Wayment...Atkins 23's quote is from 2011 yet it was ok to support your inside info. I don't know about you but I wouldn't ask a guy to be Godfather to my kid if I didn't like him.
what I don't understand is why it is so important to you to convince everybody that doug and tom aren't getting along, even if you are right you are coming off like a dumba$$ to me and I don't care oneway or the other if they are friends at all.
Funny -- I'll never forget that statement he made. I'm sure many other Hawk fans remember it well, also. Some things are better left unsaid in public. This would fall into that category, IMO. Just not a wise thing to be sharing that kind of information with the world.
We all remember what our moms said about what to say if we didn't have anything good to say about someone else. . . . Granted, he said some positive things here, but his obviously negative opinion of Tom, on a personal level, was better kept to himself, IMO.
It's only important to me because I get called all kinds of names by guys who really have no idea. I'd think anybody would want to be right in that situation. I just love how the dialog has changed from "hawknut made this up," to "hawknut may be right, but why does he care." I have been so clear on things I've heard from good sources, that I believe to be true. It's possible they are not, but I'm not making stuff up. It's pretty sad that if I said stuff that was favorable to Brands, people would believe me. But, instead, I get attacked. It's riduculous that nothing can be said against Brands without being attacked.
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The fact that you have "nut" in your name puts you behind the 8 ball to begin with. We all prejudge you before reading your posts. ✨
You realize both are intense competitors who have to go at each other for the same recruits and I think we all know you're trying to drive the narrative that Brands is an asshole.
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