All that NBA talent and zero wins in the big dance.
Tremendous growth that is.
Wigginton....He Gone
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All that NBA talent and zero wins in the big dance.
Tremendous growth that is.
Hah, comparing ISU to Duke.
As an Iowa fan, I hope Prohm is in Ames for a long long time.
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Not sure why he would be there, but you can have any hope and dream you wish
Lol,
No
It wasn’t. The Big12’s tourney performance was worse than it should’ve been based on seeding.
B1G was the best based on seeding. Yet again.
Okay? I didn’t say it was better than the big 10’s performance. I said it has been good and it has.
How do you figure? Unless I missed something, Big 12 won 5 games against seeds better than them and lost 3 games to seeds worse than them.
#9 BU beat #8 Cuse
#3 Tech beat #2 Michigan
#3 Tech beat #1 Zags
#3 Tech beat #2 MSU
#9 OU beat #8 Ole Miss
#4 KSU lost to #13 UC Irvine
#4 KU lost to #5 Auburn
#6 ISU lost to #11 OSU
I mean Big Ten was better than Big 12 which is why they earned better seeds, but Big Ten did the same 5-3 I believe. Does that mean Big Ten tourney performance was also worse than it should've been?
#10 Minn beat #7 Louisville
#2 MSU beat #1 Duke
#11 OSU beat #6 ISU
#10 Iowa beat #7 Cincy
#3 Purdue beat #2 Tenn
#2 MSU lost to #3 Tech
#2 Mich lost to #3 Tech
#5 Wisc lost to #12 Oregon
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It isn’t that hard to figure out. I’m too lazy to explain it to you.
Just add up conference record based on how they should have finished based on seeding.
Ugh, I shouldn’t have had to type that out for you.
Lmfao! Prohm looks to get knocked out everytime he loses by 14 or more at Carver!Again, cutting on Prohm when you have Fran is crazy. Give him 5 more years and then judge their first 9 years is comparatively. Crap, oh wait. We hope Fran stays forever tooProhm has already done more!!!!!LMAO
Ref was about to drop his sorry a**!
Ok, I added it up. If I did it correctly, neither of your statements of Big 12 performing worse than seed or Big Ten performing best relative to seed are true.
I wasn't comparing Duke and Iowa State's basketball teams or programs. My remark was an analogy that sometimes things happen. That's all. As far as you hoping for a long Prohm stay, I'm in agreement with you, so long as he's successful.
I don’t think you’re smart enough to figure it out or to add it up.
It isn’t that hard really. And yes, B1G was the best yet again.
Big12 was toward the bottom, yet again.
And I still think you are lying and hoping no one would call you on it. But like I said, I could be wrong, but if I was it seems like you would already have shown your work on this
Honestly, can you ISU guys not admit that Prohm's success those first two years were because of Hoiberg's guys. Is it really that hard to be honest and realistic? I don't remember the last time another coach walked into as great of a situation as the one that Prohm walked into.
Even the student newspaper is taking shots at Prohm and his roster management this season. LOL!
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sport...cle_f546309c-5a3e-11e9-93ac-3bd7dd72b9bd.html
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sport...cle_f546309c-5a3e-11e9-93ac-3bd7dd72b9bd.html
He walked into a team that lost in the first round. According to you guys, that means it's a shitty season.
He had a great roster left to him by Hoiberg. He did well with it and I'm happy with his performance. I think he did great this year too, minus a poor game in the tournament which happens. I'm not sure why this is relevant actually.
Terrible spin, just say NO next time. All year long, you guys boasted about how much talent you guys had, blah blah blah. Now 2 guys leave early for the NBA, and you don't want to hear that your coach under-performed. Just weird all around.
Did he do great or was it disappointing? Talking out of both sides of your mouth here.
https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/th...labama-speculation.247073/page-8#post-6599004
"This was a very disappointing game in what will ultimately be a season that feels disappointing. We could do worse than Prohm and the the guy that will make the hire HAS done way worse than Prohm. Still want him as our coach.
How about we save the raise though."
Pretty sure I have said multiple times in this thread that ISU did not achieve it's full potential this year. I have also said that I am happy ISU going 23-12, being a 6 seed, winnibg a Big 12 tourney and finishing with arguably it's strongest season in the last 10 by computer metrics is considered underachieving. I remember the McDermott years well.
I don't think this team maximized its potential. However that's probably 90% of all teams. I think there was a lot of talent that didn't totally mesh. It happens. It was still a season that before the season I said if they just make the tourney it is a success. They got my hopes up in January, but ultimately they met my goal. I'm backing off some of the stuff I said earlier when I was pissed about how the tourney went.
Well its exactly what you are doing.
Says its a disappointing end to a disappointing season on CF and then runs here a few weeks later saying Prohm did a great job this past season.
But hey, no worries. Steve is a good guy and has repeatedly apologized to Wigginton for not getting him back in the starting lineup so its all good. Right?
You’re right about you being wrong.
I’m fascinated that you can’t figure this out!
He did walk into a great situation almost similar to Dr Tom in the 80s. First 2 years were great then gradual decline with success but no where near the first 2 years with previous coaches players. Another coach was Gard at Wisconsin with 4 junior starters and Happ. Now that Happ is gone real curious to see how next few years go in Madison.
As a former sports editor of the Daily, I would suggest readers approach opinion pieces there with some caution.....as is the case with any newspaper. Having said that, I think a lot of this makes a lot of sense.
Although the stats support the Daily article premise that Wigginton should have played more, I am not sure he proved cause and effect. In some of those losses, Prohm was wearing the same red tie. Statistics also support my theory that Prohm’s ties screwed their pooch, not Wigginton.
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If you look at CF, I've walked it back there too many, many times.
If you are the type of person that only sticks to opinions you have when they are influenced by emotion and recency bias, I think you're a fool.
My view on this (and I'm way too late to generate any serious conversation, as this thread is already in full pissing match)
I have said it before, but ISU has embraced transfers and for the most part it is working for them. This year may have been a year where it kind of backfired at times, but overall hard to make fun of ISU's season. It was as good as most Iowa has had in the last 20 years...
I have said it before, but Hoiberg is the real reason for ISU's run. He had a good system in place for attracting talent and letting them play in a fun style. I realize that most Cyclone fans can't come out and say it, but I really do believe if given the choice with no consequences or cost, they'd drop Prohm in an instant and replace him with Hoiberg.
While I'd certainly think next year is a down year for ISU basketball, you just never know. They have some talent on the roster (not enough, but some exists) and if they score a major transfer who ends up being all B12, just watch them do it all again next year.
I have said it before, but ISU has embraced transfers and for the most part it is working for them. This year may have been a year where it kind of backfired at times, but overall hard to make fun of ISU's season. It was as good as most Iowa has had in the last 20 years...
I have said it before, but Hoiberg is the real reason for ISU's run. He had a good system in place for attracting talent and letting them play in a fun style. I realize that most Cyclone fans can't come out and say it, but I really do believe if given the choice with no consequences or cost, they'd drop Prohm in an instant and replace him with Hoiberg.
While I'd certainly think next year is a down year for ISU basketball, you just never know. They have some talent on the roster (not enough, but some exists) and if they score a major transfer who ends up being all B12, just watch them do it all again next year.
Until Prohm lands an impact grad transfer I am not even going to consider it being a possibility. He just hasnt done it.
The Big Ten was favored seed wise to win 10 games. They won 13. +3 vs expected.
Pac 12 was favored in none and a toss up in 1. So expected to win 0.5 games (ASU First Four game vs equal seed) and won 4 so that is a +3.5. There for Pac 12 was best league vs seed not Big Ten.
Big 12 was expected to win 8 and won 8 therefor did not finish worse than projected as you stated. And I presume that since the ACC had two 1 seeds lose in Elite Eight to lower seeds and a 7 and an 8 seed lose and not one win against a higher seeded team that they had a worse tournament relative to seed than the Big 12 who you said was the worst.
So what am I doing wrong?
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Until now he has been trying to find impact bigs which is nearly impossible on the grad market. This year he is shopping for wings which are much more readily available. Not saying he will succeed but the odds are far more In his favor, especially as the number of grad transfers available explodes
I'll be very curious to see how he does at Neb. I don't think that you can just run it back the same way he did. DeAndre Kane, who was a huge piece, was down to only ISU and Pitt after transferring. That guy would have offers from everybody now. He also doesn't have TJ anymore who was responsible for a lot of the high school guys they got. He seems intent on that he's just going to go by the same playbook but that's just not going work in 2019 IMO.
He was used as a point forward yes. He has little to no ability to shoot the three so he was utilized as an undersized 4.
The only time he was used as a wing was when ISU ran out of players last year due to injuries.
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