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Jacobson led the Big Ten in offensive rebounding while at Nebraska. And when he faced Iowa and Illinois, Jacobson had 12 points and 23 points this year. Garza, by contrast, has scored 6 points in his career against ISU. Touting the vaunted Big Ten frontcourts seems strange given Jacobson has proven he can score and rebound against them.
How do you figure? Both were all conference honorable mentions. Garza destroyed Wesson in their first game. Wesson got the better of the second one.
In the 1st matchup Garza scored 16 to Wesson's 2.
Wow! With those numbers, how did isu manage to get blown out by Iowa?
Because the guys that left Iowa early that many here say will be no loss carried the Hawks. Only the legit stars remain.
Jacobson averaged 5 and 6 ppg in conference play his freshman and sophomore years.
Garza averaged 12 and 13 ppg.
It's really not comparable.
Speaking of obsession, which board are you on again?
Which would be relevant if they were both would be juniors right now. They are not. Jacobson had every bit as good of a season this year as Garza. Jacobson had better field goal percentages, rebounded more and had a better defensive efficiency. I never claimed a sophomore Jacobson was better than a sophomore Garza, just laughing that the thought that Jacobson is no where close to Garza's level today.
The Big 12 doesn't compare in front court strength.
Most of the good centers were out for the Big 12. Azubuike, Konante and Clark all missed most of the conference season.
By comparison Garza went up against Fernando, Happ, Ward, Wesson, Teske, Haarms, Morgan, Omoruyi, Oturu and Pardon.
Apples and Oranges.
When Garza got to play 4 guard lineups like Cincinnati, he went off for 20.
And he has gone up against the supposedly inferior ISU frontcourt twice now and scored 6 total points. He is a very good player. I am not saying he is not. But so is Jacobson and it is comical watching you try to say otherwise.
ESPN 4 Star Freshman Luke Anderson
ESPN 4 Star and former consensus 5 Star Freshman Marcedus Leech
Rivals Top 150 Freshman Caleb Grill
Projected 1st Round NBA Pick Tyrese Haliburton
247 Top 125 Sophomore Zion Griffin
247 Top 120 JR Terrence Lewis
Plus Prentiss Nixon, Solomon Young, Mike Jacobson, George Conditt, Tre Jackson, and potentially Rasir Bolton.
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Wieskamp and Garza are so going to dominate isu this year. The only thing that might stop them are the Hilton refs....cough, cough, I mean magic.
I want to go with the category - ‘all cyclone b-ball players that will not be on any of the 2019-2020 all big 12 preseason teams’...for $100 Alex.
Lmfao ESPN gives out 4 stars like candy.
Toussaint and Patrick are both ESPN 4 stars.
Pat is rated higher than everyone in ISUs class.
Terrence Lewis needs to have the right basket pointed out to him to know which way to shoot.
What has Zion Griffin done?
You might be right and I am certainly not predicting an ISU win in Hilton. Weiskamp is a stud and I have said as much here before. He was the sole reason Iowa made the NCAA tournament last year. I am just curious to see if Iowa has enough perimeter shooting outside of him to stretch the defense and get Garza room to work inside. I am really hoping Bohannon is back because I think that will help Iowa's big men out immensely.
You're willing to wager $100 that Haliburton is not on any of the All Big 12 preseason lists? Cause I might want in on that action
I agree. A healthy Bohannon would be huge. I am also afraid this is probably Wieskamp’s last year.
A lot of people are going to shocked by how good CJ Fredrick is. I got to see some of him early on and I would say he is already more well rounded than Moss.
Nunge looked terrific too. I see him as the 2nd to 3rd best scorer on the team.
You actually might be right, I forgot I was talking about the big 12....Haliburton just might make pre-season second or third team. The big 12 is going to be really down this year. I will also be very interested to see how Haliburton gets his shot off when he is the focal point of the offense. Unless he can change his shot (which is unlikely) - his release point is too low to get off (successfully) under heavy pressure.
You talk about recruiting rankings in one post and then brag about how unranked Nunge and Fredrick are such studs in the next. If they are that big of studs they wouldn't have redshirted. Period. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
247 ranks college sophomores and juniors now? Also didn't realize someone ranked 306th by 247 could be considered a consensus 5 star recruit.
I've watched a lot of their play. I've seen Fredrick go against Moss.
What was Baer ranked? How has Lewis' recruiting ranking held up by comparison.
Unranked Nunge?
247 rankings
3 star
202nd best player in his class
.879 ranking
He basically has the same 247 composite ranking as your hero Luke Anderson.
Lewis has been stuck behind elite players. Wigginton and THT were fringe 5 star recruits. Shayok was first team All Big 12. Donovan Jackson was a four star JUCO. He is expected to make a major leap this year. Thatd the difference between Iowa and ISU. Hawks land a legit 4 star hes a guaranteed 4 year starter.
Lewis has looked completely lost for a good chunk of time he has seen the court his first two seasons. And if a 4 star couldn't see time on the 2017-2018 edition of ISU basketball then I wouldn't hold out much hope for him taking a major leap.
I am curious, why did Fran redshirt two players you seem to feel would have started this year? Seems like a very odd move.
Also posted on the "ISU reloaded" thread:
Based off the following players freshman season stats who would ISU fans rather have?
Bolton:
11.6. PPG
2.0 RPG
1.5 APG
2.6 TO/G
38.3% FG
36.1% 3FG
87.6% FT%
98.1 ORtg1
106.9 DRtg
11.8 PER
47.1% eFG
24.9% USG
.070 WS/40
Player B:
10.9 PPG
2.2 RPG
5.1 APG
2.2 TO/G
38.8% FG
41.6% 3FG
85.5% FT%
112.2 ORtg1
110.3 DRtg
14.9 PER
53.5% eFG
19.1% USG
.105 WS/40
Based off the following players freshman season stats who would ISU fans rather have?
Bolton:
11.6. PPG
2.0 RPG
1.5 APG
2.6 TO/G
38.3% FG
36.1% 3FG
87.6% FT%
98.1 ORtg1
106.9 DRtg
11.8 PER
47.1% eFG
24.9% USG
.070 WS/40
Player B:
10.9 PPG
2.2 RPG
5.1 APG
2.2 TO/G
38.8% FG
41.6% 3FG
85.5% FT%
112.2 ORtg1
110.3 DRtg
14.9 PER
53.5% eFG
19.1% USG
.105 WS/40
I like how you clown fans attempt to troll a Hawkeye forum about some supposed talent disparity when you've lost two of the last three to this group with both being blowouts.
I guess those walkons like Baer dropping 14 on your "5 stars" will have to do.
Nunge asked to RS to get stronger and the plan was to RS Fredrick when he was recruited and he injured, may have broke, ribs early on in practice.
That’s OK. I never said Iowa was going to be a great team, but I somehow feel good playing that clone lineup at Hilton.
Nunge actually started over Garza to start their freshman seasons. He scored 16 against ISU as a true freshman.
He played more minutes as a freshman than Kriener and we all saw how vastly improved Kriener was this year.
Nunge as a true freshman averaged more ppg than Jacobsen did his first year at Nebraska.
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How do you know that Fran isn’t content with what he has in the team with incoming Freshman and 3 redshirts he saw play on practice for a full year? If he feels they are better then reaching for a JUCO or Grad Transfer that might not produce or be as good as what he has, why should he waste a scholarship on them? How is that failing? What’s priceless is you and your gang of yokels continually coming to an Iowa board in basketball and football grubbing for respect.
Bolton is a decent player but why is adding him different then Iowa bringing back two guys that were rotational players in previous year off redshirt, including one who was a difference maker against the Cyclones on one leg?
Sounds like you will be predicting an overwhelming Cyclone victory next year then.
