Will I-State be left out?
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I think any teams from small population states like Iowa could be left out of the upper division or programs in larger population areas that lack tradition or interest within a group of teams in the same state/area.
The big mistake we might be making as a state is not having the people in place that have a vision of the future. With a state of limited size and resources to have 2 power 5 schools is really a losing proposition long term. It will doom both institutions in future reorganization and consolidation.
The board of regents should see the hand-writing on the wall and put a plan in place to merge both Iowa & ISU into 1 institution within 5 years even if it has to be branded under a new identity and mascot. Surrounding states of similar ilk like Minnesota, Nebraska & Wisconsin have 1 major school and a feeder program of smaller universities or satellite campuses. The state of Iowa should have the same thing.
This plan would dramatically raise the new school's profile nationally by combining resources into a single institution (with multiple campuses) that all Iowans could rally around. The overall competitiveness in academics, research and athletics of such an institution would be far greater than the split it is now. The viewership we do have would be consolidated under one roof making us a much more attractive during future consolidation. Overnight It would become a school with an enrollment of 65k and probably have a 100k football and 20-25k basketball stadium. It would boast medicine, engineering, law and agriculture among other disciplines.
This is the only viable option if we as a state want to be part of the big boys table in the future. Otherwise I see both institutions losing if we continue this current configuration. Unfortunately we are stuck with this outdated 'what is good for the state of Iowa' thinking that robs us nationally. When both institutions get kicked to the curb in the future then it will be too late.
The big mistake we might be making as a state is not having the people in place that have a vision of the future. With a state of limited size and resources to have 2 power 5 schools is really a losing proposition long term. It will doom both institutions in future reorganization and consolidation.
The board of regents should see the hand-writing on the wall and put a plan in place to merge both Iowa & ISU into 1 institution within 5 years even if it has to be branded under a new identity and mascot. Surrounding states of similar ilk like Minnesota, Nebraska & Wisconsin have 1 major school and a feeder program of smaller universities or satellite campuses. The state of Iowa should have the same thing.
This plan would dramatically raise the new school's profile nationally by combining resources into a single institution (with multiple campuses) that all Iowans could rally around. The overall competitiveness in academics, research and athletics of such an institution would be far greater than the split it is now. The viewership we do have would be consolidated under one roof making us a much more attractive during future consolidation. Overnight It would become a school with an enrollment of 65k and probably have a 100k football and 20-25k basketball stadium. It would boast medicine, engineering, law and agriculture among other disciplines.
This is the only viable option if we as a state want to be part of the big boys table in the future. Otherwise I see both institutions losing if we continue this current configuration. Unfortunately we are stuck with this outdated 'what is good for the state of Iowa' thinking that robs us nationally. When both institutions get kicked to the curb in the future then it will be too late.
isu is ready for some MACtion. Why else would they go get a coach from Toledo?
I don't know nor care about ISU football and as a general rule I'm more of an old school guy but.... Count me in the camp that thinks they've already screwed things up so badly they just as well go all the way. I've always said although Iowa might be a tier below the elite of the elite they draw money and resources like the big boys. They have consistently been in the top 15 to 20 nationally in athletic department clout & monies earned over the last few years at least according to Forbes & others who gauge such things. Point being Iowa would have a place at the table in that new future.
The register just had an article (written by Randy the tool Peterson) claiming that the big 12 is talking about expanding. Does anyone think that is possible?
why does any Power 5 team go after MAC Team coaches Minnesota got Kill and he did pretty good till health issues stopped him,
coaches when they get their 1st HC gigs start out in the MAC or other conference on the same level to prove they can do the job at a Higher level. I just checked the team ranking of Rival as ESPN does not have theirs out yet. and ISU has just 4 commits and their class is rated 41st and have a rating of 3.0 on a 1-5 rating,
the new ISU coach has ties to Ohio and Florida, for one of his last recruits after he was hired he managed to flip OL 4* Olsen from Minnesota the OL that many on here were wanting KF to offer. like KF he knows to be competive it all starts up front and at 6'8 OT that's a good place to start be it LT or RT.
also these are the instate players he has to date;
OL Newell from Ames
QB Moore from Waterloo West
LB 5.7 3* Vance from Cedar Rapids
the lone out of state is WR Johnson from Arkansas.
this new coach looks to be the opposite of Rhoads.
as to why I follow the clowns is because my Granddaughter is a huge Cyclone fans so I keep her up to date on HER team as she says,
gotta keep the grand kids happy, trying to teach her little brother who is 19 months old not to follow in her footsteps and stay on the light side of the force and be a Hawkeye fan.
Possible but the more likely scenario is they get absorbed into Pac, B1G and SEC long term. I've always been convinced Texas is a B1G school stuck in the South, but anyone who has been to Texas and the "South"east multiply times know they aren't one in the same.
Olsen is as soft as Mama June's neck. Your obsession for star rankings is annoying.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, but they'll likely have to do it by making an investment in growing the profiles of some G5 schools. The American is the obvious place to look. SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, and Cinci seem like the obvious candidates to me based on geography and athletic success. Maybe they want to expand to Florida with USF or UCF (both schools are HUGE in terms of enrollment).
If our state universities existed solely for the sake of big-time athletics, "consolidation" might make sense. But they don't, thank goodness! Anyway, the horse is out of the barn so far as having one main state university with satellite campuses, a la the University of Wisconsin system. As it is, each of the three state universities has its own unique mission, and this has historically served the state and its people very well. This should be a point of pride, in fact, and a pathway to a better future. Why should any of us support efforts to kick our state universities to the curb by insisting on a "one size fits all" approach to higher education, as it it were akin to manufacturing assembly line widgits? Because we lack the will of previous generations to support higher education and research as essential components of a civilized society? Be careful what you wish for! Anyway, the very idea of dumping these three very different universities into one corporate pot, with no respect for their differences in mission, culture and history, would be disastrous from an academic standpoint, even if it led to a single athletic program. Speaking only of sports: Where would the football stadium be located, and what would happen to the existing stadiums? Same question about BB facilities? Who would decide, and on what basis? If entirely new sports facilities were to be built, how would they be financed, and where would they be located? Who would be hired, who would be fired, and on what basis?
1. Where do you propose the new consolidated University should be located?
2. What do we do with the land, buildings, etc in Ames and/or Iowa City after the new University is created?
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I've never been a big *star* guy. I do believe they try to do as good a job as possible. There are just too many outliers and variables to look at. With that said I always find it quite telling when a four-star O-linemen from the Midwest goes without a scholarship offer from the likes of an Iowa or Wisconsin?
I've never been a big *star* guy. I do believe they try to do as good a job as possible. There are just too many outliers and variables to look at. With that said I always find it quite telling when a four-star O-linemen from the Midwest goes without a scholarship offer from the likes of an Iowa or Wisconsin?
I read the article, and it is definitely short sighted. Living in Chicago, I will use it as an example. This is a PRO town, and even though Northwestern is located here, and Illinois is the state university, the only college team that has any drawing power here is Notre Dame, and even that is waning.
Even though Iowa isn't part of the Chicago market, i would wager that there are more Iowa alum living in this area than there are Northwestern alum. What I am getting at is that looking at the television market where a school is located isn't the answer. What is important is where are the alum located and how passionate about their team are they. Just look at the University of Colorado. Big market. Bad teams. Not much of a following.
To Gilligan regarding his ISU post... They didn't get the Minnesota commit to flip. They recruited him after he decommitted. I wouldn't call that flipping him. And regarding Vance from CR... he may qualify, but he's a big academic risk at this point. I would imagine many, many schools steered away from him because of the uncertainty. And IF he qualifies, ISU may be an after thought. He likely took the first P5 offer knowing it's better to have an option.
is that why so many on this site were so hot and bothered when KF didn't offer him?
what I find funny is how much hate there is for ISU, you people go to extremes as trying to trash their instate recruits, remember these are IA kids, why this is allowed is beyond me.
the out right hatred is mind boggling. they are not even the same conferance
the out right hatred is mind boggling. they are not even the same conferance
Not good at links... but the Vance academic issues are public and the "flip" argument you made doesn't jive with the timeline of events.
I don't know if you're an Iowa fan or an Iowa State fan but I'm gonna tell you the Iowa State fans are amazing in their belligerence and out and out hostility towards Iowa. I know this because quite frankly the negativity from Iowa fans actually irritates me quite a bit more than it does from Iowa State fans so from time to time I do read their stuff and believe me they don't give Iowa credit for anything.
About every five years we get this exuberance about the football program in Ames when a new coach arrives. We saw it with Chiz, with SoProud, and now with the Toledo coach. In 2020 we'll likely be reading about something similar to what we are witnessing now.
I guess if the AD can generate some talk about the school's gridiron team, that's a plus... for a little while, anyway.
I guess if the AD can generate some talk about the school's gridiron team, that's a plus... for a little while, anyway.
Hawkeye fan who has a Grand daughter who is a Cyclone fan, also have cousins that graduated from ISU, anything from Vet to Engineering. me I like to see ISU get better so that the IA vs ISU series means something as IA has no choice in playing them every year. besides if they do get better it would mean that teams like TX and OK looking up at ISU which is nice looking prospect, ISU is a Power 5 School and is in a Power 5 conference.
my family is pretty much split 50/50, my Aunts and Uncles have a strict rule about NO DISCUSSING of the IA vs ISU series be it FB or BB at the Family reunion, saves a lot of shall we call them HEATED DISCUSSION. it is what it is to me ISU is not the team that IA really has to prepare for that is for BT schools.
someof you waste to much time worring about a nonconference team
Foster isn't that good, it's as simple as that. He visited the two best schools at producing OL in the midwest multiple times and never sniffed an offer. Even when we were scrambling for an OT at the end of the last cycle, an offer to Foster was never going to happen.
I don't care where a kid is from, I'm going to root against him if he's playing for a rival. I don't understand why where they're from would matter at all.
I don't care where a kid is from, I'm going to root against him if he's playing for a rival. I don't understand why where they're from would matter at all.
Pollard likely is just waiting for Alvarez to retire and I suspect he will actively pursue the job when the time comes.
Two things.
1. Why you are allowed on this board is beyond me.
2. Your outright hatred for CJB is mind boggling. Don't you know he plays for Iowa?
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Not me, quite frankly I love Iowa Sts basketball program and have for years and I support UNI pretty heavily as a fan too. In fact I was livid about that NCAA tourney loss to A&M! :-( But here's what you don't know about me. Sports, Iowa included, wear me out. So much so that I rarely watch Iowa play live anymore because I can't stand the emotional roller coaster. I alsohaven't been on this message board or any Iowa message board in two or three years maybe longer.
But I did read wide right natty light for most of the basketball season and I'm telling you Iowa State fans are very angry and hateful of Iowa fans as a general rule much more so than the average Iowa fan is to them.
Lots of them take it way too seriously and because iowa state hasn't had the tradition that Iowa has their pretty bitter and quick to discredit Iowa for being in the "lowly Big Ten"
Not me, quite frankly I love Iowa Sts basketball program and have for years and I support UNI pretty heavily as a fan too. In fact I was livid about that NCAA tourney loss to A&M! :-( But here's what you don't know about me. Sports, Iowa included, wear me out. So much so that I rarely watch Iowa play live anymore because I can't stand the emotional roller coaster. I alsohaven't been on this message board or any Iowa message board in two or three years maybe longer.
But I did read wide right natty light for most of the basketball season and I'm telling you Iowa State fans are very angry and hateful of Iowa fans as a general rule much more so than the average Iowa fan is to them.
Lots of them take it way too seriously and because iowa state hasn't had the tradition that Iowa has their pretty bitter and quick to discredit Iowa for being in the "lowly Big Ten"
that ius why the family has the rule in place. before the rule discussions got rather heated.
another note the IA vs ISU series is actually good for a small population state, as far as exposure goes. the ISU coach is big on recruiting in Ohio and Florida, this in turn could help IA recruit in those states although it looks like IA is putting more into their efforts in recruiting TX.
I think a better, even more likely outcome, is for Iowa to stay in the power conference and ISCC to go down to the MAC.
There's not one recruit in Ohio or Florida that gives a single fuq about Iowa State.
I understand, but that also answers your question why so many here quickly discredit Iowa St. But back on point the truth is that anyone who followed recruiting over the years has to wonder why an uncommitted 4* linemen from Illinois went without offers from 2 of the preemptive O-line factories in the Midwest, no?
Actually and more to the Truth that seems to historically untrue. There have been some. In Florida at least, you may actually be right as it pertains to Ohio as I don't remember one in recent years.
The Iowa-Iowa State game is fun for fans but is a fart or less on the college football landscape. Nine Big Ten games, three others, mandatory seven home games for the athletic department. If we want to play ISU every year that's fine. But we won't play many teams from other power five conferences either. It's ISU or bust.
I suspect The Toledo guy had a lot of success getting those mid level Ohio kids that didn't get the tOSU and Michigan offers. Likely had some connections to the high school coaches. But getting those kids to ISU is going to be a bigger challenge. Friends and family will be driving 15 hours rather than 2-3 hours to see those same kids play.
Toledo guy has momentum and excitement that comes from hiring a new guy. In the end... if he only wins 3-5 games a year and never sniffs a bowl, he'll be gone within five years.
"Toledo guy" is mad about the NCAA ruling about camps, according to "Pete the tool."
Honestly shouldn't he be? I guess I don't care per se but truly it is bad for the growth of the game from what I can see. It really is bad for the kids and it obviously was bad for the ACC, SEC, PAC 12 and Southern Big 12 teams. From an Iowa fan perspective I can see why you'd want to keep the little guy "Iowa State" down. But that's exactly what those other conferences want to do to midwestern schools.
And when you truly evaluate from the "game" standpoint and the players of the game it's not a good thing. I don't think it changes much for Iowa but still that doesn't make it OK
you don't know that as they just played Pitt a power 5 team, to wrap up a 4 game series. look at IA' s schedule as a rule IA plays 2 power 5 schools each year in the OOC, Missouri backed out of a 4 game home and home with IA, UConn backed out of a home and home series.
