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Y’all should be posting your concrete list of “goals” first. Too many of you are going about this backwards.

Is your goal for Iowa to overtake MSU on a yearly basis? To become Wisconsin under Bo? To simply start fresh to engage your erection?

What are the expectations you have to give you a boner, Stubby?

In my view, Iowa just making a Sweet 16 at some point is the best I can hope for from this staff.
 
Pretty simple in what I am saying:

Fran has made the Sweet 16 ZERO times in 22 previous seasons as a Head Coach. This year likely makes it 23.

In case you're wondering, in those previous 22 years, Fran's teams have made the NCAA tourney 8 times and has won 4 games (I said 3 before) in those times as he's 4-8 in NCAA tourney play.

Basically he's made the NCAA tourney 1 year in every 3 as a coach. To put in perspective, while Tom Davis was at Iowa, he had Iowa in the NCAA tourney 69% of the time (9 of 13 years).

You’re honestly comparing Fran’s entire coaching career with Dr Tom’s time at Iowa?

Since you brought up Dr Tom. He made the NCAA tournament 11 times in his 32 years as a head coach. Which, if you’re half way decent at math, you’d know that’s less than Fran’s record. Nine of those 11 were with Iowa and several were set up nicely by the coach who preceded him. Carry on.
 
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Pretty simple in what I am saying:

Fran has made the Sweet 16 ZERO times in 22 previous seasons as a Head Coach. This year likely makes it 23.

In case you're wondering, in those previous 22 years, Fran's teams have made the NCAA tourney 8 times and has won 4 games (I said 3 before) in those times as he's 4-8 in NCAA tourney play.

Basically he's made the NCAA tourney 1 year in every 3 as a coach. To put in perspective, while Tom Davis was at Iowa, he had Iowa in the NCAA tourney 69% of the time (9 of 13 years).

That’s an interesting way to look at it. I know there’s one potential Hall of Fame coach who has never made a Sweet 16 out of “18” chances. Usually the best team in the conference as well, 20+ wins most years. His teams have made the tournament 7 times without advancing past the round of 64.
 
You’re honestly comparing Fran’s entire coaching career with Dr Tom’s time at Iowa?

Since you brought up Dr Tom. He made the NCAA tournament 11 times in his 32 years as a head coach. Which, if you’re half way decent at math, you’d know that’s less than Fran’s record. Nine of those 11 were with Iowa and several were set up nicely by the coach who preceded him. Carry on.

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I’ll add to it.

Fran has been a coach of a one bid league for 14 seasons and a P5(6) for eight. He’s been to the tournament eight times.

Dr Tom was a coach in a one bid league or IND for 12 seasons and a P5(6) for 20 seasons. He’s been to the tournament 11 times. There’s some perspective for you.
 
You’re honestly comparing Fran’s entire coaching career with Dr Tom’s time at Iowa?

Since you brought up Dr Tom. He made the NCAA tournament 11 times in his 32 years as a head coach. Which, if you’re half way decent at math, you’d know that’s less than Fran’s record. Nine of those 11 were with Iowa and several were set up nicely by the coach who preceded him. Carry on.

You want to compare Dr. Tom's time at Iowa vs. Fran's? You really want to go there? Do the research and get back to me.

Fran has been here 9 years now. And here we are.

You again are just another one of these Iowa fans who has ankle level expectations and that's why we sit where we do.

Carry on.
 
That’s an interesting way to look at it. I know there’s one potential Hall of Fame coach who has never made a Sweet 16 out of “18” chances. Usually the best team in the conference as well, 20+ wins most years. His teams have made the tournament 7 times without advancing past the round of 64.

Achievement in the NCAA tourney or how often a team achieves an NCAA tourney shouldn't be the way one looks at it? In the end, does anything else matter?
 
You want to compare Dr. Tom's time at Iowa vs. Fran's? You really want to go there? Do the research and get back to me.

Fran has been here 9 years now. And here we are.

You again are just another one of these Iowa fans who has ankle level expectations and that's why we sit where we do.

In fact, convince me McCaffery's run at Iowa has been any better than Steve Alford's.

Carry on.
 
You want to compare Dr. Tom's time at Iowa vs. Fran's? You really want to go there? Do the research and get back to me.

Fran has been here 9 years now. And here we are.

You again are just another one of these Iowa fans who has ankle level expectations and that's why we sit where we do.

Carry on.

I’ll gladly compare the two, or “go there” tough guy, if you remove what each walked into. Let’s do it.

One walked into seven future NBA players, while the other took over after the worst three year stretch in Iowa basketball history.


Year 9, 21-10 and going to the tournament. The horror.

BTW: I don’t need to do the research, I already know the history.
 
As much as I can't stand him and his sons, I've been one who has said he deserves the 2019-2020 season. First, he did turn us around and get us (I think) back into the NCAA tourney - and I don't see how Iowa has enough of a basketball reputation to fire a coach that gets us into the NCAA, although in time we could have a "next level" issue like Dr Tom. Second, I really think Toussaint will be an important piece of the puzzle. Third, I do agree he needs to shake up the staff a bit... so yes, OP, I would be ok with giving him a chance to make the staff shake up and see how it goes.

How is possible to be the type of person who “can’t stand” a college kid wearing the black and gold and a high school kid?
 
Achievement in the NCAA tourney or how often a team achieves an NCAA tourney shouldn't be the way one looks at it? In the end, does anything else matter?

I’m not a Fran supporter FYI. Making the tournament and advancing, especially at a power school should be the primary way to judge to a coach. The other, of course, is winning conference titles.

With that said, it would be an extremely bad look to fire a coach after said coach made the tournament. He should, however, be leaned on heavily to bring in some new blood on his coaching staff. Maybe he will leave on his on accord, hahaha doubtful, if he feels disrespected or feels pressured to make make changes he’s not comfortable with.
 
I’ll gladly compare the two, or “go there” tough guy, if you remove what each walked into. Let’s do it.

Year 9, 21-10 and going to the tournament. The horror.

I'll pick the worst of the two to compare Fran with Stubby. That being Alford.

Fran ever win a Big 10 tourney Stubby? Alford won 2.

Alford won 59% of his games at Iowa. Fran 58%.

Both won 48% of their conference games.

Fran won 2 NCAA tourney games. Alford one.

Fran ever have a 3 seed in NCAA? Alford had one.

So sorry to pop your balloon Stubby, but there you go. Not the "tough guy" you try to be on these boards are you?

Keep touting Fran as the end all be all. All you want is for Fran to bounce you on his knee?
 
Pretty simple in what I am saying:

Fran has made the Sweet 16 ZERO times in 22 previous seasons as a Head Coach. This year likely makes it 23.

In case you're wondering, in those previous 22 years, Fran's teams have made the NCAA tourney 8 times and has won 4 games (I said 3 before) in those times as he's 4-8 in NCAA tourney play.

Basically he's made the NCAA tourney 1 year in every 3 as a coach. To put in perspective, while Tom Davis was at Iowa, he had Iowa in the NCAA tourney 69% of the time (9 of 13 years).

Dude he coached at Lehigh, UNCG, and Siena!

You are so far gone from rational thought that you really should focus on politics.
 
I'd like a couple of new faces as assistants. For as much experience as the staff has they seem unable to change the way the team at times plays. I do believe that we get out coached.
 
Dude he coached at Lehigh, UNCF, and Siena!

You are so far gone from rational thought that you really should focus on politics.

I simply am not in the game defending McCaffery as you are. I think he's a very average coach at best. You don't. We'll agree to disagree dude.

In fact, as much as it will make you cringe, show that he's even done much better at Iowa than did Alford.

You need to spend your time running for Mayor of your sweet town; make some changes.
 
I'll pick the worst of the two to compare Fran with Stubby. That being Alford.

Fran ever win a Big 10 tourney Stubby? Alford won 2.

Alford won 59% of his games at Iowa. Fran 58%.

Both won 48% of their conference games.

Fran won 2 NCAA tourney games. Alford one.

Fran ever have a 3 seed in NCAA? Alford had one.

So sorry to pop your balloon Stubby, but there you go. Not the "tough guy" you try to be on these boards are you?

Keep touting Fran as the end all be all. All you want is for Fran to bounce you on his knee?

Easy girl, you’re getting all worked up again.

Let’s compare who won more BTT games Dr Tom or Lickliter? Trick question because neither won a game in the BTT. Dr Tom was 0-2 and Lick 0-3.
 
I simply am not in the game defending McCaffery as you are. I think he's a very average coach at best. You don't. We'll agree to disagree dude.

In fact, show that he's even done much better at Iowa than did Alford.

You need to spend your time running for Mayor of your sweet town; make some changes.

Everyone knows Fran is around average in the big ten.

Given the big ten has good coaches, he’s above average in the grand scheme of CBB.

Does anyone say he is anything more than that?

You are honestly consistently making shit up to argue something that doesn’t exist.
 
Easy girl, you’re getting all worked up again.

Let’s compare who won more BTT games Dr Tom or Lickliter? Trick question because neither won a game in the BTT. Dr Tom was 0-2 and Lick 0-3.

Listen Stubby, you are disjointed because you are used to thinking you are some expert on this board and have been called out that you aren't...pretty simply.

You turned away from the Alford comparison pretty quickly didn't you. Get you worked up Stub?
 
I simply am not in the game defending McCaffery as you are. I think he's a very average coach at best. You don't. We'll agree to disagree dude.

In fact, as much as it will make you cringe, show that he's even done much better at Iowa than did Alford.

You need to spend your time running for Mayor of your sweet town; make some changes.

Yet both Alford and Fran have improved once they coached their own recruits. Dr Tom, not so much.
 
Everyone knows Fran is around average in the big ten.

Given the big ten has good coaches, he’s above average in the grand scheme of CBB.

Does anyone say he is anything more than that?

You are honestly consistently making shit up to argue something that doesn’t exist.

Have stated facts Mr. Prairie du Chien. What have I made up? Look at the stats and tell me what's made up.

Compare Fran's record to Davis' and Alford's. There's a thing called Google. Look at the NCAA stats I quoted on Fran to verify.

When has the Big 10 NOT had good coaches?

You on the other hand are carried away with man love for any coach or athletic administration because you see them as some sort of idol. Try being a bit more objective instead of wanting to bounced on their knee.
 
Listen Stubby, you are disjointed because you are used to thinking you are some expert on this board and have been called out that you aren't...pretty simply.

You turned away from the Alford comparison pretty quickly didn't you. Get you worked up Stub?

I didn’t mind Alford. The comparison, which you brought up was Dr Tom. Like a moron, you compared Fran’s entire coaching career (22 years) to Dr Tom’s 13 seasons at Iowa. Then you got mad when you realized Fran has been to the tournament at a better ratio than Dr Tom.

Never pretended to be an expert and don’t know when I was called out for being an expert. Seems strange.
 
I didn’t mind Alford. The comparison, which you brought up was Dr Tom. Like a moron, you compared Fran’s entire coaching career (22 years) to Dr Tom’s 13 seasons at Iowa. Then you got mad when you realized Fran has been to the tournament at a better ratio than Dr Tom.

Never pretended to be an expert and don’t know when I was called out for being an expert. Seems strange.

Simple question:

Who had more success at Iowa, Davis or Fran?
 
Have stated facts Mr. Prairie du Chien. What have I made up? Look at the stats and tell me what's made up.

When has the Big 10 NOT had good coaches?

You on the other hand are carried away with man love for any coach or athletic administration because you see them as some sort of idol. Try being a bit more objective instead of wanting to bounced on their knee.

You just compared 22 years of Frans career to Dr Toms time at iowa. You are either an idiot or completely disingenuous. Probably both.
 
You just compared 22 years of Frans career to Dr Toms time at iowa. You are either an idiot or completely disingenuous. Probably both.

Simple question to you Mt. Prairie du Chien:

Who was more successful at Iowa? Davis or Fran?

Do you see any difference between Alford's tenure and Fran's at Iowa?
 
This is what’s hilarious...I’m really don’t even defend Fran or Barta, you just think i do because I point out inaccuracies or misrepresentations in nearly every one of your shitty posts.
 
This is what’s hilarious...I’m really don’t even defend Fran or Barta, you just think i do because I point out inaccuracies or misrepresentations in nearly every one of your shitty posts.

Haha, all you do is defend those two guys in the Lounge. There's one thread on Barta there now and about 2/3 of the posts are yours; countless defending.

Your issue is you are upset that others don't buy into your premises you constantly try throwing down on others.

You are a rose colored glasses buffoon whose caught up in man love. Your constant and previous name calling is exactly what I'd expect from someone who chooses to live in the town you do. Thanks for not disappointing.
 
Thanks for proving my point. You are a bigger idiot than I actually thought.

Again, one was set up with SEVEN future NBA players (3SO, 1FR). The other, walked into one of the worst three year stretches of Iowa basketball going back 114 years. A fair comparison.
 
I live in the nicest and most expensive town in Iowa. It’s pretty cozy here, full of normal, non-crazy people who see love for love.
 
How rare is it for a P5 school to hang on to all of their assistants for 9 seasons? It would seem to be fairly uncommon, IMO.

We need a change in recruiting, defense and philosophy on transfers.
 
The transfer stuff doesn’t bug me too much. We have a good case study a couple hours away and it’s been mixed at best. The best thing for ISU was getting a quick fix in results that helped 12-13 recruiting. Of course that required accepting a bunch of rejects from other programs and sweeping their further issues under the rug.

I honestly don’t think Fran likes recruiting over people which is noble but obviously not ideal.
 
How rare is it for a P5 school to hang on to all of their assistants for 9 seasons? It would seem to be fairly uncommon, IMO.

We need a change in recruiting, defense and philosophy on transfers.

A change in the first and the latter would provide the necessary players to have a good defense. Fran has had good defensive teams at Iowa but it required the right personnel.
 
What are the expectations you have to give you a boner, Stubby?

In my view, Iowa just making a Sweet 16 at some point is the best I can hope for from this staff.

This thread is about new or partially new staff. So sweet 16 every year? Every 9 years?

Was it a difficult question to or answer?

To answer yours, I don’t gave goals, I’m not demanding anything.
 
How is possible to be the type of person who “can’t stand” a college kid wearing the black and gold and a high school kid?

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The above images help you to understand this now? I went to the University of Iowa and Fran doesn't represent us very well. You obviously disagree, but I suspect you're a family member or friend. If so, ask Patrick about all of his Twitter bull$hit.
 
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