Your Clones are going mid-major. Learn it. Know it.
Would you rather have the Big 10 without extra four?
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Your Clones are going mid-major. Learn it. Know it.
I have tempered my expectations from day 1 of the Scott Frost hire. So no flip needed.
BTW The Great Carnac is a joke. Perfect fit for RMH.
Let's go ahead and make that bet right now. I will agree to as big of number as you like and I will make it easier for you. If either school accepts an invitation to join the B10, you win.
Actually, with cord cutting it may be that Iowa is headed to mid-major land.
Ever since expansion mania started I said that it would probably end with 16-teams per conference.
The 8-team division is the max and remain viable.
That way you'd play the 7-teams in your division every year, and play 4 teams from the other division every other year.
However, the NCAA would have to expand the regular season to 13-games and limit the pre-conference schedule to just 2 games. Making it an 11-game conference schedule.
The 8-team division is the max and remain viable.
That way you'd play the 7-teams in your division every year, and play 4 teams from the other division every other year.
However, the NCAA would have to expand the regular season to 13-games and limit the pre-conference schedule to just 2 games. Making it an 11-game conference schedule.
From a football content they don't do a lot but they have helped secure PSU in the league by having teams around them. People also miss the recruiting angle. New Jersey and Maryland/DC area are probably regularly the 2nd and 3rd best recruiting areas in the league after Ohio. The B1G has very good brands but lacks the recruiting areas the SEC, ACC and even the Big 12 with state of Texas. If you don't think this is an issue click on the Rivals rankings and look at each state and how many 4 star kids they have. Below are some states and how many 4 star recruits they have this year:
B1G states: Ohio 11, New jersey 11, Maryland/DC 12, Pennyslvania 6, Michigan 9, Illinois 3(bad year)
Other states: North Carolina 16, Virginia 11, Georgia 36, Alabama 12, Tennessee 11, Florida 48, Texas 48 and California 39.
New Jersey and the Maryland/DC area are a nice addition of recruits in the league's footprint and those kids don't usually go to the instate schools so adding them probably means additions to the B1G schools that were there before they came. Also, PSU, OSU & Michigan get the biggest haul and like it or not the league is considered the strongest when those schools are strong.
This is why future expansion needs to add more recruiting. While I love the Oklahoma brand, simply adding Oklahoma and Kansas won't do that so I don't like expansion of just OU & KU. That leaves 3 areas:
1. North Carolina & Virginia (even better if they can add Ga. Tech to have at least some inroads into Georgia even if it will be SEC dominated due to the Bulldogs. The B1G could probably hope for a 30-35% haul at best but that might be 10-12 4 star recruits).
2. Texas- Texas won't come with just OU, they cannot afford to be the southern most team in primarily a northern league. Texas A&M and the rest of the SEC would murder them in recruiting in that type of scenario. I think they need to let Texas pick 2 other partners besides OU and whoever they want. The dream solution would be to convince A&M to leave as one and even if Texas wanted to bring Arkansas as the 4th. In this scenario you demote TT, TCU, Baylor and even Oklahoma St as P5 schools to compete with for recruits and it cuts the SEC from having an instate team in Texas. But the most likely scenario is Texas brings TT & TCU or Houston. If Texas could convince Arkansas to come and bring TT & Arky with OU I would do it. That still demotes 2 in state Texas schools and Oklahoma St. for Texas recruits. I know people wouldn't like the TT & Arkansas academics but if you want to compete and have great content this may be a good play.
3. California- The 4 California schools, Washington & Oregon.
Of those additions I think a 4 team with Texas is the best from a content and recruiting stand point. I'm not convinced Texas & OU want to leave the Big 12 with the political power they have though. An OU/Texas add gives a much better chance for Nebraska to regain its brand status. Which is almost like adding another team from a B1G standpoint because Nebraska is not near what they use to be.
Dude, that one statement negates your entire post. Texas (DeLoss Dodds) screwed the pooch when they launched the Longhorn Network. DeLoss thought the rest of the conference would just put up with it. They didn't.
Texas will eat humble pie and join the B1G with OU. They have no other viable option.
Texas Tech doesn't have the academics to get into the Big Ten. No way, no how. There is the Big Ten Academic Alliance membership to consider. Fans of other P5 conferences that are all about the sports don't get that. By Big Ten standards Texas Tech is a four-year juco.
Lol, any conference will take Texas. Yeah, they have to give up the LHN in the B1G or SEC, maybe not in the ACC or PAC.
You ask their other option? Lets see, if they go to the SEC OU comes along. Then Texas gets to put OU, Arkansas and A&M every year on the schedule again besides another quality game or two in the SEC and in the current SEC schedule 4 non-conference games a year. Yep, you got it the B1G has them over a barrel, lol!
Let's be clear, OU doesn't have to follow Texas anywhere ...the Red River classic would continue regardless of whether they play in the same conference or not.
Just like Florida plays Florida State, Clemson plays South Carolina, Notre Dame plays Michigan, etc.
One of the primary reasons OU wants out of the Big 12 is to remove themselves from playing second-fiddle to Texas in revenue sharing.
I'd love to have OU in the B1G, Texas can go pound it's pud as an Independent for all I care.
There is a Gentlemen's Agreement in the SEC among the presidents of FL, SC, KY, UGA and A&M to keep any second team form those states out of the conference. UT is NOT joining the SEC.
Texas has more options than just about any University in the nation. They just don`t like any of them more than their current position. I know more about UT and their culture than you probably know about the University of Iowa. They will never join the B10 without a MAJOR restructuring of the current B10 membership and footprint. That restructuring would include replacing much of the current B10 membership......including Iowa.
Predicting Riley to fail at NU is not really that awesome of a call. The guy was a .500 coach and has a ton of failure. Not saying Scott Frost will every win a National Title, but Nebraska will be better under him.
That is a myth from several posts I have read on other SEC boards. Even if that block has discussed voting that way with some schools it wouldn't apply to Texas. FSU was the SEC's first choice when FSU chose the ACC in 1991.
Below is an SEC article talking about in 1990 both FSU & Miami was being considered.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/1990-sec-expansion-southeastern-conference/
I have also seen from SEC posters, the last expansion the SEC commissioner got an agreement to take schools in new states for #13 & #14 because they were looking for market expansion due to the SEC Network but that wouldn't apply for future expansion and content would likely determine expansion unless NC and or Va. Tech/Va. became available for new markets because of the advertising value of those states.
Texas won't go to the SEC either. They don't like the academic profile of the conference, and won't join aTm
119 years. A tradition of conference revenue sharing among all institutions. Huge income with or without the Big Ten Network. This conference isn’t going anywhere.
Actually Iowa was banned from the Big Ten in 1930. We were reinstated quickly but played only one conference game against Purdue.
Oh, we also played Nebraska that year and won 12-7.
There is some question to whether Texas would accept the academic profile but the last SEC addition had 2 AAU schools to help improve that. Texas doesn't require all the B12 schools to be AAU either. The part about joining A&M is not correct.
It comes down to Academics/AAU vs an SEC schedule that includes OU, Arkansas & Texas A&M every year. That puts back 3 huge rivalries. It also at this time leaves 4 non-conference games to schedule a couple Texas schools which they like and possibly a Notre Dame series. They may decide they like their political power in the B12 and as long as the revenue remain viable go ahead and stay with that, but if OU was looking for sure that may change things and what Texas would decide may influence OU.
Nice! So predicting Scott Flop’s failure is an impressively awesome call on my part?!
At least you can be the first to tell your buddies “I told you so” about Scott Flop’s flop.
Like I posted before, very few here know anything about UT and their culture. They won`t be going to the B10 without major changes and won`t go to SEC.
Maybe Texas will join the Pac-12 with San Diego State; Fresno State; and Boise State when all the majors go to 16 teams?
Debby was an AAU member when they were voted in.
Fans of other conferences don't understand the important role academics play in the Big Ten- probably because their conferences are only sports organizations. That is the prism they see things in, and many of them are nervous about the future of their favorite school in major college football.
They don't understand that the Big Ten doesn't work the same way their sports conferences work. The Big Ten Academic Alliance provides billions of dollars for research to member schools. The conference isn't all about football or basketball. It is also about the grad students and faculty doing research to benefit all of us.
Fans from other conferences don't get that, they are just thinking about sports. That is what their leagues are all about. The university presidents at Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, etc. don't think like that.
It was a very close call a few years ago; only thing that broke the deal was giving up the Longhorn Network to the PAC-12 Network, neither of which is successful.
"The Pac-12 wasn't going to dismiss a possible pod-system of four four-team subdivisions for scheduling purposes, but wouldn't agree to giving Texas favored treatment. Texas has its own network, the Longhorn Network, which is operated by ESPN. If Texas supported equal revenue sharing, then that would have meant more regional networks for the Pac-12 and even more money. But Texas wasn't willing to do that, according to the source."
Link: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further
Clueless, stubborn, and WRONG!
Link: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further
Clueless, stubborn, and WRONG!
I like having Nebraska, but I would get rid of them if it meant also getting rid of the PSU, Maryland, and Rutgers.
I really teams only really care about beating are Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska. Everyone else is just another team. If Nebraska left maybe Illinois could get relevant enough again to care.
I really teams only really care about beating are Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska. Everyone else is just another team. If Nebraska left maybe Illinois could get relevant enough again to care.
Link: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/14/sports/la-sp-pac-10-texas-20100615
"As late as Sunday night, Texas appeared on the cusp of joining the Pac-10 and bringing along Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. Texas A&M was originally part of the package but was also being courted by the Southeastern Conference."
What you fail to grasp is Texas was only going to the PAC12 as a last resort, and only going with multiple regional partners. Two things happened to derail that. Members of their handpicked "pod" said no to the move, and the PAC12 also said no to bringing in certain members. I am certain you believe what you type but you are wrong. They never got far enough to seriously discuss the LHN.
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