So should we or should we not have been excited that we hired the prior year's coach of the year?
I didn't say it was a guarantee, but he'd probably be at another major P5 school right now if he didn't have Nebraska ties.
Wow. Nebraska sucks.
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I didn't say it was a guarantee, but he'd probably be at another major P5 school right now if he didn't have Nebraska ties.
I make a statement and you decide to assign more to it. Are you that in need of validation?
you can be excited while being realistic, well at least some people can.
as for this frost guy-how is it that people still say it is not his fault because his team would be better if they played smarter and had less penalties.
that should be 100% on the coach imo......
We have sucked and that is true. The new staff gives us hope that we can compete for conference championships on a yearly basis (especially in the west) It may not work but there is still hope. Just as the case with the last coach we will have a good idea by year 3 which direction it is trending. Mike Riley and Shawn Eichorst did way more damage than most husker fans would like to admit.
Why so much hope for guys that field a team that plays so foolishly? Lack of talent I can understand.......
Obviously he'll be trending up if he makes it past next year. It's kind of hard to go anywhere but up lol.
Riley is the reason your team is so undisciplined? I doubt that.
The head coach is responsible for the discipline of their team. I was referring to culture and zero expectations and zero accountability from the older players that Riley tolerated. Even if we are 2-3 or 3-2 or whatever, things on the inside that our coaches are currently trying to change have to take formation before we can compete with Iowa and Wisconsin who have program stability and identity. The 90% of the shit fans don't see is the biggest problem before that is cleaned out before wins can occur. Our penalties mostly occur because we are out of position and outmanned.
Right now the issue for nabraska is that there coach does not have the players he needs to run the plays he likes. On a few more years they could be a good team but right now they are a joke. Some say it’s was because of the first game of the season but that’s not true.
I would be hesitant to continually make comments about how bad Nebraska is. I mean they aren't a dumpster fire and beyond horrible. Are they having some down years? Most definitely. I think we should win, especially at home. But considering they are moving the ball on offense and it's basically their Defense holding them back I would ease up. I would hate to eat crow come November.
We are moving the ball but following Iowa you play your best in November. I don't see it this year especially on the road with our line play and lack of depth but I hope we are competitive and show way better than the previous 3 years.
Not well there either and it is concerning. But with Riley here allegedly players didn't have to lift, show up to shit on time, or eat meals at the training table. That for sure has changed. Baby steps for us right now.
So a lack of discipline was an issue at UCF and now it is at Nebraska and it's Riley's fault? Frost has had some time to address and improve the situation.
Stated before that the current head coach is responsible for the results including penalties. He is trying to change the culture outside of gameday that was created by Riley. I also stated earlier that this rebuild is also way bigger than most Nebraska fans want to admit.
Stop with that garbage about lifting, being on time, etc. Riley came on board and didn't have alot of talent due to Pelini according to Nebraska fans. He won 6 games his first year and went to a bowl and nine his second. Frost is underperforming, big time.
Riley got hired off a 9 win season. We were 4-8 last year and quit in a majority of the games. Never said Frost wasn't underachieving said there are more issues then just winning football games. Pelini didn't recruit depth but always had some good top end players. Btw since you know so much about Nebraska who did Riley beat that was worth a shit in the 9 win season? Minnesota was the best win. The four teams worth a damn beat us and the other 3 housed us including you. Time will tell how Frost does. I was stating the rebuild is not a one or two year deal.
Fair enough, although I find it very odd that Riley (or any coach) wouldn't insist on basic items, such as, showing up to meetings on times and lifting on a prescribed schedule.
Why I used the word allegedly. I don't know it to be true but there was a lot of smoke around. Could be bullshit for all I know but our linemen on both sides don't look like Big 10 linemen should to compete in our division w Iowa and Wisconsin . I think things were pretty loose in terms of accountability.
Fine. Step up and make the program better and win more games. Just quit whining and complaining and blaming some other coach. Step up Frost and do it. Don't tell me why it's so hard, just do it.
That is the hope a better "program" to compete year in and year out to get to Indy. There is always challenges taking over for a fired coach. It is about winning but Frost is going to get plenty of rope. Ferentz had challenges taking over for a Hawkeye legend and has done a really good job but it took a little time to get things done his way.
If I were a Nebraska fan my biggest nightmare is that Frost doesn’t succeed and the program never progresses. What happens then? What coach would even consider coming in, other than an unproven upstart? That’s where nightmares exist.
True, but regardless of how far Nebraska falls on tough times, they will always have their namesake to at least count for something, it may not help a ton or be much. But at the very least there is a possibility, however remote that might be.
Just remember, hard times can fall on any program. That's why I cringe when I see Iowa fans talking trash.
Just remember, hard times can fall on any program. That's why I cringe when I see Iowa fans talking trash.
Nope. I'm just not sure what the point is that you're trying to make. Who wouldn't have been excited about the possibilities of the hire? And to be clear, I'm still very excited about the future of program under Frost. We hired the coach of the year in college football. Did you watch the team he put on the field at UCF? I know some Iowa fans aren't wanting to give him a ton of credit for what he did at UCF, but you don't put that team on the field against Auburn and not know what you're doing. He has won as a player and as a coach. Would your rational reaction be to say, "Hold on everyone, Iowa hired Lickliter and we know how that worked out, better not get excited about this hire." This is college sports, it's supposed to be fun. If its not, then I'll find something else to do with my free time.
Mom!! Throwbones is writing books for posts again that nobody cares about!!! Mom!!!
We realized we had that problem when we had to hire Bill Callahan, who was somewhere like option #5-#7. Pederson failed to hire a head coach a good number of times because coaches didn't want to come here. I guess my question is when has it ever been a destination for coaches? Pelini wanted to jump. If he had won the CCG in the B1G and had power 5 interest, he would have left.
Look who we have hired after Osborne: Solich (home grown), Callahan (after being turned down by multiple others), Pelini (Nebraska ties), Mike Riley (smh), Scott Frost (COY, Nebraska ties)
Coaches weren't clammoring to come in here at any point. It will continue to be a challenge to hire coaches after Frost retires in 30 years
Frost's "discipline":
2018 Nebraska: 130th nationally in penalties
2017 UCF: 117th
2016 UCF: 72nd
2015 UCF (year before Frost arrived): 27th
If there is an undisciplined person in the Nebraska program, you'd best look at head coach.
2018 Nebraska: 130th nationally in penalties
2017 UCF: 117th
2016 UCF: 72nd
2015 UCF (year before Frost arrived): 27th
If there is an undisciplined person in the Nebraska program, you'd best look at head coach.
Losing the top ranked JUCO in the country because of a temper tantrum also is on the coach. You have to set expectations and handle head cases.
Frost will not last 3. If he wins, he is off to USC or some other school with a better lifestyle. If he keeps losing he will be gone.We realized we had that problem when we had to hire Bill Callahan, who was somewhere like option #5-#7. Pederson failed to hire a head coach a good number of times because coaches didn't want to come here. I guess my question is when has it ever been a destination for coaches? Pelini wanted to jump. If he had won the CCG in the B1G and had power 5 interest, he would have left.
Look who we have hired after Osborne: Solich (home grown), Callahan (after being turned down by multiple others), Pelini (Nebraska ties), Mike Riley (smh), Scott Frost (COY, Nebraska ties)
Coaches weren't clammoring to come in here at any point. It will continue to be a challenge to hire coaches after Frost retires in 30 years
Are you saying that because that is what he did in college? Didn't like something so he quit and moved on? And yes I did notice he criticized players that did that to him. Side note attrition isn't always bad, I heard Alvarez had 52 players leave his first year. He however inherited a dumpster fire, no top 30 recruiting classes like the program that has become a dumpster fire.
I disagree. IF he works out, they will throw cash at him like crazy and everyone will kiss the ground he walks on.
I am basically seeing from Nebraska what I thought I would see. Bad defense, undisciplined team, an inexperienced QB who makes mistakes but is athletic and can get the ball to explosive playmakers that Nebraska has. Basically the same type of team he had at UCF but wasn't playing as good of competition.
Martinez is a playmaker for sure. Milton at UCF might be a once in a coaching lifetime QB.
Iowa fans want to pass along Todd Lickliter's warmest regards.
But you understand there is a wide gulf between “we can’t get too excited “ and “Frost Warning! Ohio State and Michigan are running scared! Big Ten is going to have to adjust to us!”
I saw a Nebraska fan post on Twitter a couple of weeks ago:
“In all honesty the biggest problem with Nebraska football, from the fan base, admin, coaches, and players is hubris.”.
I think he pretty hit the nail on the head.
That's very thoughtful of you. See, lots of good people around here...
He had better opportunities than Nebraska and he chose Nebraska. He's not leaving unless fans/boosters run him out.
I do what I can.
You're about the only Husker fan I like around here so I always want to do my part to be hospitable to you.
Seriously, though, you're cool. I'm glad you post here.
