Your 2022 National Champs are...
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He’s already missed out on this opportunity on several occasions.
You apparently missed the “Truly the stuff of legends,” part.
Legends, myths and must see TV..
True, but not trying to stop the fourth. It's not like we don't have some type of precedent. It's what Desanto did to him.
That would be awesome.
The first time in the NCAAs with Spencer he really acquiesced quickly in positions. It has to gnaw at him. It makes me wonder if thinks he can handle an ACL-less Lee. According to the new video he surely thinks he's the best.
I have not seen any new video, and I do believe Suriano is a fine wrestler. He's an NCAA Champion for a reason, but he had to move away from Spencer Lee to do it, and Lee beat him soundly the only time they faced each other. He saw a future of not being an NCAA Champion staring him in the face at 125. That's why he moved up.
I am not in the camp that has Spencer Lee penciled in as a 4 Timer, even if he were completely healthy. If Dan Gable can get beat, anybody can at that one miraclous point in time. We shall see in due time.
That said, Suriano appears to think his chances are suddenly better because Spencer Lee has no ACL's. He apparently thinks he sees blood in the water, what he doesn't realize is, it's his. Spencer Lee is the Great White Shark, and everybody else is a Tuna until proven otherwise. So be careful what you wish for Nick.
Please. Lee has a lot more time to heal and a season full of matches prior to a run for a 4th Title. Aside from learning to live with it. Are you taking a 133 DeSanto today over 125 lb Lee with no ACL's? Yeah, me neither.
But if you think the precedent is set and the scenario is similar, my wallet is there for the plucking. I'm your Huckleberry.
Spencer is incredible and I think you’re right and he gets it done for his 4th no matter who he comes up against. I will say That Freshman title run was maybe the healthiest Spencer we’ve seen. In the finals against Suriano there were a few incredible scrambles that Spencer ended up winning, which proved to be the difference. I do wonder what his mobility will be like this year and I think that’s a fair question.
All that said. Lee is a monster and I sure as hell wouldn’t bet against him.
2020 was the healthiest we’ve seen him. He looked damn good w/o one ACL running the table plus winning U.S. Nationals. Suriano has to beat guys to get Spencer…he had the opportunity and did not. If Spencer’s other knee does well in rehab, he should be ok.
I was thinking specifically of his health going through an NCAA week, but you’re of course right. He was dominant in 2020 and last year as well for that matter.
I think he’ll be just fine this year. I just hope that his Acl issue doesn’t hurt his scrambling, which it could. To me, his ability to scramble is so vastly underrated, mainly because he finishes most takedowns quickly and his defense is good enough that most people can’t get to his legs. Time will tell, but like I said, you’d have to be a fool to bet against that dude.
Some pretty tough hombres have had significant injuries and still managed to win, some handily. Spencer and Nolf come to mind, and then there's Cory Clark (not easy but he got it done).
It's all talk from Suriano until he steps up to the plate. We'll see if he's willing and able, and how he fares if that's his path. He's not even enrolled anywhere is he? (I realize he can wait to 2nd semester) 133 ain't no picnic either, but his chances of potentially getting throttled are far better at 125 and sucking weight all year to do it, IMO.
I'm confident Spencer Lee will be ready to roll regardless of who's in his path.
Uh, I would never bet against Lee. The precedent set I'm referencing is someone going down in an ATTEMPT to stop Lee. After watching that video and seeing Suriano's eccentric persona, I'm speculating on what I think he will do. I'm not doubting Spencer.
He's training now for trials and thinks he's gonna make worlds in Oct so starting grad school wouldn't work.
I think Nick Suriano stays at the weight he has already won. Time will tell. Folkstyle is not a good style for Nick to beat Lee. He's not riding Lee. I think it's likely he gives up a riding time point and he is not a prolific finisher. Lee will be heathy and ready just as he was prior to Big 10's last year.
Another thing Suriano mentioned in the video was how the NIL has him intrigued, and how it has made him consider college again. And we know Carl's ability in the financial assistance arena.
Stop with the Suriano back to PSU boo-shite. He’s been there done that and it doesn’t matter one diddly squat how Carl feals.
Well when Metcalf regains his last year of eligibility and comes back to Iowa and takes Murin's spot, that will be a moot point........
If you are MU fan, what do you hear about O'Toole? What weight is he going? He wasn't going to wrestle as a true Frosh but jumped in the lineup with the free year. He was walking around fully fed at 170 prior to the year and was planning on going 157, but with the free year jumped in a hole in the lineup at 165 and got 3rd at NCAAs. I've heard from Missouri insiders that while they agree that Marinelli is a great wrestler and hope he can win one if O'Toole can't, but they feel that he O'Toole beats Bull 10 out of 10 times. He will be stronger next year. Unfortunately I believe he has to be the title favorite if he goes 165.
10 out of 10 times ya say? Uuummm, uhhh, ummm, well alrighty then.
Where are these guys? I want some of that action…I’ll take the bull at 165 against him for a healthy amount.
Lol OK. But I’m a homer. And talk about unlikely scenarios involving fantasy transfers and PSU winning a title due to those imaginary facts seem a bit odd to me.
Let me ask you one question … Are you the anti-Homer?
Also, Nick left Penn State on not the greatest of terms. He and his family were upset with Cael. Bob Suriano has a lot of pride and going back to Penn State would say Cael was right, to the whole world, the last time and it would be helping Cael take credit for Nick's skill and development and that would drive Bob crazy. I don't see it, but time will tell. I think the Sunkist Wrestling Club steps up and makes Nick a wealthy athlete, because if ASU gets Nick they will be a much stronger team. Also, as good as ASU is, Nick on that team would be the star....
Suriano will never wrestle for ASU. Unlike Carl, zeke and Co. have some loyalty.
while bob is crazy, don’t underestimate his ability to do mental gymnastics. This would very much be a Carl needs nick more than nick needs Carl situation.
with suriano their championship hopes go from - EVERYTHING has to go right, to one swing and miss from Iowa and they can win it. And Carl is smart enough to sell it that way.
I'm a rabid Iowa fanatic. Sit close to me during big Iowa matches at your own risk. I get animated.
I've been told no weight change. He's comfortable at 165 and has proven he can wrestle with the best of them. As far as 10 for 10, I'm not sure I believe that. I do think he wins a majority of them though. He's much stronger than he looks and his scrambling/wrestling IQ is outstanding.
Cael doesn't appear to have loyalties and Gilman doesn't appear to like competition in the room. Seems like they could both move on from each other.
Love the confidence and mindset I am sure Lee is of the same ilk. But in fairness to Nick, I have not seen anywhere he has claimed he is coming to 125 to take Lee's throne. He did claim he was the best in the world, but that was a freestyle reference. I would love for Nick to come back and to wrestle at 125. No one could ever take anything away from Spencer Lee if he wins a bracket with Glory, Vito, and Nicky with two torn ACL's. GOAT talk would be appropriate IMO (and I hate GOAT discussions). It could also crush Nick mentally in any future freestyle match up with Spencer.
Not to mention the wrestling world would be jacked for that finals match up. Spencer Lee as the featured match two years in a row!! Possibly with the national title on the line. Sign me up right freaking now!!
So… Do you have inside info concerning this Suriano to PSU bidness or just taking a flyer? ‘Cause we’ll need to see a notarized certificate from the source if it’s the former.
Looks like Suriano is going 61 KG for WTT's, which makes sense since Gilman has 57 locked up.
