*************NCAA Wrestling Championship Finals************
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Idk if it's killing the sport, but in important matches that aren't blowouts it certainly increases the randomness of the outcome, which I guess is the point. If you're the lower ranked wrestler, you want to drastically slow down the scoring in the match, keep it close, and increase the pressure for the better wrestler.
Agreed. Kem seemed to catch onto it in the third but by then he was a bit spent from chasing. Makes me sick to say it but we were out coached in the finals matches. They were prepared and executed. Kem was the better wrestler yet lost. Eierman was a tossup but game planned for to a T as well.
24 lil buddy. You aren’t even to double digits yet.
Why would you want to take away something your own guys do?
Wanting to make the sport fairer for everyone else? How noble......
Fwiw...I watched the finals tonight with 7 other adults, at least two other, both wrestlers in their youth and longtime, active fans of the sport, commented that watching matches like that is so discouraging that they can foresee not engaging in following the sport going forward.
Were they making that comment based on the finals, or on matches broadly throughout the season?
The NCAA finals have always been their own animal, and they can definitely be boring.
Penn State , four drafted in the first round but lost the Super Bowl!! 😆
They are all giddy about losing. Lol
They are all giddy about losing. Lol
You probably hadn't thought of that because it's not possible lol.
Your right, Burroughs, Dake, Oliver, etc. never improved once they hit the age of 23! 🙃
Howard will still get stuck in the first next year by the dispencer. Lol.
Spot on Chi.
It’s like the 4-corner strategy in basketball before the shot clock. Just get a lead and then run the rest of the clock out. Wrestling needs a shot clock or something to prevent it because stalling is so subjective and refs are so hesitant to call it in big matches.
I was liking him until attitude started coming out through his second and third round matches. As an official I would have pointed out to him that it is his job to wrestle and my job to officiate. One of the matches I was yelling at the TV for the ref to hit him with unsportsmanlike conduct! He seems to think that he knows more out on the mat than everybody else, and he is willing to let you know.
He needs for John Smith to take firm control like Tom and Terry have done for Desanto, more than just grabbing his headgear to prevent it costing a team point.
Give them both a warning in the first and see how that changes things!
I actually don't even think it's just done by wrestlers who get leads. I think it's even done by the worse wrestler who is tied or down a point or 2. Again, if you are the worse of the two, all you really want is to get to a place where you can steal the match at the end, as opposed to letting a match get away from you. If you're the better wrestler in an important match, having everything ride on a flukey scramble at the end or a well-timed shot creates immense pressure. Imo THAT is the true issue.
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To be fair, I think PSU wanted several of your guys (along with the Hidlays, Shane Griffith, etc). The years and lineup openings have to match up though and those guys are too good to sit even a year at PSU when other options like Iowa are available.
I bet PSU would have loved to have Kem at 157 or 165.
What if around the mat we put sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads? To encourage wrestling in the center
Oh totally agree, I should have been more clear. In basketball before the shot clock it was mainly done by teams with a lead. In wrestling there is plenty of both. Plenty of times the match might as well be over after the first takedown and on the other hand as mentioned it’s just a smart strategy for underdog wrestlers to back away and play defense and try to turn the whole match into a sudden death scenario where one takedown can win it. And if you aren’t even thinking offense the first 6 minutes then you might have a big energy advantage at the end.
If you wrote a script about a guy exactly like AJ Ferrari and named him AJ Ferrari the producers would say get that shit out of here that's ridiculous his name is Ferrari.
But this is the reality we live in.
But this is the reality we live in.
Wanting to have them to walk on or book money guys is not exactly wanting them.
Congratulations on the title. Allot of great wrestling this week. Looking forward to the Olympic trials. Should be a good summer for wrestling, and next year sets up to be very competitive.
This 100%. And officials who swallow their whistles because they "don't want to influence the outcome" are literally the reason this exists and why the worse wrestler is able to utilize this strategy so often. Spencer's finals match is a perfect example. One stall call on the ASU kid and he literally went straight back off the whistle and sat on the edge every single time. Those officials need to be fired and never ref another match.
Which is odd, because based on his interviews this week I would have guessed Okie St is struggling to keep his grades high enough to be eligible.
Maybe he’s a smart kid and is just a horrible interview; but he didn’t do himself any favors.
I notice that Metcalf didn’t try to run out and tackle HIM.
Just stopped by to say congrats on the title. I would like to put my 2 cents in calling stalling. First I hate the idea of the push out being part of folk style wrestling. Having wrestlers pushing like sumo wrestlers doesn't do much for the sport. The current stall calls are not consistent. Looking back at matches in the 80s and 90s officials were not shy to ding wrestlers for not wrestling. I can't understand why they ever changed the rule.
This isn't what happens in freestyle. The action on the edge of the mat is insane. As long as you let guys back out of bounds to avoid danger, that's what they'll do. It had gotten a little better until this year when they apparently decided not to enforce the edge stall rules and just call action insead.
They did change how it's called and obviously they won't enforce stalling like they should. The push out is not a sumo match because if they are not near the edge it is a non factor. Guys can either stay in the middle and wrestle or risk giving up a self imposed stall point by backing to the edge and getting pushed out.
Unless you're a lightweight, you'd be stupid to go to Iowa. Who is the last champ over 157?
Comes along with the space thing, no? Two sides of the same coin. If the roster is opening up a spot, the money is becoming available.
Clearly I should have included “/s” at the end of my post. Lesson learned.
There are numerous examples of the strategy being “get the match to make one take down win.” Until that scenario is penalized, it will continue. They changed the game with the 4 point near fall. Now do something about awarding on the feet aggressiveness.
PSU finalists looked like US Postal circa 2001. More gas in the tank. It’s all about the blood.
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