141, 157 & 165 Going forward

[Mike_a_TetonValley]

141 Obviously if Grothus makes the cut he secures this spot. Intrigued by the possibility of Kemerer at this weight.
157 Cooper or St John. I believe Cooper will get much better as the season unfolds. Not sure either has the potential to AA.
165 After watching Rhoads today, he is a better option then Paddock.

Bottom line ... the Hawks need serious improvements at these weights if they are indeed going to challenge for the NCCA title. Go Hawks!!!

 

[Chopper25]

141 Obviously if Grothus makes the cut he secures this spot. Intrigued by the possibility of Kemerer at this weight.
157 Cooper or St John. I believe Cooper will get much better as the season unfolds. Not sure either has the potential to AA.
165 After watching Rhoads today, he is a better option then Paddock.

Bottom line ... the Hawks need serious improvements at these weights if they are indeed going to challenge for the NCCA title. Go Hawks!!!

141 Kemerer would be a big hole filler. I don't understand why everyone thinks someone who wrestled 145 last year can't wrestle141 this year.
157 Agree
165 Agree

 

[255]

If you had to play devils advocate.....
Look at the tOSU, PSU, OSU line ups. What three weights are their weakest that may not be able to preform at the NCAA? We clearly have a problem area in 3 weights. If I am right, only one team has had 10 AA's. 6 to 7 AA's seem to be the consistent for top team last few years. We need these weight stronger however, Do we think the weaker weights on other teams will do that much better? How much? Extra round? I have a hard time believing that each of the team above will have 7 AA's and 3 Rd 12 guys when the smoke clears. I don't know the answer and am looking through brackets over the last few years but interested in your thoughts.

 

[fleming24]

The goal at Iowa every year is to when the National Tournament, right? With that being said, the only chance the Hawkeyes have at winning the title is to incorporate a major overhaul at 141, 157 and 165. My eyeball test reveals to me that Kemerer without question would All-American at 141 and I believe Grothus would AA at 141 as well. But that doesn't alleviate the hole at 157 and 165. And although AA at HWT might be unrealistic, I do believe that Stoll will win some matches at the NCAA's and maybe get the Hawks a couple of bonus falls.
I'm not privileged of being in the room that much, but I'd think that Kemerer could make that cut. The question is to whether or not he certified there. And from what I seen in his performance at the Harold Nichols, there's no doubt he'd be in the money.
Take this for what it's worth.
Kemerer at the Midlands, unattached at 141. Based on his performance there, make a decision. And for those of you that haven't seen him in person, YOU'RE IN FOR A TREAT. His length, flexibilty, and energized motor will cause havoc against the competition. He's the real deal!!!!! Go Hawks!!!!!!

141-Kemerer
157-Grothus
165-Geez, I'm still confused

 

[ChloeDancer]

Seems to me Sorensen staying at 149 is causing our lineup to be weaker. If he were at 157 we could keep Brody at 149 and then later in the year if we look to be a contender can pull Turks shirt if need be and he is looking like he could AA or possibly have Kem drop to 141 if that is easily doable for him.

Obviously a lot of Q marks either way and I'm not all that confident Brody will stay healthy where ever he is. He always seems to be dinged up.

Will be interesting to see how everything plays out.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

125: Gilman
133: Clark
141: Kemerer
149: Grothus
157: Sorensen
165: Rhoads
174: Meyer
184: Brooks
197: Burak
285: Stoll

That lineup isn't happening this year, but I could see it scoring about 125 points at Nationals (i.e., enough to win the thing).

 

[Jackhawk87]

Wow, there is a little panic going on here.

Championships are built on individual champions and high AAs, not a bunch of low to mid AAs, R12 type guys. 157 and 165 are not going to get us significant points, period. Move on.

Moving Sorensen out of the 149 slot could make us a better dual team, but actually decrease our number of points at NCAAs. I doubt that pulling Kem's shirt and wrestling at 141 is going to bring us significantly more points than Grothus (hopefully less).

For us to win, we need Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Brooks, and Burak to bring it at the NCAAs and all finish very high on the podium. If those guys don't wrestle really well, we are out. If they are all wrestling on Saturday night (not out of the question), we would be in great shape.

If Brody can make it to 141 and be at least semi-successful and if Stoll can get us some points, there is a little bit of leeway for the top 5 guys.

 

[fleming24]

All I'm saying is that if Kemerer in fact certified at 141 and he wins the Parisi this weekend it's a no-brainer. You apparently haven't seen this kid wrestle.I want to win with the best line-up available rather than finishing second asking what if?

 

[SPOONER]

Seems to me Sorensen staying at 149 is causing our lineup to be weaker. If he were at 157 we could keep Brody at 149 and then later in the year if we look to be a contender can pull Turks shirt if need be and he is looking like he could

So we take a solid choice as a top 4-5 finisher, move him up a weight to where he will be undersized and a question mark to place...and that's going to make us better? What?

Why is the guy who's the best wrestler at his weight causing so many problems, in your mind? Why does he have to be the one to move up?

 

[SPOONER]

141 Kemerer would be a big hole filler. I don't understand why everyone thinks someone who wrestled 145 last year can't wrestle141 this year.
157 Agree
165 Agree

It isn't that people don't think he can its that no one here knows enough to make such definitive statements. The replies are coming in because you and others seem to think it is so darn easy without having any facts about his weight. It's just a tad more complex than "he wrestled 4 pounds heavier a year ago therefore there's no doubt he can wrestle down 4 pounds this year." That's simply awful logic. Was he cutting hard to 145? Has he grown? Etc.

 

[255]

is there any reason to believe or hope Kermerer will get that call? anything other than the hope he might?

 

[255]

Wow, there is a little panic going on here.

Championships are built on individual champions and high AAs, not a bunch of low to mid AAs, R12 type guys. 157 and 165 are not going to get us significant points, period. Move on.

Moving Sorensen out of the 149 slot could make us a better dual team, but actually decrease our number of points at NCAAs. I doubt that pulling Kem's shirt and wrestling at 141 is going to bring us significantly more points than Grothus (hopefully less).

For us to win, we need Gilman, Clark, Sorensen, Brooks, and Burak to bring it at the NCAAs and all finish very high on the podium. If those guys don't wrestle really well, we are out. If they are all wrestling on Saturday night (not out of the question), we would be in great shape.

If Brody can make it to 141 and be at least semi-successful and if Stoll can get us some points, there is a little bit of leeway for the top 5 guys.

Agree 100%

 

[hawknut]

Grothus couldn't beat Kelly at 157. No reason to think he would score points at 157.

 

[Chopper25]

It isn't that people don't think he can its that no one here knows enough to make such definitive statements. The replies are coming in because you and others seem to think it is so darn easy without having any facts about his weight. It's just a tad more complex than "he wrestled 4 pounds heavier a year ago therefore there's no doubt he can wrestle down 4 pounds this year." That's simply awful logic. Was he cutting hard to 145? Has he grown? Etc.

IDK find out for us brainiac. I know it's not impossible to wrestle 4 pounds lighter from a year ago it's been proven by many.

 

[SPOONER]

IDK find out for us brainiac. I know it's not impossible to wrestle 4 pounds lighter from a year ago it's been proven by many.

And it's also been "proven by many" that it "isn't possible." I don't have a clue whether he can or he can't nor does anyone on this board. Acting like it is this foregone conclusion, no big deal, easy cut and then questioning the coaches and why they don't just make it happen is beyond laughable.

 

[MavHawk1]

I think the Hawks will be fine at 141 going forward with a healthy Grothus...if not I believe the next best option would be Kem, but I'm not sure where he's at with weight...3rd option is Ryan and I believe he will go 7 min. With the best and not get give up bonus pts... I believe that is what we got in 57/65...a couple of guys who are wrestling not to give up pins/bonus pts against better compititon. Anyone else feel that the hawks spot duals down 0-9 when wrestling any big 10 team? We did against a Maryland team and okie. State team...just not sure who those guys beat in the big10...

 

[Azchief32]

Vall...you are missing everything

 

[vanhawkman]

141 Obviously if Grothus makes the cut he secures this spot. Intrigued by the possibility of Kemerer at this weight.
157 Cooper or St John. I believe Cooper will get much better as the season unfolds. Not sure either has the potential to AA.
165 After watching Rhoads today, he is a better option then Paddock.

Bottom line ... the Hawks need serious improvements at these weights if they are indeed going to challenge for the NCCA title. Go Hawks!!!

I'm surprised no one is mentioning Kemerer at 157, but that could be me not knowing eligibility, certification, etc. But, I thought Kemerer wrestled at 152 this past summer. I don't know, but this guy is definitely making TnT think. I just wish that he wasn't wrestling Frosh/Soph this weekend.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I'm surprised no one is mentioning Kemerer at 157, but that could be me not knowing eligibility, certification, etc. But, I thought Kemerer wrestled at 152 this past summer. I don't know, but this guy is definitely making TnT think. I just wish that he wasn't wrestling Frosh/Soph this weekend.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

I think we've got to take a deep breath here. Kemmerer is too big for 141 as vanhawkman pointed out he was wrestling up at 152 on the Young Guns Club team this summer. Grothus has been working on it for awhile and will get down there and we'll see how effective he is. Mike needs this redshirt year to develop. The big question is who moves up to 157 next year, Sorensen or Kemmerer? For this year the question still remain does SSJ get the nod over Cooper and does Rhoades get the nod over Paddock? I imagine all will get decided at Midlands.

 

[gablefan73]

I'm surprised no one is mentioning Kemerer at 157, but that could be me not knowing eligibility, certification, etc. But, I thought Kemerer wrestled at 152 this past summer. I don't know, but this guy is definitely making TnT think. I just wish that he wasn't wrestling Frosh/Soph this weekend.

He isn't anywhere near big enough to compete with the top guys at 57. That would be a waste of a rs.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

125: Gilman
133: Clark
141: Kemerer
149: Grothus
157: Sorensen
165: Rhoads
174: Meyer
184: Brooks
197: Burak
285: Stoll

That lineup isn't happening this year, but I could see it scoring about 125 points at Nationals (i.e., enough to win the thing).

Just for the record, I don't think this is the solution for this year. I was channeling Vallholl here a little bit, just having some fun with the lineup. I do think Kemerer should be allowed to develop more this year without burning his RS, and I think Brody is our best option at 141 provided he can get healthy and hold the weight. I think Sorensen should stay put and go win Big Tens and Nationals at 149 this year. Just thinking outside the box a little -- certainly not making any serious recommendations.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Stick with the plan. Ryan can hold the spot down until Grothus is ready at 141. SSJ or Cooper at 157. I personally like Cooper and think he will improve a lot during the course of the year. His key is staying out of bad positions. 165 is Paddock or Rhodes. I favor Rhodes at this point but it is awfully early so let them fight it out.

 

[Knight563]

The fact that we're (fans) so concerned about so many weights scares the hell out of me.

41 not concerned with bc, IN MY OPINION, Brody will be solid

57 ??? Points at nationals?!
65 ??? Points at nationals?!
HWT ??? Points at nationals?!

Guess who doesn't have this many concerns....the evil empire PSU.

DEFINITELY need 25, 33, 49, 74, 84, 97 to place very very high. I'm not jumping off the mountain top but I'm a realist. Also as a realist our future is damn bright with TnT's recruiting!

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

141 Kemerer would be a big hole filler. I don't understand why everyone thinks someone who wrestled 145 last year can't wrestle141 this year.

Jaydon Clayton wrestled 145 and is now wrestling 133 at mizzou how is it hard to think that someone who wrestled 145 can't wrestle 141

 

[SPOONER]

Jaydon Clayton wrestled 145 and is now wrestling 133 at mizzou how is it hard to think that someone who wrestled 145 can't wrestle 141

It's not hard to think at all. But it isn't some given just because "so and so" did it or has done it. It isn't that easy. Most wrestlers DON'T progress in that fashion. If he cut hard to get to 145 last year, 141 is unlikely this year. If he's cutting hard to get to 149, 141 is unlikely this year.