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You have no idea why I was banned. Go ahead and wait in the truck, son.

Not a troll. Independent thinker who enjoys discussions that don’t turn into personal attacks. Unfortunately, that’s all libs usually have now that we’re dealing with failure right before our eyes.
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"D’Souza then asks five conservative pundits, who supported President Trump’s re-election, what they think about the Trump’s charges of vote fraud. Almost to a man, they agree that, though the vote counting seemed rather irregular in the swing states, they’re still waiting for more proof that the Democrats engaged in actual or illegal vote shenanigans that affected the outcome. The five conservatives in this part of the movie are authors Sebastian Gorka, Dennis Prager, Larry Elder, Erik Metaxas, and Charlie Kirk, who also leads the conservative group Turning Point, which engages with young people, especially college students."

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
 
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"D’Souza then asks five conservative pundits, who supported President Trump’s re-election, what they think about the Trump’s charges of vote fraud. Almost to a man, they agree that, though the vote counting seemed rather irregular in the swing states, they’re still waiting for more proof that the Democrats engaged in actual or illegal vote shenanigans that affected the outcome. The five conservatives in this part of the movie are authors Sebastian Gorka, Dennis Prager, Larry Elder, Erik Metaxas, and Charlie Kirk, who also leads the conservative group Turning Point, which engages with young people, especially college students."

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
Look, if you don’t want to discuss the contents of the film, and just want to discredit/nitpick everything, that’s fine. But quit calling me a troll.
 
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Damn. That would be one hell of a cult I apparently belong to…. We could really use more intellectuals like yourself to teach everyone these grand ideas. “It’s all a lie!” Says guy who failed at business and hates capitalism now.
I’m not an intellectual but a pragmatist, and the latest company I cofounded earned $20M in revenue in year five, has been profitable for four of the five, has created 35 jobs, and our products prevent almost 200 tons of CO2 and other pollutants from entering the atmosphere every day. I’m sorry you consider that a failure.

Your fearless orange “president” only seems to be able to screw people over, avoid taxes, and drive companies into bankruptcy though. And he wins his way all the way to the White House and leave only destruction in his wake.

Trumpism is a cult. The Big Lie is an embarrassment and a seditious national tragedy and just might spell the end of this democracy. Stick to the point. And stop the baseless ad hominem attacks.
 
Look, if you don’t want to discuss the contents of the film, and just want to discredit/nitpick everything, that’s fine. But quit calling me a troll.
Sure. Let's discuss the contents of a film neither of us has seen.

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
 
I’m not an intellectual but a pragmatist, and the latest company I cofounded earned $20M in revenue in year five, has been profitable for four of the five, has created 35 jobs, and our products prevent almost 200 tons of CO2 and other pollutants from entering the atmosphere every day. I’m sorry you consider that a failure.

Your fearless orange “president” only seems to be able to screw people over, avoid taxes, and drive companies into bankruptcy though. And he wins his way all the way to the White House and leave only destruction in his wake.

Trumpism is a cult. The Big Lie is an embarrassment and a seditious national tragedy and just might spell the end of this democracy. Stick to the point. And stop the baseless ad hominem attacks.
I’m not a trumper, maybe stop pontificating when it’s clear that you’re completely FOS.
 


You'd THINK that all of the Republicans running for offices concerned about "Election Fraud" wouldn't be engaging in......


.....Election Fraud....

 
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You'd THINK that all of the Republicans running for offices concerned about "Election Fraud" wouldn't be engaging in......


.....Election Fraud....

I think I've said this before, but the GOP has always claimed government didn't work, and when they get in office they do their best to prove it. Now they claim their is lots of voter fraud, and in order to prove it, they commit lots of voter fraud.
 
Better list? LOL. Your list is...interesting...I'll say that. Let's pluck one at random. This is quite literally the first one I looked at.

Trump v Wisconsin Elections Commission et. al.. That would be one where you claim "evidence has not been examined". You claim the ruling was not based on the merits. You even claim NO EVIDENCE HEARD. Yet, here's the ruling from the 7th district:

After an evidentiary hearing, the district court rejected the President’s claims on the merits and entered judgment for the Case: 20-3414 Document: 91 Filed: 12/24/2020 Pages: 11 No. 20-3414 5 Commission and other defendants.

What, exactly, do you think they present at an "evidentiary hearing"? And how does "rejected...on the merits" = Non-Merit?

I take it back. Your list isn't interesting...it's FOS. You might want to "get your facts straight" and stop believing random bloggers on the internet.
Why are you so entirely incorrect each and every post? Did you even read what that case was about that you said you picked "at random"? No, you didn't. There was no evidence of fraud discussed in that case. The case was based on the below: GET IT RIGHT for once would you?!

"Plaintiff, Donald Trump, alleges that defendants, local government officials in Wisconsin, undermined the election. Specifically, plaintiff alleges that defendants ignored limits on the availability of mail-in balloting, created ballot dropboxes, did not provide adequate access to poll observers, "eliminated state laws requiring that voters provide information on the mail-in ballot envelope," and permitted election workers to alter ballots. Plaintiff claims that the alleged conduct violates both the Elections and Electors Clauses. As remedy, plaintiff requests that the result of the Wisconsin election be remanded to the Wisconsin state legislature."

From John Lott's report:

Courts frequently have rejected Republican challenges to the 2020 presidential vote, citing the lack of evidence of enough fraud to alter the outcome in a particular state. Republicans sometimes argued that since their observers couldn’t watch the vote counts, they couldn’t provide such evidence without investigations backed by subpoena power. Still, while some courts agreed that irregularities had occurred in 2020, they weren’t willing to grant discovery unless Republicans first presented enough evidence of fraud that could overturn the election. Republicans thus faced a kind of Catch 22.


You are maddening to talk to because you are so ridiculous with your arguments and you get it wrong ALL the time. The information is clear as day, evidence of fraud has NOT been heard in the courts regarding the 2020 election. The link I provided listing the cases and their outcomes is 100% correct.
 
I think I've said this before, but the GOP has always claimed government didn't work, and when they get in office they do their best to prove it. Now they claim their is lots of voter fraud, and in order to prove it, they commit lots of voter fraud.
It’s pretty clear for anyone that the government at the federal level is completely oversized and inefficient. Now you’re proposing some crazy conspiracy where they’re governing in a way to make it appear this way. Look at the admin in DC. They must be in on it as well.
 
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I already provided the information in this thread.
No. You haven't.

LIST the accepted claims of fraud that were presented in court cases and NOT thrown out.
The bullshit that judges wouldn't allow, because it was not based in facts does not count.
 
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No. You haven't.

LIST the accepted claims of fraud that were presented in court cases and NOT thrown out.
The bullshit that judges wouldn't allow, because it was not based in facts does not count.
Already gave you links to the site that did this. Go see for yourself. This nonsense claim that evidence of fraud was heard by the courts is total garbage. Once again since you're not bright enough to read:

Courts frequently have rejected Republican challenges to the 2020 presidential vote, citing the lack of evidence of enough fraud to alter the outcome in a particular state. Republicans sometimes argued that since their observers couldn’t watch the vote counts, they couldn’t provide such evidence without investigations backed by subpoena power. Still, while some courts agreed that irregularities had occurred in 2020, they weren’t willing to grant discovery unless Republicans first presented enough evidence of fraud that could overturn the election. Republicans thus faced a kind of Catch 22.
 
Why are you so entirely incorrect each and every post? Did you even read what that case was about that you said you picked "at random"? No, you didn't. There was no evidence of fraud discussed in that case. The case was based on the below: GET IT RIGHT for once would you?!

"Plaintiff, Donald Trump, alleges that defendants, local government officials in Wisconsin, undermined the election. Specifically, plaintiff alleges that defendants ignored limits on the availability of mail-in balloting, created ballot dropboxes, did not provide adequate access to poll observers, "eliminated state laws requiring that voters provide information on the mail-in ballot envelope," and permitted election workers to alter ballots. Plaintiff claims that the alleged conduct violates both the Elections and Electors Clauses. As remedy, plaintiff requests that the result of the Wisconsin election be remanded to the Wisconsin state legislature."

From John Lott's report:

Courts frequently have rejected Republican challenges to the 2020 presidential vote, citing the lack of evidence of enough fraud to alter the outcome in a particular state. Republicans sometimes argued that since their observers couldn’t watch the vote counts, they couldn’t provide such evidence without investigations backed by subpoena power. Still, while some courts agreed that irregularities had occurred in 2020, they weren’t willing to grant discovery unless Republicans first presented enough evidence of fraud that could overturn the election. Republicans thus faced a kind of Catch 22.


You are maddening to talk to because you are so ridiculous with your arguments and you get it wrong ALL the time. The information is clear as day, evidence of fraud has NOT been heard in the courts regarding the 2020 election. The link I provided listing the cases and their outcomes is 100% correct.
Not. One. Word. Of. What. You. Just. Posted. Is. Remotely. On. Point.

You presented that list as comprehensive. You presented their total numbers as fact. I quite literally pick one case and looked at the decision.

Your "list" presented the fiction that there was NO evidence presented in THAT case. That it was decided as a Non-Merit case. Period. End of story. The ruling presents the exact opposite reality. Your list-makers lied about THAT case. Period. End of story. It's like bumping a haystack and three needles pop out. The logical assumption would be that the haystack is full of needles. Explain how they got THAT case 100% wrong. Respond on point this time.

As for your claim that the case doesn't involve allegations of fraud...Specifically, plaintiff alleges that defendants ignored limits on the availability of mail-in balloting, created ballot dropboxes, did not provide adequate access to poll observers, "eliminated state laws requiring that voters provide information on the mail-in ballot envelope," and permitted election workers to alter ballots. Plaintiff claims that the alleged conduct violates both the Elections and Electors Clauses..

That certainly quacks like a fraud duck.
 
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Not. One. Word. Of. What. You. Just. Posted. Is. Remotely. On. Point.

You presented that list as comprehensive. You presented their total numbers as fact. I quite literally pick one case and looked at the decision.

Your "list" presented the fiction that there was NO evidence presented in THAT case. That it was decided as a Non-Merit case. Period. End of story. The ruling presents the exact opposite reality. Your list-makers lied about THAT case. Period. End of story. It's like bumping a haystack and three needles pop out. The logical assumption would be that the haystack is full of needles. Explain how they got THAT case 100% wrong. Respond on point this time.

As for your claim that the case doesn't involve allegations of fraud...Specifically, plaintiff alleges that defendants ignored limits on the availability of mail-in balloting, created ballot dropboxes, did not provide adequate access to poll observers, "eliminated state laws requiring that voters provide information on the mail-in ballot envelope," and permitted election workers to alter ballots. Plaintiff claims that the alleged conduct violates both the Elections and Electors Clauses..

That certainly quacks like a fraud duck.
Quit deflecting. Just address his post.
 
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Already gave you links to the site that did this. Go see for yourself. This nonsense claim that evidence of fraud was heard by the courts is total garbage. Once again since you're not bright enough to read:

Courts frequently have rejected Republican challenges to the 2020 presidential vote, citing the lack of evidence of enough fraud to alter the outcome in a particular state. Republicans sometimes argued that since their observers couldn’t watch the vote counts, they couldn’t provide such evidence without investigations backed by subpoena power. Still, while some courts agreed that irregularities had occurred in 2020, they weren’t willing to grant discovery unless Republicans first presented enough evidence of fraud that could overturn the election. Republicans thus faced a kind of Catch 22.
Imagine that. A court of law requiring actual evidence.

So unfair.
 
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LOL...look at you sticking up for yourself. 'His" job is to address MY point. "He" has yet to do so. Troll
Just trying to keep it civil and on topic. You continue to drive the conversation away from the evidence and into personal territory.
 
It’s pretty clear for anyone that the government at the federal level is completely oversized and inefficient. Now you’re proposing some crazy conspiracy where they’re governing in a way to make it appear this way. Look at the admin in DC. They must be in on it as well.

It is a humorous observation.
 
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Not. One. Word. Of. What. You. Just. Posted. Is. Remotely. On. Point.

You presented that list as comprehensive. You presented their total numbers as fact. I quite literally pick one case and looked at the decision.

Your "list" presented the fiction that there was NO evidence presented in THAT case. That it was decided as a Non-Merit case. Period. End of story. The ruling presents the exact opposite reality. Your list-makers lied about THAT case. Period. End of story. It's like bumping a haystack and three needles pop out. The logical assumption would be that the haystack is full of needles. Explain how they got THAT case 100% wrong. Respond on point this time.

As for your claim that the case doesn't involve allegations of fraud...Specifically, plaintiff alleges that defendants ignored limits on the availability of mail-in balloting, created ballot dropboxes, did not provide adequate access to poll observers, "eliminated state laws requiring that voters provide information on the mail-in ballot envelope," and permitted election workers to alter ballots. Plaintiff claims that the alleged conduct violates both the Elections and Electors Clauses..

That certainly quacks like a fraud duck.
Just trying to keep it civil and on topic. You continue to drive the conversation away from the evidence and into personal territory.
That’s what he does best
 
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It’s where you take a conversation when you’re afraid of truth coming out. Particularly if it gives credence to anything trump has said. TDS

That's such a stupid and tired argument and completely unsurprising coming from you.

There is no truth to come out of this film D'Souza has presented himself as the same type of shallow troll that you have here. He puts in no effort and wants millions to pay and believe.
 
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That's such a stupid and tired argument and completely unsurprising coming from you.

There is no truth to come out of this film D'Souza has presented himself as the same type of shallow troll that you have here. He puts in no effort and wants millions to pay and believe.
Sort of like Al Gore then? Michael Moore?
 
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It’s where you take a conversation when you’re afraid of truth coming out. Particularly if it gives credence to anything trump has said. TDS
Once again spaghetti against the wall. The guy talks a ton of shit. Just because there might be a kernel of truth here or there doesn't mean he owns a silo of facts. Things must be put in perspective. 160 million votes done across 50 different locations with there own set of controls, rules, procedures, etc. And more than likely errors that amounted to rounding. This isn't any different than any other system accounting for 100's of millions of transactions. Unless elections went nationalized and fully automated the error rate probably couldn't come much closer to perfection. That purist want.
 
SUUUUUUPER independent.

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
Clearly. Liberal vs. conservative documentaries. I suppose gore and Moore are impartial spreading truths and this film isn’t in your eyes? A film, mind you, that you haven’t seen. I have provided reviews, including an unbiased one from a website.
 
Once again spaghetti against the wall. The guy talks a ton of shit. Just because there might be a kernel of truth here or there doesn't mean he owns a silo of facts. Things must be put in perspective. 160 million votes done across 50 different locations with there own set of controls, rules, procedures, etc. And more than likely errors that amounted to rounding. This isn't any different than any other system accounting for 100's of millions of transactions. Unless elections went nationalized and fully automated the error rate probably couldn't come much closer to perfection. That purist want.
Again, I’m not alleging a full blown conspiracy that actually determined a winner here. Just that whatever was being pushed after the election is not completely made up. 🤷‍♂️ guess we can’t interpret for ourselves.
 
Clearly. Liberal vs. conservative documentaries. I suppose gore and Moore are impartial spreading truths and this film isn’t in your eyes? A film, mind you, that you haven’t seen. I have provided reviews, including an unbiased one from a website.
Most reasonable people would look at the filmmakers, the topics being covered, and conclude that both pieces are biased and full of partisan talking points. For some reason you feel compelled to present this movie as truth, and blame everyone who doesn't agree with it as grand conspirators trying to silence it.
 
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Clearly. Liberal vs. conservative documentaries. I suppose gore and Moore are impartial spreading truths and this film isn’t in your eyes? A film, mind you, that you haven’t seen. I have provided reviews, including an unbiased one from a website.
I never said that. However, you have spent 8 pages suggesting that D’Souza is impartially spreading truths in a "groundbreaking" film you haven't seen yet.

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
 
Most reasonable people would look at the filmmakers, the topics being covered, and conclude that both pieces are biased and full of partisan talking points. For some reason you feel compelled to present this movie as truth, and blame everyone who doesn't agree with it as grand conspirators trying to silence it.
Link to me presenting this movie as truth? Just gotta love the traveling troupe of bobble heads putting words in my mouth all day.
 
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I never said that. However, you have spent 8 pages suggesting that D’Souza is impartially spreading truths in a "groundbreaking" film you haven't seen yet.

Banned for trolling but totally not a troll.
I have not insisted any of those things. I have linked others’ opinions on the matter and asked a series of questions. Hell, I’ve said probably 10 times ITT that I don’t believe a widespread conspiracy occurred.
 
I have not insisted any of those things. I have linked others’ opinions on the matter and asked a series of questions. Hell, I’ve said probably 10 times ITT that I don’t believe a widespread conspiracy occurred.
Why did you refer to the film as groundbreaking?
 
Again, I’m not alleging a full blown conspiracy that actually determined a winner here. Just that whatever was being pushed after the election is not completely made up. 🤷‍♂️ guess we can’t interpret for ourselves.
Dems have points as well. Voter roll purges. Not enough voting precincts for larger urban areas. Misleading ads about what is or isn't voter fraud.
This stuff was studied by a former Republican and Democrat joint commission. Shocking they delivered a report that called for changes. Republicans rejected changes that would hurt them. Dems did the same about changes that felt damaged their voters. Bottomline what we have is fair and the losing side always cries foul about the system. Difference is never had a cult leader willing to ignore all norms before and put himself above the system.
 
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