I'm a little out of the loop on recruiting for 2017. Connor is a great start. Who else does Iowa have a chance to add?
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Only Jok and Jones. And Jones may get a medical. Baer deserves a scholarship, too. So we might not have any.... Unless Fran pays Connor's way for a year or two. That would still leave no scholarship available, as it should go to Baer...
Although maybe Baer, like Connor, maybe willing to forgo a season or 2 without a scholarship. Both would most certainly be a benefit to the team
Although maybe Baer, like Connor, maybe willing to forgo a season or 2 without a scholarship. Both would most certainly be a benefit to the team
Is Iowa not like (seemingly) every other university/college in that an employees children attend for free? Why do Fran's kids need a scholarship? (Same with Kirk's kids as well I guess) Always wondered this when people talk about scholarships for coaches kids.
I work for the university. My kids aren't college age yet, but my understanding is it is a few credits that are free, not the entire tuition. Around 4 semester hours per semester.
Nice to know. Must be difference between public and private schools? I have friends whose mom worked at a sister school to the one they attended and everything was paid for due to the school relationships. They are both private schools in iowa though. I guess everyone I know that has gone for free, or had children go for free, were at private schools.
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We have one scholarship available in this class and I think it will go to a Center. Jeremiah Tilmon and Malik Williams are Fran's likely top two targets. If someone were to transfer after this or next season that scholarship will go to Baer instead of recruiting class. If nobody transfers I would guess Fran gives Baer his son's scholarship and pays for Connor's school until a scholarship is open. That would depend on transfers as well because the '18 class is already full with Wieskamp since Uhl is our only Sophomore. So unless a transfer occurs he would have to wait and take a scholarship from the '19 class. Which would be helpful in balancing the classes a bit.
what? ... since when? ... worked at University for nearly 30 years..there was nothing "given" to children of university employees...oldest daughter graduated from Iowa...no free nothing..
retired last April so maybe something has changed?...but didn't think so...have several family members that are currently on staff...another merit staff...they have not said anything..
Agree with the list for a big. But Nunge is a guy who could have Uthoff potential. I might move him up a little.
If we got Tilmon, I'd imagine he could be a one or two and done, so maybe Fran could pay Connor's way 1 or 2 years then put him on scholly...
As has been stated over and over, state schools do not pay tuition for employees's children. I know that some private schools do as I have a friend whose son is attending Cornell in Mt Vernon for free because he works there. Very nice benefit! Not available at Iowa!
Regarding the OP, if DJ gets a 6th year for medical hardship (he already red shirted but he meets the requirements for a medical hardship year), then he will slide to Uhl's class and Iowa will only have PJ's scholarship to give for the 2017 (Connor McC) class. If Connor elects to walk on, then Iowa would have that scholarship for either Baer or a new recruit.
If DJ's scholarship slides to Uhl's class, then Iowa will be able to take another scholarship player in it. As it is, they are full with Weiskamp already committed and only 1 scholarship currently for that class.
This all assumes that no one leaves.
Edit: The Scholarship Distribution Chart is a great help for those of us who are looking for this type of information.
Regarding the OP, if DJ gets a 6th year for medical hardship (he already red shirted but he meets the requirements for a medical hardship year), then he will slide to Uhl's class and Iowa will only have PJ's scholarship to give for the 2017 (Connor McC) class. If Connor elects to walk on, then Iowa would have that scholarship for either Baer or a new recruit.
If DJ's scholarship slides to Uhl's class, then Iowa will be able to take another scholarship player in it. As it is, they are full with Weiskamp already committed and only 1 scholarship currently for that class.
This all assumes that no one leaves.
Edit: The Scholarship Distribution Chart is a great help for those of us who are looking for this type of information.
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Doesn't it make the most sense for a coach making over a million dollars, who is paid based on how his team plays to take advantage, and not give his sons a scholarship thus opening it up for yet another great player to come aboard or at the very least give to Baer.
Because they have earned it.
If Fran doesn't give his son's scholarships, and uses them for, say, Top 50 players, he's going to have a huge turnover issue as he won't be able to give enough guys enough playing time to keep them happy. Having 15-16 scholarship worthy players these days isn't necessarily a good thing.
If the goal is to field the best team, then those who do not like it because they aren't playing, can leave it.
You don't need Connor and Pat to walk on to field the best team. Fran isn't going to play 13-15 guys each year, other than in blowouts. I'm confident enough in his coaching and recruiting to think they can compete at the highest levels (meaning playing for conference titles and Elite8/Final berths) without resorting to walking on his own sons.
If Tilmon wants to come to Iowa, you find a way to make it happen, one and done or not. He is a game changer.
If we don't have enough scholarships right now, then it must be a problem. The guys we recruit currently are 3-4 year players, thus never opening a scholarship, which is fine as long as they are developing. I am not saying we go all in for the 1 & done, but do we gain anything by locking in 2 sons who are coming anyways?
Depends on how you look at transfers. If you consider nearly all transfers bad, then you probably don't want 15 scholarship worthy players. IMO if the transfers are recruiting mistakes, and players without much chance of becoming productive over their first 3 seasons, then it can be a good thing.
In general I probably wouldn't be in favor of Fran's sons walking on, but we have limited scholarships at a time when the program is gaining notoriety nationally. If we finish well in the B1G this year, and make some noise in the NCAA's, Fran may have some doors open to him that weren't in his first few seasons. Even though taking Top 100 talent might lead to a transfer or two, I think it could really benefit the program. I could see how using Connor's scholarship might really be a good short term solution.
Private schools use this benefit as a way to attract employees. My sister-in-law works for a private college and while the pay is less than the public school counterparts, she took the job with the private school because of the free tuition. At the time she had 5 kids who would be going to college and that free tuition more than made up for the reduction in salary.
I will trust Fran to do whatever he thinks is best for the Iowa program regarding Connor's scholly. I think Fran has earned that. If he thinks Connor deserves it, give it to him. Doesn't matter one bit to me, nor should it to you.
Idk really, but I seriously doubt Fran's kids walk on. Is there no rule regarding that? Seems like it would be an unfair advantage. Then again, so does hiring a recruits parent as an assistant coach and that is allowed.
As far as I'm aware of that's now irrelevant since walkons get all the same privileges and benefits other than tuition cost.
I could be wrong on that but that's how i understand it.
Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.
So you would rather Baer remain a walkon?
Someone will probably transfer but if not that's the only place a scholy is coming from.
Yes he has but that does not mean if our staff pressed the issue he would not reconsider. He's probably bagging the offer he knows is good at this time. That's smart. It sounds like Dayton and Xavier are interested also. Both schools recruit excellent athletes and players.
I understand we have other fish to fry on our list. I just really like this kid and he seems like the type of player with the type of attributes that excels with Fran. Not a huge deal and I certainly trust Fran on who he brings in.
How would you determine when it's fair and when it's not for a coaches son to walk-on? If you take away the ability of a coach to have his children play for him as walk-on's, then the child who isn't scholarship material couldn't play for his dad. I believe Alford has 2 sons playing for him, and one is a walk-on because he isn't scholarship material.
I don't like the idea of the NCAA deciding who can be a walk-on and who can't. Iowa FB has benefitted from walk-on's becoming starters for decades. Is it fair for the NCAA to tell Uthoff he couldn't walk-on at Iowa while waiting out the mandatory redshirt season when he transferred? IMO teams and sports fans lose a lot if the NCAA takes away the ability of players to pay their own way.
Theres no rule about anyone with eligibility walking on anywhere and doubt theres ever been any consideration of it.
I see what you're saying. If I were Fran or Kirk and had talented sons I would have them walk-on so I could effectively give myself an extra scholarship-level player that other programs don't have. It's not like they can't afford the tuition. Of course this idea is met with psychotic hate on Hawkeye boards because dumb people don't employ chess logic when thinking of ways to gain a strategic advantage over your rivals. In Fran's case working with (effectively) 14 scholarship players while other teams are limited to 13 would be a nice little advantage that could theoretically help garner more wins.
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The thing is it allows a flexibility that others don't have hence an advantage.
With the situations with Baer and Jones it allows Fran flexibility.
The idea that you can't play 14 is stupid, you can't play 13, 12, 11, and usually 10. Does that mean you shouldn't fill those? Its a completely illogical argument.
Yes you are likely to have someone transfer.....some one that wasn't good enough to break into the rotation. Who cares?
Posted something like this on another thread but here it is again.
1) At this time we have thirteen scholarship players and one walkon by the name of Nick Baer who everyone including Fran McCaffery has said should get a scholarship.
2) We have exactly four seniors and four players coming from the 2016 class. At this moment then we are full until 2017 and still looking for a scholarship for Baer.
3) Dale Jones is attempting to earn a 6th year due to his injuries. If he succeeds, we have just one "senior" next year, Peter Jok, and one commitment, Conner McCaffery, and we're still looking for a scholarship for Baer.
4.) Finally in 2018 We will see Uhl depart, and Jones. We have one commitment in Joe Wieskamp and there's the scholarship for Baer, finally by the time he is a senior.
That is all without Conner McCaffery walking on of course, or any transfers. Whether Conner walks on or not is in my opinion entirely up to the McCaffery family. Obviously we all could debate the value of such a decision but we haven't a say in the decision and I for one am not going to hold Fran, assistants, or anyone in the future who happens to be employed by the U of I responsible to pay their own kids way if he deserves a scholarship.
As to transfers, clearly only time will tell. We need to keep recruiting on the chance scholarships become available. But, I do not support Creaning, I realize many folks on here don't understand exactly what that is...I suggest looking it up.
1) At this time we have thirteen scholarship players and one walkon by the name of Nick Baer who everyone including Fran McCaffery has said should get a scholarship.
2) We have exactly four seniors and four players coming from the 2016 class. At this moment then we are full until 2017 and still looking for a scholarship for Baer.
3) Dale Jones is attempting to earn a 6th year due to his injuries. If he succeeds, we have just one "senior" next year, Peter Jok, and one commitment, Conner McCaffery, and we're still looking for a scholarship for Baer.
4.) Finally in 2018 We will see Uhl depart, and Jones. We have one commitment in Joe Wieskamp and there's the scholarship for Baer, finally by the time he is a senior.
That is all without Conner McCaffery walking on of course, or any transfers. Whether Conner walks on or not is in my opinion entirely up to the McCaffery family. Obviously we all could debate the value of such a decision but we haven't a say in the decision and I for one am not going to hold Fran, assistants, or anyone in the future who happens to be employed by the U of I responsible to pay their own kids way if he deserves a scholarship.
As to transfers, clearly only time will tell. We need to keep recruiting on the chance scholarships become available. But, I do not support Creaning, I realize many folks on here don't understand exactly what that is...I suggest looking it up.
I am guessing Baer is already on a full Academic ride in Iowa, why wasting an athletic scholarship.
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