So rich kids shouldn't be eligible for athletic scholarships, got it. What income level should we use to define as rich????
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So rich kids shouldn't be eligible for athletic scholarships, got it. What income level should we use to define as rich????
My response was directly based on a post I was responding too that said something to the effect of 'Connor has yet to prove what he can do beyond the high school level while Baer has proven he can contribute at the B1G level.' Quite honestly that type of bullshit doesn't belong on this board so, yes, my post was over the top but done so to mock that post.
I will state one more time, if CM wasn't Fran's kid none of these discussions would be happening and most here would be creaming their shorts over Fran landing CM. The kid has earned his scholarship and should get it. Fran doesn't need to play games and Fran will reward NB a ship when it makes sense for the program (that is his decision...not ours).
Not sure how it is going to happen, but I will be surprised if Baer isn't on scholarship for at least a couple of years. If it comes down to Fran's kids not being on scholarship, I think that would be a personal decision by Fran and his sons. I am not sure why Fran's sons would care whether they were on scholarship, if it had no impact on their ability to play.
If you are talking about free tuition for coaches kids that has been proven untrue many times on the board
That's all I'm trying to say as well, it's up to the McCaffery clan whether their kids are on scholarship or walkon.
Why do you keep bringing up the hypothetical of CM not being the coach's son? That's the whole point of the discussion. I don't care if CM was the #1 recruit in the nation, the right thing is for the school to bump Fran's pay and give up the scholly. Barta should proactively take care of it, and not even make it a decision for Fran.
It is indeed up to Fran and Margaret as both Conner and Patrick are very deserving of scholarships. It is the balance between not marginalizing Conner and Patrick's value versus political savvy and diplomacy coupled with doing everything they can do maximize IA's chance to win (provided it complies with regulations).
At the end of the day, in my opinion, they both strike me as far too competitive and diplomatic (despite both's past fiery and abrupt nature sometimes) and politically savvy to not pay both Conner and Patrick's way all four years each. Conner and Patrick have/will be formally offered and accept the scholarships to send the message that both are indeed worthy and ultimately they will rescind their scholarships.
As others have mentioned, Fran and Barta will be renegotiating his contract at some upcoming point and this could very well be a "behind closed doors" discussion. In-state tuition at a public university is chump change regardless for somebody with Fran's income level.
Again, I certainly wouldn't begrudge the McCaffery family for accepting the rides though. They deserve it.
All conjecture on my part of course.
At the end of the day, in my opinion, they both strike me as far too competitive and diplomatic (despite both's past fiery and abrupt nature sometimes) and politically savvy to not pay both Conner and Patrick's way all four years each. Conner and Patrick have/will be formally offered and accept the scholarships to send the message that both are indeed worthy and ultimately they will rescind their scholarships.
As others have mentioned, Fran and Barta will be renegotiating his contract at some upcoming point and this could very well be a "behind closed doors" discussion. In-state tuition at a public university is chump change regardless for somebody with Fran's income level.
Again, I certainly wouldn't begrudge the McCaffery family for accepting the rides though. They deserve it.
All conjecture on my part of course.
I think Fran is likely to get a pretty decent raise based on team performance (on and off the court). I suspect that will more than cover the cost of his sons' education, if the family chooses to pay for it.
I imagine a guy making close to $1.5 million per year with guaranteed contract would be considered rich, though not as rich as KF. Being and insider in the NCAA basketball/football money making machine is a good gig.
My guess is someone transfers, so Connor walking on seems likely a long, entertaining discussion about nothing.
We have a good thing going with Fran's personality and coaching ability and style fitting in well to the Iowa City fish bowl. He is lot better fit than Lute the Complainer.
Very few if any coaches in major college sports leave on great terms, you usually move up or get fired.
Iowa media is about as softball as it gets for how big of a deal Iowa sports are to the people here.
Yeah there's lots of places you could coach where the majority of people you run across have no idea who you are but you aren't going to make the same money or compete on the same level.
Compare Iowa to say Indiana.
I am in the boat that Fran should just pay for his kids tuition and use the scholarships to get even more talent on the roster.
Why not? He can easily afford it. I know his kids are "worthy" of the scholarships, but if you can get another couple quality guys on your roster, why NOT do that?
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Why not? He can easily afford it. I know his kids are "worthy" of the scholarships, but if you can get another couple quality guys on your roster, why NOT do that?
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Wow you are this dense.
Do you realize you're failing to even comprehend the basic idea of this discussion?
No one is questioning CMs ability., we know his talent warrants a scholy. He could be the number 1 recruit in the world and it would make zero difference to what's being discussed.
You are right, all rich kids should be ineligible for athletic scholarships.
BTW, are we on Cedar Falls sophomore AJ Green at all?
Kid had 32 points last night, looks to be pretty legit.
Kid had 32 points last night, looks to be pretty legit.
Give it up, you can't even stay on topic. It's not about being rich it's about the fact that the school can pay the scholarship through an increase in Fran's salary. It give Iowa the flexibility to get in late on some recruits or 5th year transfers.
Quotes I am responding to:
'Connor has yet to prove what he can do beyond the high school level while Baer has proven he can contribute at the B1G level.'
Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.
So Connor has earned it more than Baer? That doesn't really make sense if you think about it.
I especially like this one that asks for our AD to commit a probable NCAA violation:
I'm sure there's financial incentives for wins in his contract and as someone pointed out Barta can give him a raise to cover the cost if he was actually worried about it.
Question. Those who think that Conner should walkon. Is this hypothetical talk or what happens if Fran doesn't pay his kid's own way?
IMO, many smart reasons can be expressed as to why it is a great idea, but it isn't really any of our business is it?
IMO, many smart reasons can be expressed as to why it is a great idea, but it isn't really any of our business is it?
Dan maybe you didn't get the memo but Fran is rich and the coach and NB doesn't have parents that are the coach or rich so Fran should pay NBs way. We have 2-3 posters that are basically saying that Fran should pay for NBs college out of his pocket.
As I have stated before, I think NB is deserving of a scholarship but he is not deserving of someone else scholarship; current or offered. When one becomes available, and it makes sense for the program, I assume Fran will reward him with one but Fran doesn't need to pay NBs way through school (which is what people here are asking even if they cannot connect the dots).
Maybe you missed it but mostly people are asking Fran to give Connor's ship to NB.
And how the hell is the NCAA going to prove a raise was only intended to cover the coach's son's scholarship? JFC.
So commit a potential NCAA violation (even though it is likely to never be something Iowa could have pinned on them). No thanks, Connor earned that scholarship, he was offered that scholarship. Now if Fran and Connor wants to use it elsewhere that is on them but I have a feeling, based on what is being said here, some fans will be pissed at the coach if he decides to give the ship to the player he has already offered it to.
I don't think Connor should be treated any differently than any other recruit.
Next question then. Jones gets his sixth year. No one transfers. Jeremiah Tilman, the 5 star kid says he wants to come to Iowa. NOW what do folks think? We can't give Baer a scholarship a year from now, his junior year, unless Conner walks on but then we still have to tell Tilman we've got no ride.
Do we Crean someone? Does Conner walkon but Baer, who we said we want to find a scholarship for, get told he aint getting one yet? (Again, his junior year.)
This isn't just for unIowa, what do others think?
Lol, way to take the moral high ground. Your arguments keep getting worse. It's about giving yourself the maximum flexibility and acquiring the most talent possible since there is always going to misses in the recruiting process.
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My opinion has always been that it is Fran's and Connor's call and their call alone. I wouldn't think any different of them if they said "sorry we are full up".
Mine was a hypothetical in which no one transfers at the end of this season. If Jones gets another season, and Baer gets a scholarship we are without much opportunity at a time when the program has given recruits more reason to show interest. I'll back Fran no matter whether he pays Connors way or not. He's built a competitive program from the bottom up, and earned our trust.
I do think we'll have at least 1 transfer at the end of this season or next, but if it's at the end of next season (2016-17) it may not give us time to find a good 2017 prospect.
I think his point is (and I could be wrong) is why does the status of the parents matter? What if Bohannon, Pemsl, or Kreiner (for example) had rich parents and didn't 'need' the scholarship? Should one of those guys give up their scholarship to Baer? Or, how about any current player on the roster now? What if Uthoff had rich parents or he knew he was going to the pros as a lottery pick? He doesn't need a scholarship, so why doesn't he give his up?
Now, I know Doug McDermott gave up his scholarship for Grant Gibbs to get a 6th year at Creighton? How come Kentucky or Duke players who are going pro even need scholarships? They could pay off their one year in school easily when they get drafted. And yes, I realize those programs don't have walkons who are playing that could get a scholarship at this point, but it's possible.
It's a very interesting question. Personally, I believe Baer signed up for 4/5 years at Iowa as a walkon. I don't think he will go anywhere else if he thought he could get a scholarship (I could be wrong). So, I think if a scholarship becomes available, and there is no big time recruit on the horizon, Baer will get this scholarship (much as this kid at LSU did).
Yep. And Notre Dame just payed the last multi-million dollar installment for Charlie Weiss, who coached there about 5,6,7 years ago. Don't ever cry for a College or Professional Coach that gets fired. There is no greater gig on the Planet Earth.
By all accounts Nick Baer and his family love him being a Hawkeye. But if I'm Nick Baer I say give me the scholarship or I'll go somewhere where they will. Which would take all of about 20 seconds of game tape to make it happen.
So either you get into the world of reality or you can stick your head in the sand or up your ass, whichever suits you, and realize Nick Baer is a DI scholarship athlete, either Iowa gives it to him or someone else will.
Do you always conduct you're self in such an illogical manner?
Its just a bunch of emotional nonsense.
You're have no actual reason to base your opinion on.
And Fran would have to be a complete imbecile to take that approach.
Pass on a top 25 type player because he doesn't want to pay for a year of instate tuition?
Do you realize how absurd what you're suggesting is?
There is not a single coach in America who would make such an idiotic move if give the option.
It would be like someone offering to sell you a poresch for $100 and passing because it was to expensive.
My opinion has always been (and you can go back and read my post stating it):
Connor is deserving of a scholarship. Connor was offered a scholarship and has verbally committed. Coaches shouldn't take scholarships away from current players or committed player to give to someone else (such as NB). I have also stated that NB is deserving of a ship and when one becomes available and makes sense Fran will most likely reward him with one (just look at his history with giving walk-ons a ship when one is available). I have also stated that Fran and Connor could decide to give his scholarship to NB but it is totally up to them and NO ONE should think any differently.
It is folks like you that have put reprehensible comments in this post with things like; "it would look pretty bad...", "he is rich...", "The U could just pay him more to cover it..." etc. Problem is people like you will be upset if Connor gets a scholarship and NB doesn't after next season. While I will be happy that we have added another top 100 player to the roster.
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