2017 recruiting

[unIowa]

And Fran would have to be a complete imbecile to take that approach.

Pass on a top 25 type player because he doesn't want to pay for a year of instate tuition?

Do you realize how absurd what you're suggesting is?

There is not a single coach in America who would make such an idiotic move if give the option.

It would be like someone offering to sell you a poresch for $100 and passing because it was to expensive.

KF has put his deserving kids on scholarship.

 

[RocknRollface]

KF has put his deserving kids on scholarship.

What's your point?

You need to follow along allot better.

Were discussing specific hypothetical either or scenarios.

This is ridiculous that you can't follow along.

Every objection you have had is either irrelevant or not what's being talked about.

 

[DanL53]

Doug McDermott was on scholarship for 3 of his 4 seasons.

And Alford has a kid on scholarship. And Ferentz had kids on scholarship. And I'm sure I could find several more going all the way back to Pistol Pete being on scholarship.

 

[unIowa]

You're missing the point.

Getting the best players he can is the



What's your point?

You need to follow along allot better.

Were discussing specific hypothetical either or scenarios.

This is ridiculous that you can't follow along.

Every objection you have had is either irrelevant or not what's being talked about.

You said no coach wouldn't make that decision, I showed you two that did. Those two coaches could have used their kids scholarships to get more players.

Also you said getting the best players he can is the point. But you also stated that the ship should be given to NB who is already on the team. Did Nicholas tell you he planned on leaving if not given a scholarship? Spill it...you must know something!

Problem with your argument is that it is falling apart and your approach is to treat a talented kid differently than others bc he is the coaches kid. I hope Fran doesn't plan on treating his boys that play for him differently than any of the others on the team.

 

[unIowa]

And Alford has a kid on scholarship. And Ferentz had kids on scholarship. And I'm sure I could find several more going all the way back to Pistol Pete being on scholarship.

How is that possible, we were just told this:

There is not a single coach in America who would make such an idiotic move if give the option.

 

[DanL53]

How is that possible, we were just told this:

There is not a single coach in America who would make such an idiotic move if give the option.

Yeah, but let's give RocknRollface some credit to, he's taking about a single hypothetical where a coach is looking at a choice between a five star talent or a scholarship for his own kid, who he could have walkon anyway.

You get both one way. The other you don't. I get the point. The thing is, I believe this is McCaffery's business and whatever and however it turns out it's up to him. I mean, obviously those of us with wives who can still have kids ought to be lining them up to be impregnated by McCaffery, or Devyn Marble, or whoever it takes, right? How dare we not.

It's the same thing, just because something is a good idea doesn't make it the right idea.

 

[buttermypancakes]

How is that possible, we were just told this:

There is not a single coach in America who would make such an idiotic move if give the option.

UCLA has had trouble retaining players and I think they have less than 10 scholarship players. Alford is obviously not going to pay for Bryce's scholarship if he has a bunch of open ones.

As far as Mcdermott, Greg paid for Doug's scholarship as soon as it made sense and there was another deserving player. The reason this is even an issue is because Fran has done such a great job of retaining players and we have a full roster. Most schools have issues with attrition so these scenarios don't come into play.

It's apples to oranges when you're talking about football. In basketball one player can be a program changer.

 

[RocknRollface]

I think his point is (and I could be wrong) is why does the status of the parents matter? What if Bohannon, Pemsl, or Kreiner (for example) had rich parents and didn't 'need' the scholarship? Should one of those guys give up their scholarship to Baer? Or, how about any current player on the roster now? What if Uthoff had rich parents or he knew he was going to the pros as a lottery pick? He doesn't need a scholarship, so why doesn't he give his up?

Now, I know Doug McDermott gave up his scholarship for Grant Gibbs to get a 6th year at Creighton? How come Kentucky or Duke players who are going pro even need scholarships? They could pay off their one year in school easily when they get drafted. And yes, I realize those programs don't have walkons who are playing that could get a scholarship at this point, but it's possible.

It's a very interesting question. Personally, I believe Baer signed up for 4/5 years at Iowa as a walkon. I don't think he will go anywhere else if he thought he could get a scholarship (I could be wrong). So, I think if a scholarship becomes available, and there is no big time recruit on the horizon, Baer will get this scholarship (much as this kid at LSU did).

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Again, It's Fran's job to run the team.

Doing what's best for the team is actually more beneficial to him in the long run.

Nick Baer has provided a service to Fran.

 

[sloehawk]

Who's scholarship do you suggest he takes?

There are several hundred DI Basketball Schools in America. Go find one with an open scholarship. Should take about 6 seconds to get that done. With fast drying ink even sooner.

Assuming he wants to remain a Hawkeye, which I'm sure he does scholarship or not, I would suggest he takes a scholarship of a kid who isn't going anywhere else if he doesn't get a scholarship, like say uhh, umm, HEY maybe Frans kid could do without one and still want to go to Iowa............................................

That's the one I'd try for starters, but only because it makes perfect sense.

 

[RocknRollface]

You said no coach wouldn't make that decision, I showed you two that did. Those two coaches could have used their kids scholarships to get more players.

Also you said getting the best players he can is the point. But you also stated that the ship should be given to NB who is already on the team. Did Nicholas tell you he planned on leaving if not given a scholarship? Spill it...you must know something!

Problem with your argument is that it is falling apart and your approach is to treat a talented kid differently than others bc he is the coaches kid. I hope Fran doesn't plan on treating his boys that play for him differently than any of the others on the team.

The examples you gave have absolutely no similarity to what was suggested.

None.

You've completely failed to grasped the discussion.

I'm just going to say what everyone's thinking and be done with this.

You're just to stupid to get it.

 

[unIowa]

Yeah, but let's give RocknRollface some credit to, he's taking about a single hypothetical where a coach is looking at a choice between a five star talent or a scholarship for his own kid, who he could have walkon anyway.

You get both one way. The other you don't. I get the point. The thing is, I believe this is McCaffery's business and whatever and however it turns out it's up to him. I mean, obviously those of us with wives who can still have kids ought to be lining them up to be impregnated by McCaffery, or Devyn Marble, or whoever it takes, right? How dare we not.

It's the same thing, just because something is a good idea doesn't make it the right idea.

I wish that was the case Dan but until recently it was not for RocknRoll Face. Lets look at some of his first post in the thread on the manner: Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.

So, to me, it is clear that RnRface is really saying that NB is more deserving of this scholarship than Connor because Fran is the coach, he is rich, and Barta can just up his pay to cover the cost of his sons walking on (under the table of course). Or maybe he knows something that we don't, that NB plans on bolting if he doesn't get a scholarship from Fran when Connors comes available (even though he has redshirted would have to sit out a year, unless he wanted to go down a level, and would cut his playing seasons by 1 year)....just saying.

 

[unIowa]

There are several hundred DI Basketball Schools in America. Go find one with an open scholarship. Should take about 6 seconds to get that done. With fast drying ink even sooner.

Assuming he wants to remain a Hawkeye, which I'm sure he does scholarship or not, I would suggest he takes a scholarship of a kid who isn't going anywhere else if he doesn't get a scholarship, like say uhh, umm, HEY maybe Frans kid could do without one and still want to go to Iowa............................................

That's the one I'd try for starters, but only because it makes perfect sense.

Who's does he take next year?

You know what, I think I heard Brady's parents do alright, maybe Fran should yank his scholarship and give it to Baer. I'm sure this is going to be great for team chemistry.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Baer has stated his desire to be a Hawk in the past, scholarship or not. In all likelihood, he takes Jones' scholarship after he graduates.

I'm sure Nick is understanding of the situation

 

[sloehawk]

Who's does he take next year?

You know what, I think I heard Brady's parents do alright, maybe Fran should yank his scholarship and give it to Baer. I'm sure this is going to be great for team chemistry.

That sounds like as good of a place as any. Nice job.

 

[unIowa]

The examples you gave have absolutely no similarity to what was suggested.

None.

You've completely failed to grasped the discussion.

I'm just going to say what everyone's thinking and be done with this.

You're just to stupid to get it.

Sorry bub, I didn't put this gem out there, you did.

Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.

I've always maintained that this is a decision for Fran and Conner to make and no fan should think twice about their final decision. Or do you need me to draw it in crayon for you?

 

[DanL53]

I wish that was the case Dan but until recently it was not for RocknRoll Face. Lets look at some of his first post in the thread on the manner: Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.

So, to me, it is clear that RnRface is really saying that NB is more deserving of this scholarship than Connor because Fran is the coach, he is rich, and Barta can just up his pay to cover the cost of his sons walking on (under the table of course). Or maybe he knows something that we don't, that NB plans on bolting if he doesn't get a scholarship from Fran when Connors comes available (even though he has redshirted would have to sit out a year, unless he wanted to go down a level, and would cut his playing seasons by 1 year)....just saying.

Understood. Perhaps it's best to table the discussion as many different things can take place between now and November of 2016. (Signing period of concern).

 

[unIowa]

Baer has stated his desire to be a Hawk in the past, scholarship or not. In all likelihood, he takes Jones' scholarship after he graduates.

I'm sure Nick is understanding of the situation

Or if someone else transfers before then I am sure Fran rewards him earlier. I guess I need to apologize for being anti pulling scholarships for deserving kids (regardless of who's kids they are).

 

[starbrown]

You said no coach wouldn't make that decision, I showed you two that did. Those two coaches could have used their kids scholarships to get more players.

Also you said getting the best players he can is the point. But you also stated that the ship should be given to NB who is already on the team. Did Nicholas tell you he planned on leaving if not given a scholarship? Spill it...you must know something!

Problem with your argument is that it is falling apart and your approach is to treat a talented kid differently than others bc he is the coaches kid. I hope Fran doesn't plan on treating his boys that play for him differently than any of the others on the team.

Wonder if his child came to him and said, "Dad, I wanna walk-on and have you use that scholarship to gain a strategic advantage."

Do you think he wouldn't give his son a fair chance at starter's minutes because he was a walk-on?

 

[RocknRollface]

Sorry bub, I didn't put this gem out there, you did.

Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.

I've always maintained that this is a decision for Fran and Conner to make and no fan should think twice about their final decision. Or do you need me to draw it in crayon for you?

Yes that's my opinion. Again , what the hell is your point?

Nick Baer has given of himself to help this team and this season, which is likely to result in a nice raise for Fran, would not be as successful without him.

It's my opinion that reciprocation would be appropriate. But that's just my opinion.

Of course it's Fran's decision. Who's else could it possibly be? What are you even talking about?

 

[unIowa]

Wonder if his child came to him and said, "Dad, I wanna walk-on and have you use that scholarship to gain a strategic advantage."

Do you think he wouldn't give his son a fair chance at starter's minutes because he was a walk-on?

Nope but IF Connor said that is what he wanted and Fran agreed then it would make sense to do. That has been my point all along, it is their choice to make, not ours.

 

[buttermypancakes]

I wish that was the case Dan but until recently it was not for RocknRoll Face. Lets look at some of his first post in the thread on the manner: Just my opinion but it would look terrible if Fran elected to not give Baer a scholarship and instead give it to his son if infact the only difference is money out of his pocket.

So, to me, it is clear that RnRface is really saying that NB is more deserving of this scholarship than Connor because Fran is the coach, he is rich, and Barta can just up his pay to cover the cost of his sons walking on (under the table of course). Or maybe he knows something that we don't, that NB plans on bolting if he doesn't get a scholarship from Fran when Connors comes available (even though he has redshirted would have to sit out a year, unless he wanted to go down a level, and would cut his playing seasons by 1 year)....just saying.

Why can't you accept that the University can pay their basketball coach whatever they want and they don't have to justify it to the NCAA.

 

[unIowa]

Yes that's my opinion. Again , what the hell is your point?

Nick Baer has given of himself to help this team and this season, which is likely to result in a nice raise for Fran, would not be as successful without him.

It's my opinion that reciprocation would be appropriate. But that's just my opinion.

Of course it's Fran's decision. Who's else could it possibly be? What are you even talking about?

My opinion is that it wouldn't look "terrible" and having that sort of opinion is stupid and narrow minded.

Now who's scholarship should Fran take away next season to get NB one?

 

[unIowa]

Why can't you accept that the University can pay their basketball coach whatever they want and they don't have to justify it to the NCAA.

It becomes a slippery slope when you start going down that type of path.

 

[buttermypancakes]

It becomes a slippery slope when you start going down that type of path.

How so?

 

[mtown66]

And Cooks parents aren't millionaires that coach the team that could be reembersed by the school anyway.

It's apples to oranges.

Here is a good plan, Rockandrollface. You take some hard cash out of your pocket and pay a kid's tuition at Iowa for a few years. What you are suggesting, no what you are saying is that Fran should take some hard cash out of his pocket and pay for another family's kid's education when his own kid is completely deserving of that scholarship. And, for the school to reimburse Fran for his subtroverting the rules would be dishonest and not something that should be condoned.

 

[unIowa]

Here is a good plan, Rockandrollface. You take some hard cash out of your pocket and pay a kid's tuition at Iowa for a few years. What you are suggesting, no what you are saying is that Fran should take some hard cash out of his pocket and pay for another family's kid's education when his own kid is completely deserving of that scholarship. And, for the school to reimburse Fran for his subtroverting the rules would be dishonest and not something that should be condoned.

Exactly

 

[unIowa]

It becomes a slippery slope when you start going down that type of path.

How so?

Are you asking me how integrity works?

 

[buttermypancakes]

Are you asking me how integrity works?

So it's not a slippery slope, but you would just feel bad. It's well within the rules for Iowa to pay it's basketball coach money, so let's get every advantage we can.

 

[mtown66]

Give it up, you can't even stay on topic. It's not about being rich it's about the fact that the school can pay the scholarship through an increase in Fran's salary. It give Iowa the flexibility to get in late on some recruits or 5th year transfers.

You do realize that you are saying that the University of Iowa should openly circumvent the NCAA scholarship rules by illegally reimbursing Fran for his kid's tuition so he can use those scholarships for other kids. It is thinking like that that get schools put on probation and losing scholarships. I'll refrain from calling you what you are.

 

[buttermypancakes]

You do realize that you are saying that the University of Iowa should openly circumvent the NCAA scholarship rules by illegally reimbursing Fran for his kid's tuition so he can use those scholarships for other kids. It is thinking like that that get schools put on probation and losing scholarships. I'll refrain from calling you what you are.

Iowa doesn't have to justify Fran's salary. They can pay him whatever they feel he is worth. The NCAA could do nothing about it.

 

[mtown66]

Iowa doesn't have to justify Fran's salary. They can pay him whatever they feel he is worth. The NCAA could do nothing about it.

It is called integrity. You don't have any so you might need to look it up.

 

[RocknRollface]

Here is a good plan, Rockandrollface. You take some hard cash out of your pocket and pay a kid's tuition at Iowa for a few years. What you are suggesting, no what you are saying is that Fran should take some hard cash out of his pocket and pay for another family's kid's education when his own kid is completely deserving of that scholarship. And, for the school to reimburse Fran for his subtroverting the rules would be dishonest and not something that should be condoned.

It's either a violation or not.

It's not a violation to give your coach a raise.

Period.

 

[buttermypancakes]

It is called integrity. You don't have any so you might need to look it up.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...hton-all-american-grant-gibbs-case-sixth-year

According to this link the NCAA allows for tuition remission once a coach has been employed for 5 years. So isn't that more of a University policy?

I don't care either way, because we would still be within the rules but I don't want it weighing on your conscience.

 

[starbrown]

Nope but IF Connor said that is what he wanted and Fran agreed then it would make sense to do. That has been my point all along, it is their choice to make, not ours.

It appears you feel this discussion is a prelude to someone kidnapping Fran's family and forcing them at the point of a gun to make real a hypothetical.
Comprehension, make it your friend.

 

[unIowa]

It appears you feel this discussion is a prelude to someone kidnapping Fran's family and forcing them at the point of a gun to make real a hypothetical.
Comprehension, make it your friend.

Nope. Just that I know some posters here will be upset if Fran and family doesn't give Connors ship to another player (I have show those who have said as much in items I have quoted) and I think that is total and complete BS as should every fan of this team.

 

[Scott559]

How about we all just wait until the time comes and then we can have a major bitch fest about what is the correct decision ( I vote for what ever Fran feels is appropriate is good). We are having a helluva year, enjoy it.

 

[starbrown]

It is called integrity. You don't have any so you might need to look it up.

^^^^ Proof that psychotropic drugs don't work.

 

[DanL53]

^^^^ Proof that psychotropic drugs don't work.

If everyone posts like that what do you think will happen?

 

[RocknRollface]

How about we all just wait until the time comes and then we can have a major bitch fest about what is the correct decision ( I vote for what ever Fran feels is appropriate is good). We are having a helluva year, enjoy it.

When one person lacks the mental capacity to even grasp what's being talked about yet continues to interject , it doesn't matter what the topic is it's going to make for an ugly discussion.

 

[hansenhawk]

Hey, sorry to break up the infighting here, but does anyone know if we are on the kid from Cedar Falls at all?

He is a sophomore and I guess putting up crazy numbers, and is pretty legit.

Anyone have more info on him?

Thanks