2024 Recruiting. Orig Post Updated Oct 2nd. 36 Offers So Far (incl. Chris Tadjo & Cooper Koch). 2 Scholarships Available (NOT counting PMac & Tony)

[karnack1955]

Garza is a unique case because he remained loyal to Iowa after they were the first ones to discover him as a fat, unwanted underclassman. If he had been a trim, athletic underclassman with offers from Indiana and Louisville, I have no doubt the anti-Iowa perception common in the DMV would have kicked in.

Feel free to share your own experiences living out there. And what the average DMV teenager thinks about our state....

Dean these were Garza's offers
Alabama
Columbia
DePaul
George Washington
Georgetown
Georgia
Indiana shocker right there
James Madison
LaSalle
Lehigh
Louisville shocker right there
Loyola MD
Navy
Nebraska
ND
NW
Penn State
Pitt
Princeton
San Francisco
South Carolina
St Joes
UCF
Virginia Tech


so how much longer are you going to live on that hill which is fast melting away. can't move the goal post much further. the hill is getting smaller with every post that you make, even now you are shrinking the goal posts because Diggs is unranked.
ranked or unranked does not matter as he is still a DMV recruit. that is the whole point of this thread where you flat out stated that Fran will never get a recruit from.

 

[karnack1955]

to add to this Garza was listed at 6'10 230 lbs so he was not this fat unwanted player. far from it.

 

[dean_oliver222]

Dean these were Garza's offers
Alabama
Columbia
DePaul
George Washington
Georgetown
Georgia
Indiana shocker right there
James Madison
LaSalle
Lehigh
Louisville shocker right there
Loyola MD
Navy
Nebraska
ND
NW
Penn State
Pitt
Princeton
San Francisco
South Carolina
St Joes
UCF
Virginia Tech


so how much longer are you going to live on that hill which is fast melting away. can't move the goal post much further. the hill is getting smaller with every post that you make, even now you are shrinking the goal posts because Diggs is unranked.
ranked or unranked does not matter as he is still a DMV recruit. that is the whole point of this thread where you flat out stated that Fran will never get a recruit from.

If you're an unranked recruit from DMV and get a Big10 offer, you're gonna take it. The Iowa Stigma isn't relevant, as playing at the high major level is more relevant. Based on his Rivals page and nonexistent ESPN page, this Diggs character has minimal interest.

Garza received all those offers after his stock blew up. Iowa was the only high major there when he was a fat, unwanted goon of an underclasswoman. He stayed loyal to the first big program that cared about him, which is rare. Lotta dudes would've gone the Indiana etc route. That's why I've repeatedly said his case is unique. For him, the Iowa Stigma was outweighed by the boner he had for the first big program to care.

The Iowa Stigma is real out there. I lived it.

 

[icwesthawk]

I think the problem is with your statement.

I grew up in the DMV. Everyone there thinks Iowa is nothing but 18th century farm towns. PERIOD. No legitimate recruit from there will ever seriously consider UI

That clearly is putting everyone in the same box and that is almost always wrong. I lived in the Baltimore and Northern VA and clearly not everyone thinks the same way about Iowa and the midwest.

 

[dean_oliver222]

I think the problem is with your statement.


That clearly is putting everyone in the same box and that is almost always wrong. I lived in the Baltimore and Northern VA and clearly not everyone thinks the same way about Iowa and the midwest.

Did you live out there as a teenager? Or among mature, professional adults? Since the topic is dumbass teenagers who excel at basketball, I think that's relevant.

I actually grew up out there, largely around the basketball-type community. Yes man, they all think Iowa is 18th century farm country. So I eventually stopped telling anyone I was from here.

 

[HawkHoops80]

New offer

 

[HawkHoops80]

Some highlights.

 

[HawkHoops80]

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[karnack1955]

If you're an unranked recruit from DMV and get a Big10 offer, you're gonna take it. The Iowa Stigma isn't relevant, as playing at the high major level is more relevant. Based on his Rivals page and nonexistent ESPN page, this Diggs character has minimal interest.

Garza received all those offers after his stock blew up. Iowa was the only high major there when he was a fat, unwanted goon of an underclasswoman. He stayed loyal to the first big program that cared about him, which is rare. Lotta dudes would've gone the Indiana etc route. That's why I've repeatedly said his case is unique. For him, the Iowa Stigma was outweighed by the boner he had for the first big program to care.

The Iowa Stigma is real out there. I lived it.

I suppose you didn't think much of the Murray twins? there are more, but I am curious about those 2.

or how about Aaron White who was not recruited very hard that ended his 1st year as a FR AA.
why do you even follow the Hawks in the 1st place?
one last player
Dembele 4* out of NJ he only had 7 offers.

 

[littlez]

Am I the only one finding it funny that @karnack1955 and @dean_oliver222 are in a bit of a lovers quarrel?

 

[JBo4Three]

Dennis Marshall is a scumbag race card playing sociopath. Maybe research his background before annointing him as some sort of authority figure on anything.

As I've said time and again: recruiting comes with major opportunity costs; spend too much time in one area at the expense of another. Being too aggressive with longshot DMV kids inevitably takes away from recruiting energy more realistically spent elsewhere. Like Chicago.

I grew up in the DMV. Everyone there thinks Iowa is nothing but 18th century farm towns. PERIOD. No legitimate recruit from there will ever seriously consider UI (unless it's an outlier case like garza). That approach only results in a massive loss when resources would be better spent elsewhere.

Blah blah blah. Is that all you ever have to say?

 

[dean_oliver222]

Am I the only one finding it funny that @karnack1955 and @dean_oliver222 are in a bit of a lovers quarrel?

That was actually funny for once lol.

Politics always trumps basketball. Unless he starts spouting woke BS like you, I'll have his back all day long. Even if we have small disagreements about Iowa basketball recruiting strategy.

 

[dean_oliver222]

Blah blah blah. Is that all you ever have to say?

Then take a crack at refuting me, thus giving me a chance to actually respond. You're the one who said "blah blah blah" and essentially gave me nothing of substance to respond to. Dbag

 

[karnack1955]

Am I the only one finding it funny that @karnack1955 and @dean_oliver222 are in a bit of a lovers quarrel?

are you always this big of a asshole?

 

[Willin]

You think the time spent recruiting a kid is mostly about going to watch him play??

If that were the case, then your arguement would have some merit. You might be able to watch two kids play at one time, but not call two kids at one time. Time spent talking to a kid (or his coach) from the DMV is time not spent talking to a more realistic option from Chicago or somewhere else nearby. Hence, opportunity cost.

In my experience as a former head college coach, it means a lot to many recruits to see coaches watch them play in person. They told me so. And if I remember correctly, Fran watched most of Gesell's AAU games. Now, if a recruit tells you they're not interested in your school, move on. Otherwise, be there to watch as much as possible.

 

[Franisdaman]

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Interesting that there is no mention of the University of Minnesota.

Ben Johnson is entering his 3rd year at Minnesota. When he was hired, he said shutting down the borders was important. When is he finally gonna keep some of the TOP Minnesota raised talent home (this was a criticism of Little Rick Pitino, too)?

Maybe Grayson Grove (see below) is all that....

Minnesota's commits so far for the Class of 2024:

 

[dean_oliver222]

In my experience as a former head college coach, it means a lot to many recruits to see coaches watch them play in person. They told me so. And if I remember correctly, Fran watched most of Gesell's AAU games. Now, if a recruit tells you they're not interested in your school, move on. Otherwise, be there to watch as much as possible.

I don't disagree. Certainly watching a kid play in person is key. But it's not the be all, end all. Especially in terms of opportunity cost.

Interesting coaching resume. From the sounds of it, I bet there's a good chance you know my dad lol. Who was also a head coach in the Midwest for a while... before moving onto a D1 assistant job out East.

 

[dean_oliver222]

Interesting that there is no mention of the University of Minnesota.

Ben Johnson is entering his 3rd year at Minnesota. When he was hired, he said shutting down the borders was important. When is he finally gonna keep some of the TOP Minnesota raised talent home (this was a criticism of Little Rick Pitino, too)?

Maybe Grayson Grove (see below) is all that....

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Minnesota's commits so far for the Class of 2024:

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Shitty results aside, I've been impressed w Johnson's Xs and Os/enthusiasm on the bench. Esp in that special Fox game where the camera was on him the entire time.

But man, things are really trending DOWN up there for him. Not only w what you said, but also losing a longtime commitment from that 5-star center. As well as losing Battle to Ohio State... his seat is definitely getting warm.

 

[Franisdaman]

Shitty results aside, I've been impressed w Johnson's Xs and Os/enthusiasm on the bench. Esp in that special Fox game where the camera was on him the entire time.

But man, things are really trending DOWN up there for him. Not only w what you said, but also losing a longtime commitment from that 5-star center. As well as losing Battle to Ohio State... his seat is definitely getting warm.

And Wisconsin has nabbed 2 Minnesota kids so far for the Class of 2024.

Daniel Freitag is from Bloomington MN (a Minneapolis suburb).

 

[HawkHoops80]

And Wisconsin has nabbed 2 Minnesota kids so far for the Class of 2024.

Daniel Freitag is from Bloomington MN (a Minneapolis suburb).

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Not to mention the most important lost recruit to Wisconsin, Nolan Winter, who was a Minnesota legacy recruit. This would be like if Cooper Koch had committed to Iowa State instead.

 

[JBo4Three]

are you always this big of a asshole?

You’re just a broken record. That’s all.

 

[JBo4Three]

You’re just a broken record. That’s all.

Not meant for you Karnak

 

[Max_Rebo]

I don’t know why Fran continues to waste resources going after Minnesota kids. In his entire tenure at Iowa, he has landed a grand total of ZERO recruits from Minnesota. I spent a lot of time in Minnesota as a kid, and the people up there truly despise Iowa and everything about it. I don’t see us ever landing ANY recruits from Minnesota, especially any with other Power 5 offers. The opportunity cost we are wasting by continuing to recruit up there are costing us recruits elsewhere on a regular basis.

Also, we’ve only landed one kid from Wisconsin during Fran’s tenure (Brady Ellington, and he doesn’t count), so the same thing goes for Wisconsin.

Am I doing this right?

 

[karnack1955]

you can't catch a fish if you don't drop a line into the water.

 

[dean_oliver222]

I don’t know why Fran continues to waste resources going after Minnesota kids. In his entire tenure at Iowa, he has landed a grand total of ZERO recruits from Minnesota. I spent a lot of time in Minnesota as a kid, and the people up there truly despise Iowa and everything about it. I don’t see us ever landing ANY recruits from Minnesota, especially any with other Power 5 offers. The opportunity cost we are wasting by continuing to recruit up there are costing us recruits elsewhere on a regular basis.

Also, we’ve only landed one kid from Wisconsin during Fran’s tenure (Brady Ellington, and he doesn’t count), so the same thing goes for Wisconsin.

Am I doing this right?

No. You suck quite extraordinarily at parody, actually.

You didn't grow up in Minnesota, so can't accurately say what it's like. Also, landing a kid from a fairly short drive away is much more realistic than someone 2,000 f'ing miles away.

Bo Ryan built one of the top programs in the country by targeting Minnesota players (Jared Bergrenn, Mike Bruesewitz, Jon Leuer, Jordan Taylor, Kam Taylor). Gard has continued that success recently (Davison, Wahl, Reuvers).

Please tell me which Midwest region program has established a similar recruiting pipeline 2,000 miles away. I'll wait.

Maybe choosing Minnesota for your cutesy little parody wasn't the best idea. Dbag.

 

[HawkHoops80]

It's almost as if the DMV is a talent flooded area for basketball... Whodathunk?

 

[dean_oliver222]

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It's almost as if the DMV is a talent flooded area for basketball... Whodathunk?

Carmelo, Gary Neal, Josh Boone. 3 future NBA players in Baltimore alone during my high school years. Yes, we're well aware the DMV has basketball talent. Showtime even made a whole documentary about it recently.

And I guarantee not a single one of the players on those teams has even heard of the state of Iowa.

 

[HawkHoops80]

Carmelo, Gary Neal, Josh Boone. 3 future NBA players in Baltimore alone during my high school years. Yes, we're well aware the DMV has basketball talent. Showtime even made a whole documentary about it recently.

And I guarantee not a single one of the players on those teams has even heard of the state of Iowa.

Serious question, but you really don't think kids who play at Marist have heard of the state of Iowa? Or kids who grew up watching Maryland play in the Big Ten?

I think we all get your point (even though I disagree), but don't you think you're a tad over-exaggerating here?

 

[karnack1955]

Carmelo, Gary Neal, Josh Boone. 3 future NBA players in Baltimore alone during my high school years. Yes, we're well aware the DMV has basketball talent. Showtime even made a whole documentary about it recently.

And I guarantee not a single one of the players on those teams has even heard of the state of Iowa.

I will take that bet. after Garza IA is well known in the DC, Boston. NY, and the surrounding area's has become very aware of who IA is and where IA is located.

the FB team and the women's team just solidified that with all the media coverage about IA everybody knows about IA. Fran is expending the recruiting foot print for IA BB. ESPECIALLY on the East Coast.

you go where the talent is,

they just got two from Illinois in the 23 class as well as one from NJ. add in the IA MR, BB. Fran has signed his best class to date.
Illinois MR BB and the POY in PG Harding

IA has also played in Madison Square Gardens they have had plenty of exposure on the East Coast.

 

[dean_oliver222]

Serious question, but you really don't think kids who play at Marist have heard of the state of Iowa? Or kids who grew up watching Maryland play in the Big Ten?

I think we all get your point (even though I disagree), but don't you think you're a tad over-exaggerating here?

I could admit to some personal bias or blind spots. Sounds soft, but I really did have a tough transition moving from Iowa to Baltimore in 9th grade. Even though it was oftentimes somewhat good-natured, there was definitely a lot of bullying. To the point that for years I just quit saying I even came from Iowa lol.

That said, there is definitely much validity to it. These ****ers acted like I came from another planet. Many constantly got it mixed up with Idaho. And many today (i.e. parents of these recruits) likely still see Maryland as an ACC school.

I think the best analogy I can think of is with baseball. Fran is going for a Home Run out east. Certainty, he got one with Garza. But from my perspective, it would just be more prudent/sound recruiting strategy to go for Singles and Doubles around here. Then shoot for the Home Run in Chicago. As opposed to spending time/energy on so many long shot East Coast dudes.

 

[karnack1955]

the HR recruits in Chicago go to Duke. then to Kentucky, MSU, Michigan after they pick over Chicago the rest go Illinois and then maybe IA. so the pickings get rather thin. Fran has already secured 5-7 players from the East Coast.

there is no reason to stop now.

 

[HawkHoops80]

I could admit to some personal bias or blind spots. Sounds soft, but I really did have a tough transition moving from Iowa to Baltimore in 9th grade. Even though it was oftentimes somewhat good-natured, there was definitely a lot of bullying. To the point that for years I just quit saying I even came from Iowa lol.

That said, there is definitely much validity to it. These ****ers acted like I came from another planet. Many constantly got it mixed up with Idaho. And many today (i.e. parents of these recruits) likely still see Maryland as an ACC school.

I think the best analogy I can think of is with baseball. Fran is going for a Home Run out east. Certainty, he got one with Garza. But from my perspective, it would just be more prudent/sound recruiting strategy to go for Singles and Doubles around here. Then shoot for the Home Run in Chicago. As opposed to spending time/energy on so many long shot East Coast dudes.

Look, bullying sucks and I'm genuinely sorry that happened to you. That's really sh*tty.

I'll add this and then I think we can move on--while Iowa has certainly offered a lot of highly ranked guys in 2025 from that area, we still do not know how high on the board they are to Iowa and how much effort they have spent on recruiting them at this point. I'll admit a lot of the higher ranked guys are probably long shots (as any highly ranked guy, regardless of where they are from, would be. That's recruiting). But again, the main DMV target for this class is Caden Diggs, who we have established is unranked by some recruiting services, ranked in the 100-120 range by others and is taking a serious look at Iowa after already taking his sole official visit to them. Iowa watched 100% of his games these past 4 days. Iowa clearly wants him badly. So Fran isn't just going for the home runs in this area. He's also going for the singles and doubles too.
I'll also add that a lot of these other DMV offers came immediately following the June live periods where guys play with their high schools in local events. Fran and staff were already going to be in the DMV recruiting for Diggs since he's their top 2024 target at the moment and so it makes sense to scout other players out there during those trips (going back to your opportunity cost point).

 

[dean_oliver222]

Look, bullying sucks and I'm genuinely sorry that happened to you. That's really sh*tty.

I'll add this and then I think we can move on--while Iowa has certainly offered a lot of highly ranked guys in 2025 from that area, we still do not know how high on the board they are to Iowa and how much effort they have spent on recruiting them at this point. I'll admit a lot of the higher ranked guys are probably long shots (as any highly ranked guy, regardless of where they are from, would be. That's recruiting). But again, the main DMV target for this class is Caden Diggs, who we have established is unranked by some recruiting services, ranked in the 100-120 range by others and is taking a serious look at Iowa after already taking his sole official visit to them. Iowa watched 100% of his games these past 4 days. Iowa clearly wants him badly. So Fran isn't just going for the home runs in this area. He's also going for the singles and doubles too.
I'll also add that a lot of these other DMV offers came immediately following the June live periods where guys play with their high schools in local events. Fran and staff were already going to be in the DMV recruiting for Diggs since he's their top 2024 target at the moment and so it makes sense to scout other players out there during those trips (going back to your opportunity cost point).

Very well said man... My main reason for even getting involved in this thread to start was to address the people who were getting super excited over this recent DMV activity. Mostly was just saying to temper their expectations a tad.

As long as Fran and his staff are approaching things the way you outlined, I'd be totally on board w that.

 

[seer_hawk]

I could admit to some personal bias or blind spots. Sounds soft, but I really did have a tough transition moving from Iowa to Baltimore in 9th grade. Even though it was oftentimes somewhat good-natured, there was definitely a lot of bullying. To the point that for years I just quit saying I even came from Iowa lol.

That said, there is definitely much validity to it. These ****ers acted like I came from another planet. Many constantly got it mixed up with Idaho. And many today (i.e. parents of these recruits) likely still see Maryland as an ACC school.

I think the best analogy I can think of is with baseball. Fran is going for a Home Run out east. Certainty, he got one with Garza. But from my perspective, it would just be more prudent/sound recruiting strategy to go for Singles and Doubles around here. Then shoot for the Home Run in Chicago. As opposed to spending time/energy on so many long shot East Coast dudes.

Fran doesn't like Chicago, because most of the top players come with handlers. Long before NIL they were looking for handouts for the player and themselves, and I think you had to pay just for the opportunity to recruit these players. Fran did try to recruit a couple of prospects, but it was too muddy for his liking.

 

[JBo4Three]

You’re just a broken record. That’s all.

Carmelo, Gary Neal, Josh Boone. 3 future NBA players in Baltimore alone during my high school years. Yes, we're well aware the DMV has basketball talent. Showtime even made a whole documentary about it recently.

And I guarantee not a single one of the players on those teams has even heard of the state of Iowa.

Is there an echo in here???

 

[icwesthawk]

Fran doesn't like Chicago, because most of the top players come with handlers. Long before NIL they were looking for handouts for the player and themselves, and I think you had to pay just for the opportunity to recruit these players. Fran did try to recruit a couple of prospects, but it was too muddy for his liking.

Baltimore is that much different?

 

[dean_oliver222]

Baltimore is that much different?

Great point...

I coached Josh Selby his freshman year in high school. Was even responsible for driving him to school everyday lol. He then went on to become the #1 ranked Rivals recruit in 2010 (ahead of dudes like Kyrie and Harrison Barnes).

One need just Google his name and see the insane bullshit his handlers were demanding back in the day. Got him suspended from Kansas for like 15 games.

 

[seer_hawk]

Baltimore is that much different?

I'm sure other area's have middle men with some control, but not to the same extent or Fran wouldn't put effort in recruiting the DC area.

 

[Franisdaman]

Not to mention the most important lost recruit to Wisconsin, Nolan Winter, who was a Minnesota legacy recruit. This would be like if Cooper Koch had committed to Iowa State instead.

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And every time Wisconsin visits the Barn, it's a gut punch to Gopher fans seeing these Minnesota products playing for their hated rival.

Imagine if these kids stayed home and played for the Gophers.

There have been so many talented, highly rated Minneapolis/St Paul high school players over the years but the vast majority have left the state.

 

[karnack1955]

the same can be said about IA
Barnes left for UNC
Paige for UNC
Uthoff for Wisconsin although he did come home.

Fran has changed that. for the better. now we will see if their new coach can do the same for Minnesota. it is a matter of time and success.