And again I'll ask: Why did they need a key? Eye witness account from a 10 year old in the classroom says the gunman shot out a WINDOW in the classroom door when he initially entered.
If there's a window, you don't need a key...
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If there's a window, you don't need a key...
Somebody was scared.
how were 911 callers information not being relayed to the officers in that hallway?
will there be accountability? Will he be chief tomorrow? Will future training change?
19 officers in That hallway. Someone should have taken charge and changed the response effort.
A knife would have killed the same number of kids just as fast if not faster.
In an interview this am the chief said they didn't go in because they didn't want to get shot. Is that not scared?
First thing on Governor Abbott 's agenda should be moving the age restriction on that type of gun back to 21.
I thought my sarcasm was thick enough. 🤷♂️
And I either didn’t hear it correctly, or, there is still a timeline issue. I heard12:21, news is saying 12:51
that would mean 78minutes elapsed from entry, to death of shooter. Either way, decision to not go in was wrong
that would mean 78minutes elapsed from entry, to death of shooter. Either way, decision to not go in was wrong
thought texans were all billy badasses? guess not
Now we are seeing why they had been vague. Cops fudged up.
Were the police in the hallway aware of the 911 calls from kids still alive on the other side of the wall?
If not, why not? If yes, then they should not have waited that long.
I've been seeing from the LEO experts. That taking out the threat is priority 1. Worry about injured and dead later.
According to at least one child, the police told them to call for help if they were still in the room and when one girl did, she was shot and killed. I can't even imagine - if true - how unbelievably stupid you have to be to tell a child locked in a room with a deranged killer to call for help.
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Thought no more were alive?! How could they possibly make that determination! Maybe they needed medical assistance. Get in there and neutralize the threat! Goodness, I thought they learned this lesson at Columbine….these were kids…police knock down doors all the time….this news about makes you sick
OK, but please tell me that the presence of "still alive, but in grave danger" people changes that dynamic.
He had 11 Magazines inside the school, which accounts for the 350 rounds. The rest of the mags were in the vehicle or dropped at the door entering the building…..just clarifying!
can you imagine that if, at 12:15, dispatchers knew from a call from a child in the classroom that there were still 8-9 kids alive in room 112, that they still waited?!? What if all those kids would have been killed? Unreal.
It doesn't according to SOP. Eliminate threat saves the most lives possible. It's a horrible situation, but that has been deemed as the best response.
I guess i need to layer the sarcasm thicker next time.
The Full Metal Jacket line about people from Texas comes to mind.
Ok, but why then wait so long to eliminate the threat? If they knew that there were still people alive and in great danger...that has to change something, doesn't it?
Protocol, priority, etc, something.
The fact I didn't pick up on it is as much of an indictment of the arguments I see here from nutjobs as it is my sarcasm detector.
I think you might be misreading the post. He saying the same thing you are unless I'm missing something.
That's the million dollar question. To me it's looking as if they were more worried about their safety than taking out the shooter as quickly as possible.
I sure might be, i have read and responded to a lot of things. Apologies if i am confusing something.
I'll repeat what someone else already said...this investigation of the timeline/response needs to be handled by another agency, not the Uvalde department. FBI or something like that.
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Unless ALL the kids in the school are dead there was a threat. Were they going to wait for the shooter to kill them all before going in?
There are going to be some big-time lawsuits if the findings show the cops failed to perform their duties out of cowardice.
There are going to be some big-time lawsuits if the findings show the cops failed to perform their duties out of cowardice.
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the more I hear about this….coupled with the fact that it was supposedly border patrol that took him out makes me wonder just how incompetent local police were….and then the feds showed up and were like, “what are you doing?!”
They just published the 911 calls from the kids. That’s a tough read.
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At this point they are lawyering up. Everything that comes from the local LEO at this time I'd view though that lense.
Speculation your honor. I've seen enough. Any reasoning they give. I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt.
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