Oh, it's SOOOO bad. My SIL just got back from East Texas visiting her and my wife's dad. She's now convinced beyond any reason that the Democrats manipulated Hurricane Helene and are now refusing aid to Republicans.
A question for all of our military veteran friends out there.
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What hoaxes and disinformation are you talking about? Trump avoided the draft with a phony medical deferment while many others like me got drafted and served. And you can't understand why so many vets resent this guy? Wake up!
1) Don't necessarily care about this
2) Yes, it bothers me, he's a complete POS for saying anything like that
I'll also add his treatment of John McCain after he passed away to the list and the despicable things he said about him and being a POW. That always bothered me.
His statements around congressional medal of honor being equal or better to presidential freedom was disgraceful. Especially when you cheapen the presidential freedom medal by giving it a complete d-bag like Rush Limbaugh.
Overall he's a complete a-hole towards veterans and our service members. It's mind boggling that any of them continue to support him but while supporting republican administrations when I served, and understanding the culture of the services, it's not that surprising they vote red, just surprising they don't see the complete and total POS he is.
2. that's a lie, he was talking about American buried at Arlington Cemetery to John Kelly who had lost a son in service and not sure but may have been buried there.
Here's a business opportunity. Maybe we can get one of Kamala's $50K startup grants to get it up and running.Oh, it's SOOOO bad. My SIL just got back from East Texas visiting her and my wife's dad. She's now convinced beyond any reason that the Democrats manipulated Hurricane Helene and are now refusing aid to Republicans.
The idea is to deprogram MAGAs.
Maybe get some of the jailed January 6th nutjobs to experiment on, as proof of concept.
Once we've refined it enough to minimize unnecessary deaths, we can try it on your SIL.
I picture it being in great demand and sweeping the nation. So we should probably plan to franchise it.
De-MAGAfication
Then your SIL and family are too looney far gone to rescue. Cut them loose.Oh, it's SOOOO bad. My SIL just got back from East Texas visiting her and my wife's dad. She's now convinced beyond any reason that the Democrats manipulated Hurricane Helene and are now refusing aid to Republicans.
Hard to have any respect for the veterans who continue to propagate the “stolen valor” claims out of political expediency.
draft dodger or conscienscious (Spelling?) objector? you decide.
Vietnam War opposition and draft controversy
During the Vietnam War, Clinton received educational draft deferments while he was in England in 1968 and 1969.[30] While at Oxford, he participated in Vietnam War protests and organized a Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam event in October 1969.[5] He was planning to attend law school in the U.S. and knew he might lose his deferment. Clinton tried unsuccessfully to obtain positions in the National Guard and the Air Force officer candidate school, and he then made arrangements to join the Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) program at the University of Arkansas.[31][32]He subsequently decided not to join the ROTC, saying in a letter to the officer in charge of the program that he opposed the war, but did not think it was honorable to use ROTC, National Guard, or Reserve service to avoid serving in Vietnam. He further stated that because he opposed the war, he would not volunteer to serve in uniform, but would subject himself to the draft, and would serve if selected only as a way "to maintain my political viability within the system".[33] Clinton registered for the draft and received a high number (311), meaning that those whose birthdays had been drawn as numbers 1 to 310 would be drafted before him, making it unlikely he would be called up. (In fact, the highest number drafted was 195.)[34]
Colonel Eugene Holmes, the Army officer who had been involved with Clinton's ROTC application, suspected that Clinton attempted to manipulate the situation to avoid the draft and avoid serving in uniform. He issued a notarized statement during the 1992 presidential campaign:
I was informed by the draft board that it was of interest to Senator Fulbright's office that Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar, should be admitted to the ROTC program ... I believe that he purposely deceived me, using the possibility of joining the ROTC as a ploy to work with the draft board to delay his induction and get a new draft classification.[35]
During the 1992 campaign, it was revealed that Clinton's uncle had attempted to secure him a position in the Navy Reserve, which would have prevented him from being deployed to Vietnam. This effort was unsuccessful and Clinton said in 1992 that he had been unaware of it until then.[36] Although legal, Clinton's actions with respect to the draft and deciding whether to serve in the military were criticized during his first presidential campaign by conservatives and some Vietnam veterans, some of whom charged that he had used Fulbright's influence to avoid military service.[37][38] Clinton's 1992 campaign manager, James Carville, successfully argued that Clinton's letter in which he declined to join the ROTC should be made public, insisting that voters, many of whom had also opposed the Vietnam War, would understand and appreciate his position.[39]
John Kelly's son was also killed in combat so imagine how he felt about Trump's insult.
It is NOT unbelievable, in fact it is very on brand for him to be beyond dismissive of people who sacrifice themselves for something and someone else. Trump has no concept of we > me nor what true sacrifice and selflessness is. Ultimately, it simply confirms what most of us think about him and his opinion of others, not worth wasting the time. It is pretty pathetic he thinks it, esp as the CIC, but IMO you have to take his opinion for what it is, the childlike lashing out and rantings of a very small man.
I simply think it isn't a top 5 item on reasons why he is unqualified to be President.
EDIT - BUT, I do find it very sad and puzzling how folks who have sacrificed and risked, would be able to vote for such a small, weak person to be the leader of the country. He is a paper tiger and one would think most vets would see him for the weakling he is <when they compare what we know about him to some of the good leaders they have worked for in the military>.
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Thinking the OP was talking about a different Trump statement is not a lie. I already admitted that.
As a veteran? No, it doesn’t.
This country has never taken care of its veterans the way it should. That bothers me more than a dumbass comment from someone who doesn’t have a clue. I’ve heard and seen plenty of negativity towards veterans and I don’t let it get to me, including on this board. They are just as clueless as Trump.
Yep let's hear these "baseless" items... I'm pretty ****ing confident I can confirm the talking points on the left. I also am pretty ****ing confident any in the right won't be able to be confirmed. It's almost like *gasp!* both sides isn't a thing!
I’m a Gen X Veteran. Trump is the epitome of the type of “leader” I will never respect. In my opinion, anybody who holds up Putin, or Kim Jong Un, as role models is not qualified to be our Commander in Chief. A leader of the greatest nation on earth would not continually denigrate and disparage the country in which they want to lead. Trump is not a leader by any definition of the word.
This, this, this. Should be pinned at the top of the board. Just admit it Trump voters, you’re just not very good people at your core and hiding behind jeebus is pathetic and lame. We all see you for what you are, just admit it.
This, this, this. Should be pinned at the top of the board. Just admit it Trump voters, you’re just not very good people at your core and hiding behind jeebus is pathetic and lame. We all see you for what you are, just admit it.
I think this is part of what makes me so sad for the country. Im not surprised, but it still saddens me that we have more people who are less than they think they are. Folks that hide under the cloak of religion and yet are clearly hypocrites. IMO, they make up a LARGE portion of the trump fan base. No issue with folks that live as they preach, even if I don't agree, but the fakes drive me crazy.
As a Veteran, anybody who keeps us out of wars is the right person. Their military background has no bearing. I'm tired of us giving money to countries to only have to go get good young people killed later in order to stop a country who we funded.
We need to stay in our own lane. Keep the money here.
I think ideally most everybody prefers we keep money and men at home. Are you okay with those who openly shirk their military duty with made up excuses? Are you supportive of those who disparage our military veterans in word and action? Because that's what Bonespurs has done.
I'd have more respect for them if they'd be honest and say "I like him because he let's me be proud of being racist, xenophobic and misogynistic towards everyone that isn't a white male who votes for the sexiest, manliest man in history...I do love my man so, in a very closeted gay way"
*yes, I fully understand that most of MAGA doesn't have the faintest idea what xenophobic or misogynistic mean
What your asking is, do I like Trump. All I can say is this... during his 4 years, we didn't have wars and he tried to stop the money to countries who should be getting money. I don't support him, but I can't support continual wars.
In Peril by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, it’s reported that some military and government leaders were concerned about potential instability in the final weeks of Trump's administration. According to the book, General Mark Milley and other top officials took steps they believed necessary to ensure that military decisions, especially those involving the use of force or nuclear weapons, followed established protocols and involved senior officials.
Milley reportedly reassured counterparts and made efforts to ensure that any military action would go through a clear, authorized process. This was mostly about maintaining control over military decision-making to prevent unintended escalation. Milley and others involved described these actions as efforts to uphold stability and national security, particularly amid heightened concerns over potential conflict.
I was drafted in 68,wounded 3 times,Even without that F-trump!
That remains to be seen. So far, Trump has enjoyed a long life of swindling and abusing people, sewing strife and demagoguery and turning people against one another, without ever facing any consequence or hardship.
I do remember Rush Limbaugh saying one time that he actually preferred it when the Democratic candidate was in office. It was better for his show. Because it's better to be on the attack than on the defensive. And for Rush it was more about what was good for him. So if Bonespurs were to win, I'd have 4 years of comical humor watching his dumpster fire administration number two try to do anything. He is one of the worst managers I've ever seen, and although it would be bad for america, I would at least get to see him screw up and mumble and bumble as his dementia gets worse and it's even more apparent to everyone what a clown and fake he is. You think he was a laughing stock in his first administration? Number two would be downright comedy.
Harris would be a laughing stock actually. She is the emptiest suit to ever run for President. The world would love her as she offers zero leadership and even less deterent strength and resolve. She'd sell us out at every opportunity.
So it doesn’t bother you if someone says stupid things. As in, you don’t see a correlation between a person’s tendency to say stupid things and the chance that they are just stupid. Sounds like you’re stupid. Or just dpwillong to put up with stupidity so long as they are a vile, vulgar person who will pursue bigoted, disgusting agenda. You miserable loser.
He isn’t popular in spite of how disgusting he is, he is popular because of it. The true nature of our populace has been exposed and it’s heartbreaking.
Bonespurs has already shown us he's a huge laughing stock as president. Other world leaders literally laughed at him on the stage. And talk about selling us out. Putin's love buddy. Try again next time.
What are you even talking about?
Listen, I know you have a son in the military and that gives you some sense of entitlement to speak on any thread directed towards veterans. I’m here to tell you that it doesn’t and you shouldn’t.
I know, he tried very hard but just couldn't figure out how to load the shotgun. Given the stolen valor reveals I agree that this fumbling couldn't be any more sad and telling. Glad we could see eye to eye for a change.
